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Man Jailed After Daughter Fails To Get GED

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posted on May, 11 2008 @ 05:25 AM
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It is stories like these that tell me it is time to take it to the streets and defend our liberties with GUNS!

Kill all the politicians in Washington and start anew. Its time for a REVOLUTION!



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posted on May, 11 2008 @ 05:44 AM
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Local story for me, I'm in Northern Kentucky and this is the first I've ever heard about it.

I don't blame the girl for not wanting to go to school though. A lot of schools around here don't care much about teaching students. Look around for stories about teachers in the Greater Cincinnati Area. Not a whole lot of good ones IMHO. Not saying that all teachers are bad. I had a few that I thought were great and they still have my respect to this day.

The middle school in my city has a former cop for the assistant principal and the guy is a jerk. He once called one of my nieces a "female dog". He said the actual word, but I'm not sure if I can use it here and I don't want to get a warning. He called her a "Little 'Witch'" because she came in 15 minutes late. My mom had custody of my sisters kids for a little while and he would refer to my nephews as "Freaking Orphans". Replace the word "Freaking" with that other F-word. There's a lot of parents that have made complaints and it's done no good so far. There's also a group of parents suing the high school in my city because of bullying that comes from the teachers. It won't do any good.



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 07:23 AM
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The fact that she didn't go to school or didn't want to is not the issue here. The issue here is the judge has no right do to what he did. No law was broken. Plain and simple.

Judges nowadays seem to get off on their ego trips thinking they are the law instead of actually following the law itself.

[edit on 5-11-2008 by CPYKOmega]



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 09:58 AM
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If you have not read the book "Unintended Consequenses" by John Ross you might want to get a copy at:


It might be a good idea to send a copy to your local officials. I guarantee that it WILL put the fear of the people back into they're simple minds. Its also one hell of a story!

Lone



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posted on May, 11 2008 @ 10:16 AM
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I don't agree with the jail sentence BUT I do agree a parent/parents ARE somewhat responsible for making sure THEIR kids get their diploma or GED. If they KNOW their daughter is struggling with math and you CAN help her learn and do better...then HELP HER! If you can't then call the school and get her help.

Now if she is just that unmotivated and has the attitude of "I don't need school" I can see the Judges tactic to MAYBE get her to go and pass the dang test so she atleast has a shot at making it in the world. Lets face it, she obviously isn't to concerned with the idea of NO GED = NO JOBS....and if I had to guess...my guess is the taxpayers will be paying for her lazy behind for many years to come when she files for welfare or SSI, or some other assistance because she wasn't in the mood to work on her math to pass a GED test.....hence MAYBE another reason the judge did this....

Again, the jail sentence is over the top, but I bet the article is leaving out, and we do not see the blatent lack of motivation from this girl to NOT want to succeed or pass anything, hence why I will have to lean towards the idea she wants to become another government assistance recipient.



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 10:54 AM
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This is ridiculous

Why can the state tell anyone what to do with their children?



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Annie Mossity
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What?


A Fairfield man is in jail because his daughter hasn't gotten her General Equivalency Diploma (GED).

A judge ordered the father to stay on top of his daughter's education months ago and when that order wasn't followed, Brian Gegner was sentenced to 180-days in the Butler County jail.


... pretty much says all that need be.

Her being an "adult" Now makes no matter for her being a "youth" Then.

No fault on the judge in my opinion, as she was Not an "adult" at the time the order was put in place. Non-Issue, if you will.

 


So then the judge can punish the man? Ok, let's say his daughter is just too stupid to pass a GED(which you can drool on and pass by the way) he is punished because she is a moron? doen't make any sense



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by wutone
Why don't judges ever give court orders to government organizations with vast budgets that are in charge to educate children?

If a father gets jailed for his daughters failure, why isn't their some sort of punishment for the Los Angeles Unified School District for for its massive failures?

There are many failed teachers in public education that continue eating our tax dollars. This judge is basically a representation of the outright hypocrisy of our government. Then again, maybe we all are actually stupid for putting up with this.



Parents are supposed to PARENT THEIR OWN CHILDREN. IT IS NOT UP TO THE REST OF THE VILLAGE TO PARENT YOUR IGNORANT CHILDREN FOR YOU DESPITE WHAT HILLARY CLINTON SAYS!! Part of parenting is taking an interest in your children's schooling. Fathering a child means more than just being a sperm donor. If people cannot understand that, then I applaud the Courts for making that apparent to them. Too bad more ignorant parents will not wake up and pay attention to this.

When ignorant people come into the welfare office to apply for aid, they should hand them a box of condoms.

I am tired of lazy parents who just want quick sexual gratification, then they want the rest of us to parent their bad seeds for them while they go out and get loaded or gamble at the casino.

I say let all the marijuana smokers out of jail to make room for all the bad parents and illegal aliens.

Stop blaming teachers for the failure of education. The parents are the ones who need to shoulder the blame. Teachers cannot in the little time they have with children make up for all the bad parenting they get the rest of the time.

Males should face mandatory vasectomies when they have fathered a welfare baby. That will help with the problem immensely.



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 11:29 AM
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So laziness is now a crime, that someone else can be punished for?


So this is how freedom dies...



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by ZindoDoone
If you have not read the book "Unintended Consequenses" by John Ross you might want to get a copy at:


It might be a good idea to send a copy to your local officials. I guarantee that it WILL put the fear of the people back into they're simple minds. Its also one hell of a story!

