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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 09:03 PM by pstrron

ATTENTION PEOPLE...the No-Knock warrant policy is legal. The U.S. Constitution was suspended in 1933 and has not, I repeat, has not been reinstated either by the President or Congress. So quit talking about something you don't have until you get it back.

If you think they are going to reinstate it of their own free will then your a naive as they come. The US is nothing more than a police state run by fascists. Will the American people do anything about it...nope, you wont do a thing but turn on the stupid idiot box and watch American Idol or some other equally stupid program.

When will America wake up, maybe after they lock you up in concentration camps, start the gas chambers, get you to dig your own grave then shoot you or some other control tactic. Of course by then it is toooooo late.

Our forefathers fought and died for less to gain their freedom from oppression but then again they didn't have American Idol either.

It is better to die a freeman than to live as a slave!

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 09:05 PM by ANTHONY33

reply to post by downtown436

What about a Browning historical-uniforms.com...

or this www.wallpaperbase.com...

Or stick em with this www.vallejogallery.com...

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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 09:23 PM by ChadAndrewATS

reply to post by ANTHONY33

Thanks for reminding me of William Wallace & his cry for freedom. I appreciate your support. And I'll take both of those pills you offered to me... I missed breakfast this morning.

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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 09:52 PM by ChadAndrewATS

Originally posted by the wanna-be pirate
ATTENTION PEOPLE...I like making fun of Americans so my buddies and I can have a great big laugh, and mess with people, who don't share our lopsided opinions. The U.S. Constitution sucks. Hell, I don't even care what's been written on it. I've never read a damn thing longer than 4 pages, without passing out or taking a break to watch cartoons. I just hate reading anything about U.S. History. I like to lie about it though because.., (chuckles) well- ya know... just to make people laugh. Check me out, buddies, I'm ignorant & hateful!

reply to post by pstrron

Honest police officers, corrupted-ones, and even fiat-government officials like George W. Bush, and his buck-tooth lying secretary, Condoleeza Rice have sworn (in public) to serve this nation according to the U.S. Constitution. Stop trying to change U.S. History. The U.S. Constitution hasn't been abolished by any American officials.

www.usconstitution.com

The enduring principles enshrined in our Constitution made it possible for impatient patriots -- like Frederick Douglass, and Abraham Lincoln, and Martin Luther King -- to move us ever closer to our founding ideals. And so it is only natural that through the decades America would associate itself with those around the world who also strive to secure freedom for themselves and for their children.

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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 09:56 PM by khunmoon

Isn't the cops in the US compensating their victims for their wrong doings?

I mean where I come from, victims get compensation for being wrongly targeted by police. It goes by automatic internal procedurs, you don't even have sue them.

Police in my country sometimes do get sued by the DA. It's when they have used their guns in situation unnecessary. The only valid reasons for a police officer to draw weapon is selfdefence or to prevent murder.

Even in those cases if the reason was unfounded, victims get compensation.

These descriptions of US law&order reminds me more and more of repressive third world countries.

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 09:58 PM by MBF

We are no longer innocent until proven guilty...they consider us guilty period. It is the same if you deal with the law or the government.

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 10:25 PM by jackinthebox

reply to post by ArMaP

I hope people do not start shooting cops in their homes, the police is only acting according to the law, they were not the ones that made that law.

The Nazis tried using that excuse at Nuremburg.

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 10:37 PM by jackinthebox

reply to post by Roper

Bad idea! There are still good police officers out there. I know some and I know some who are too enthusiastic in their work.

I really don't give a flying turd anymore. I have family that are law-enforcement. I have contracted in uniform service and have worked closely with law-enforcement in various capacities. No more excuses.

If there are any good cops left out there reading this, turn in your shield. If you truly believe in right and wrong, it's time to realize what side you are actually working for. If you just want to help people, go be a fireman.

My mercy anymore.

I was pretty much fed up when I got tased ten times and kicked in the head on my own front porch, for telling two locals that I wasn't afraid of them. The Sean Bell aquittal was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I'm done. # the police!

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 10:48 PM by jackinthebox

reply to post by Res Ipsa

Can't afford an attorney??? Bullsheet. try the 5th amendment on that one.

If you own your own home, or work a fairly descent job, you will not qualify for a public defender. (As if you would really want one anyway when facing a serious charge.)

So in other words, unless you are living in poverty, you will have to pay for an attorney that will put you in poverty by the time the case is done. And if you get lucky, you might actually get aquitted, even though you weren't guilty of anything but forgetting to set you pig trap at the front door before you went to sleep.

Why do you think they need to mirandize you?

They no longer have to do that. I have never Mirandized anyone during an arrest, and I have never been Mirandized. Once as a juvenile I had to initial a sheet that had my rights printed on it, after they had already taken my statement.

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 10:53 PM by johnsky

There is a lesson to learn from this.

If they come to your door, wanting to pin you with a charge you are innocent of, they will still pin you with it regardless of your actions.

No matter what you do, you're being brought down.

So, with that being said... if you want to bring a few of the unwarranted intruders down along the way, or if you want to go peacefully... it doesn't matter either way.

I suppose thats your last freedom. The choice to be taken down peacefully, or to take them down with you.

It's kind of disturbing that the government isn't thinking of the dangerous predicament they have placed both the law enforcers and the citizens in.

