Originally posted by jackinthebox
Justice is dead.

I don't know about there, but in NY you can drop out of school at sixteen. At that age you can also emancipate yourself, and be tried as an adult for crimes.

This is a clear miscarriage of justice that the systems feeds on. The judge is hoping that this guy will lose his job, rob a bank, and become yet another sacrifice to the beast.

Exactly Props to you my friend.
They are all corrupt.

He was being made an example of so his peers would step back in line.

I have been there long ago. I used to sell cars and was the guy the dealership had on TV representing the dealership. I got caught going really fast on a motorcycle and got pinned with fleeing and eluding that was a 2 year prison sentence with a felony.

The prosecutor told my lawyer that too many people were running from the cops so me being high profile in the community they said I as going to be "there poster boy" to make the guys on fast bikes think twice about fleeing.

I bet the same thing is happening to this guy. I had to fire my lawyer, re-mortgage my home and buy the best lawyer in the mid-west.

They played ball quite nicely then, and my lawyer sucked my bank account clean.

Its all about "sending a message". He has been tagged as being "it".




[edit on 11-5-2008 by LoneGunMan]

Last I looked a high school deploma was not a requirement for citizenship.
Not even the required minimum education. Eighth grade is the minimum.

My father did not have one, and he was a superintendant in a large American city. Most people who were of WWII vintage to my understanding did not have one.

Failure to have one was not a crime.

Ignorance was not punishable.

The parent was the guardian of the child.

America was not a dictatorship.

The thing that irks me about this particular case is that the father is being held to a much higher standard than the norm. How many parents face 6 months of jail time if their child fails to obtain a GED? I would dare say VERY few. I take issue with our judicial system when it applies selective enforcment upon citizens.

Why should this particular father spend six months of his life in jail (which could cost him his job and his home, and in general completely derail his life) when there are thousands upon thousands of parents out there with children who have not and will never obtain a GED?

I would compare this to a situation where 99% of jaywalking violators recieve a ticket, but that last 1% recieves jail time (not a perfect analogy, but do you see the inequity here)?

Originally posted by groingrinder
Stop blaming teachers for the failure of education. The parents are the ones who need to shoulder the blame. Teachers cannot in the little time they have with children make up for all the bad parenting they get the rest of the time.

And yet teachers and school administrators wield vast amounts of political powers and enjoy large government funding.

Public teachers whine about large class sizes and longer school days. Then they turn around and whine about not being payed enough. Look around. How come a nun in some private school living on squat can teach seemingly a lot better than an overpriced teacher with nary a complaint? How come home schooled kids learn better on average than public educated kids? Why do you think parents that can afford to shell out the cash for private school do so?

Of course parents are responsible for the upbringing of kids but more and more the government is trying to interfere with that responsibility. If a government forces a parent to send their kids to a crappy school, whose fault is that?

I am going to keep blaming teachers and I say they should be jailed and fined alongside neglectful parents.

BTW, who spends more time with kids these days again? It seems that parents are working longer hours just to make it. A child spends a substantial amount of time with the person who gets paid with my tax dollars to teach. It seems that (public) teachers are more concerned about their own interests than with the students.

Originally posted by SystemiK
Why should this particular father spend six months of his life in jail (which could cost him his job and his home, and in general completely derail his life) when there are thousands upon thousands of parents out there with children who have not and will never obtain a GED?

He probably did something to cross the judge. Maybe he gave the judge attitude and the judge decided to fix it by making him spend some nights with Big Mama?

Maybe he was witnessed to be at the bar all the time?

There could be any number of reasons.

I bet the its because the guy was white. (By the way, is he white?)

This is either going to have to end one of two ways.

1. The father is hereby not accountable for his daughters actions, and that sets the precedent that no parent is accountable for a child's actions, and children are ALL to be tried as adults in order to retain disciplinary measures.

or

2. The parents ability to use physical force against their children is restored in order to form a disciplinary chain of command within the family, in which the parents can be held accountable for failures to maintain strict control over the children.


Neither of these options is very enjoyable.

There's a reason no other judge has treaded on these issues... because it's a Pandora's box of legal precedences that no-body wanted to open.

Good job Mr. Retard Judge.

Everyone in that state should see to it that the judge is removed from his position, effective immediately.


And you're right... the daughter can't be sent to jail for not obtaining her GED, so how does it make sense that the father gets imprisoned for a non-crime.
Nobody has broken the law here...
If you want to pin the blame on anyone... there has likely been some gross incompetence in the school faculty.
Most children won't just give up, unless their educational environment has led them to believe they should.


[EDIT]
One quick question...

When did the free world decide acting like communist china was a good idea?

There are similar issues in China at the moment. Parents are subject to imprisonment for their children's actions, or failures.

[edit on 11-5-2008 by johnsky]

Wooh, if something like this could happen in my country my Parents would be absolutely lumbered. I don't even have my 15/16yo (Year 11) qualifications let alone my 18yo (Year 13) ones.

My folks would probably get extra time inside just because I missed 3 months of Year 9 due to lack of placements after a house move and the inability to find a house visiting teacher capable of keeping tabs on me long enough to stop me heading out of the house to collect mineral (Usually items left behind from old transport networks (quite a few samples of Quartz and Anthracite) samples and Geographical note taking when I knew Math was going to be taught.

[edit on 12-5-2008 by Marshall Ormus]

The parents should do what my parents did: made me get a summer job @ 15 working on a farm slinging hay bales for $5 an hour under the table. Nothing like 12 hour days of back breaking labor in a 110 degree barn to get you to appreciate the need to graduate HS and go to college.

Of course, I guess those are jobs that no Americans want to do anymore....

As for the guy being jailed, my gut tells me that isn't right, but I have a feeling there's more to the story, otherwise the guy should be able to just appeal and get the ruling overturned since its patently absurd. Another judge should be able to easily see that.

I wonder if there is more to this story. Is this all about her being a truant? The judge claimed the father was contributing to the deliquency of a minor so I suspect she may have done more than just skipped school, and the records are now sealed.

She had a presumably illigimate child, and she is now 19 without a GED. Who is paying for her kid? Is it her parents? Or is she on welfare? I for one do NOT want to support her and her illigimate offspring with my tax dollars.

Plenty of parents are raising thugs that get arrested several times before they are 18, and I think the Judges SHOULD hold the parents responsible for their wilding youth. The parents choose to have these kids, and if they can’t bother to raise them right, if they are busy breeding offspring that will be worthless at best or criminal at worst, they should be held accountable.

Look up the name Marvin Bryer, and you will see what motivates judges. He spent a great deal of money assisting his daughter against CPS, and then found out that much of the revenue from tickets and donations goes to a judges association slush fund which is tax exempt.