Lone


IT'S FICTION. NOBODY WILL PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. I will not read it because it is fiction. I only read non-fiction. Anybody can make up stories in their heads. It happens on ATS all the time.



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by jackinthebox
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So laziness is now a crime, that someone else can be punished for?


So this is how freedom dies...


I am all for throwing bad parents into jail. Give them a wake up call. I am sure that greater society pays hundreds of millions of dollars for welfare, police, social workers, parole officers, prison guards and others to take care of the bad seeds produced by these idiots. Somebody should have given this guy a wake up call ten years ago. I feel no sorry or sympathy when parents do a bad job. If you cannot parent your offspring, then do not have any. Why should my tax dollars go to pay for your mistakes?

I am fifty four years old and I have fathered no children because I know how to keep my dick in my pants. I know it can be done.

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posted on May, 11 2008 @ 11:45 AM
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you can't force someone to be smarter.
this is beyond evil.
this guy should sue the government.



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 12:46 PM
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I am fifty four years old and I have fathered no children because I know how to keep my dick in my pants.


Don't be a jerkoff all your life. If you're going to preach abstinence, I suggest you see how well that has worked out for the Catholic priests. If you don't crap when you have to, it pollutes the body and you can die. If you don't screw, it pollutes the mind to the point of extreme deviant outbursts of sexuality. Sex is a normal and necessary organic function that is built in to our bodies. There is no changing that fact.



I am all for throwing bad parents into jail. Give them a wake up call. I am sure that greater society pays hundreds of millions of dollars for welfare, police, social workers, parole officers, prison guards and others to take care of the bad seeds produced by these idiots.


And throwing someone in jail saves tax dollars how?






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posted on May, 11 2008 @ 01:11 PM
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This is ludacris! Speaking from someone who didn't get her HSED and is now 26... a lot of times parents can't help it. My dad tried his best with me, but I was going through a lot of crap in school, was really suicidal and the last things on our minds was if I was going to pass my Math test.

I don't think the parent should be blamed/punished for a teenagers wrongdoings. Heck, not getting your GED/HSED is stupid yes, but not wrong. Some kids just can't handle school... I got bored of learning the same stuff to tell you the truth.



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by jackinthebox

So laziness is now a crime, that someone else can be punished for?


So this is how freedom dies...


No, as i stated jack i am not for the jailing of the father...BUT that someone else WILL BE punished in the form of THE PEOPLE..(tax payers) when her lazy behind files for welfare or other handouts because she can't get a job...then I have to work to support her because her DAD didn't force her to work at passing the exam, and because she was to lazy too....



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 01:52 PM
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This seems completely over the top! I am a homeschoolder and studying for the GED... It isn't against the law to not get, or pass the GED. You can't even get the GED 'til you're 19 (in my state anyways). The jude must have had it in for this guy...



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by FoxyMulder
It isn't against the law to not get, or pass the GED.


Agreed...all I'm saying is if you DO NOT get it, you should not be allowed to file for welfare or other government assistance....Why should I and others be forced to support (aka..WORK) somone who doesn't want to take the time to better themselves? If you choose to say the heck with school and drop out...then decide you don't even want to work to get your GED....then in my mind you choose to be on your own completly...NOT come looking for handouts later.

Sorry, I am not trying to derail this thread...but I personally think this is one of the judges motivations.



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 02:44 PM
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You must have missed something in the article, as it was the girl's mother that had custody of the daughter when she messed up in school and became pregnant.

When the judge placed the order to the father (according to the article, months ago) she was already an adult at age 18, as well as the fact that she was an emancipated minor being that she already had her own child. A man can not be held accountable for the actions of his adult child and the way in which he was held accountable was outrageous.

I don't see you saying that the mother should be held accountable, being that it was her that is ultimately responsible. She's the one that had custody for the daughter at least up to the age of 16, so who's holding her accountable for her daughters actions?

You also don't know what the father's situation was. Where i'm at they make it almost impossible for a man to be a father if he's not with the mother. Maybe he wasn't a bad father, maybe he wasn't allowed to be a good one.

Since you seem to be worried that the girl will end up on welfare, just how is it that you think the judge is going to help prevent this with his ruling? He locked the man up for six months, now he will probably lose a job that he's had for 15 years, so the girl probably will have to go on welfare now since her father is not able to support her for at least the next six months. And if he comes out in six months and no longer has a job, he may have to go on welfare, then you have not just the girl on welfare but a whole family. So you tell me how this judge has prevented, or helped anything? He has probably in all likelyhood made matters worse.








posted on May, 11 2008 @ 02:49 PM
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I don't understand why the parents get punished for out of control teens, you cannot physically control a 16 year old.. if they really don't want to go to school you really can't make them.
You could always give them over to state care, but would that really make the situation any better? I don't think so..


If anything, I think the kid should be punished, not the parents



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posted on May, 11 2008 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by ZindoDoone

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Sight unseen, but fixed the link for you.

EDIT: (Er, that's about Concealed Carry handguns. Interesting, but hardly the answer)

To make a link, click the world globe in the toolbar.
Type in the name of the site, here "Unintended Consequences".
Tap enter, or click.
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Sounds to me like the guy didn't get a good lawyer. Though it might have been 'quasi-legal' for the judge to jail him, in that in his first visit to the court the judge gave him an order, a good lawyer would probably have been able to prevent that. (just a guess, here)



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