If I were an officer, I'd hand in my badge if ordered to invade a home without warrant.
There are plenty of jobs out there an ex cop can do.
At least that way, you can retain some form of dignity.

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 10:53 PM by jackinthebox

reply to post by GradyPhilpott

What is obvious in these posts is that we have among us those who hate America and everything about it and every instance of injustice or police error is cause to incite revolution and this is what I object to.

You had better not be referring to me. My family has been here since before this country was a country, and have shed blood in every single war fought by this country.

My objection to fascism has everything to do with my love of and devotion to the ideals which were meant to be the bedrock of this nation, and my loyalty to the true patriots who cherish them.

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 11:10 PM by jackinthebox

reply to post by GradyPhilpott

Those who call for killing police and revolution, instead of working within the system are anti-American.

The system is broken, time for a new one. Our forefathers would agree, and would lay down their lives to right the wrongs that we have too long endured.

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 11:41 PM by jackinthebox

reply to post by khunmoon

Isn't the cops in the US compensating their victims for their wrong doings?

The answer is no. You would have to sue, and there is little chance of being successful. An three unarmed men were shot, one was killed, in a hail of bullets in NYC. The police who fired the fifty rounds were acquitted of any criminal wrongdoing.

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 11:46 PM by jackinthebox

reply to post by MBF

We are no longer innocent until proven guilty...they consider us guilty period. It is the same if you deal with the law or the government.

You ARE guilty. The only question is, what are you guilty of? Do you know every single law? Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Looking at someone wrong can be deemed a criminal threat, and punishable by law.

I was hoping to attract some more attention to this thread, posing the question...

What freedom do you have that can not be infringed or taken away arbitrarily?

...which ties right in with this. The truth is that no one is innocent. There are enough laws that you can be arrested anywhere, anytime an officer of the law feels like it, and you will most likely be convicted.

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 11:53 PM by MBF

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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Those who call for killing police and revolution, instead of working within the system are anti-American.

I was in a situation with the government where it was claimed that I had not repaid a loan. I had repaid it early and overpaid it by about $7500 and they wanted to foreclose on me. I was always told your only option is to request this hearing or that hearing and it was always there people that were making the decisions, NOT somebody impartial.

At the last hearing, my lawyer told me that he had pulled the record of one of the hearing officers that he had went against and the man had had the job for about 10 years and had ruled against the government only one time. You can't make me believe that everybody that officer ruled on for ten years, except one, was wrong.

Long story short. The S.O.B. that caused the problem is a known cocaine dealer and was caught and was using my money to pay a guy to take the rap so he wouldn't lose his govt job. He has caused me to lose just about everything that I have worked for my entire life. I am in a financial situation that I can never recover from.

I had him investigated by the office of inspector general(Atlanta and Washington). The swore that he had never been involved in drugs in any way. I mailed them a newspaper article where he had been arrested for a cocaine trafficking from an ongoing investigation and told them that I didn't they wanted to find anything against him. He still has his job.

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 12:04 AM by MBF

Originally posted by jackinthebox
There are enough laws that you can be arrested anywhere, anytime an officer of the law feels like it, and you will most likely be convicted.

Or, they can make up the law as they go. Most cops don't know enough about the law to know if you are breaking it or not. If they haul you in, it has messed up your day and they can brag that I made X number of arrests today.

I made three trips to our sheriff's office to have an incident report made about a nurse stealing about $75,000 from an old man that I looked after for a while. One of the cops told me that he had been a cop for 11 years and didn't know how to write it up. If I got one wrote up, I'll kiss your rear end.

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 12:12 AM by jackinthebox

reply to post by MBF

Or, they can make up the law as they go.

They don't have to make it up. They have twenty-four hours to talk to their bosses and even hit the law books to find something to charge you with, after you have been arrested.

Most cops don't know enough about the law to know if you are breaking it or not.

Makes no difference, they are immune from prosecution. Here is a local sotry for me. The local DA admitted flat out that they would not prosecute this cop for beating someone up in a bar, while they were drunk and off duty. The victim tried to hire their own lawyer to prosecute the case, and the judge ruled that such action was illegal...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Then of course we have the murder of Sean Bell.

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 12:21 AM by daddyroo45

reply to post by pstrron

If the constitution was suspended in 1933,I would like to see the paperwork.All the wrangling over constitutionality of laws has been a farce? Swearing to uphold and defend something that doesn't exist?

I sure would like a couple of sources

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 12:31 AM by jackinthebox

reply to post by daddyroo45

If the constitution was suspended in 1933,I would like to see the paperwork.All the wrangling over constitutionality of laws has been a farce? Swearing to uphold and defend something that doesn't exist?

It exists, it's just been suspended, or "superseded" if you prefer.

Here is some introductory reading...

A Bigger Picture (Rise of the NWO)

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reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 12:54 AM by daddyroo45

reply to post by jackinthebox

If all you say is true,then why do they dance around the issue?Why don't they just cut to the chase and do whatever they are planning to do?
I mean they do have us over the barrel don't they?Why not just come out and say to us,we own you,we own your land,we own your children,you have nothing we don't give you?
They hold all the cards right? What could they possibly be scared of?Any organization bold enough to take out a sitting president would'nt give us peons a second thought would they?

My point is if they have all these things in place to controll this country why wait?

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