great stuff Neon haze

Its so funny now to see the de-bunkers attempts to
make us all look like idiots.

totally transparent .

you say a proven fact........ and they say its a proven lie..

I`ve been watching this game being played over and over again
as i read through threads.

you know..... mabey its time to just ignore them.
I`m not sure.

its been shown and proven in so many ways from so many
different angles.

its plain and simple to see now, how we the people are being manipulated and lied to.
the evidence is overwhelming. totally overwhelming

what? do they think we are little children who will believe anything they tell us......HECK NO

anyone dumb enough to belive and support the "OFFICIAL" story,
is from now on, in my book,is a PAID GOVERNMENT SHILL
or a complete moron.

shame on you all who would support this game of death.

vid 8 through 15 says sorry video is not longer available.

Good thread, Starred and flagged.....

There is so much relevant information that you posted in the first thread. It would be wise to view them all and absorb, then decide for yourself.

As you will get to know.... there are 2 or 3 "Debunkers" who hate in their words, "toofers" and conspiracy sites and make sure that no rational discussion can take place. They will nit pic your post while trying to glorify their ego by quoting then debunking. They claim authority when they have none.

Think of them as those little children in the school yard that were so presistant in believing Santa was real that they thought you were crazy for thinking(KNOWING) that he was not.

(note: to debunkers - Santa in the above paragraph is the santa represented in western culture. Fat,redsuit, sleigh, Rudolph.)
thought i throw that in there before they find links to the real Santa Klaus.... oh brother..)

It would seem that some of these debunkers problem solving abilities are grosly inadequate. Their imagination is lacking and their thinking becomes the collective stupidity you hear on FOX or MSM. If Fox says it real... its real....to these people.

Keep up the good work. Remember... Hundreds of years ago people belive the world was flat and that any other theory or belief that proved the earth was ' roundish' was usually met with burning of the stake, institutionalized, or just called plain stupid (toofers)or whatever they would do to people who were more intelligent and knowledgable then the Main conciousness of the populous.

As you can see that mabey most debunkers are decendants of Flat Earthers.... its in their DNA... like heart problems or birth defects.

[edit on 11-5-2008 by IvanZana]

yeah I agree that we need to wake more people up. I myself was awoken about 2 years ago when I watched the first Loose Change....I was shocked and skeptic at first, but upon doing my own research I realized how deep the rabbit hole went. most people are not going to be able to watch something like that and really take it in, so I usually start off small with 9-11 Press for Truth.....once their interest is peaked....it goes from there.

Eventually something will happen and the truth will be exposed to the mainstream.

In 2006, I had reached the conclusion that 9/11 was a preventable occurrence. Moreover, it has lead me into investigating many of the issues for which I had small amounts of doubt, including the paranormal, ufos, religion, conspiracies in general, money, banking, and media.


It's a mess. A big mess. There are more lies out there than truth.


Unfortunately for most people, this requires a big shakeup of the framework of the belief systems they've held for their entire lives.


For some, this is too much to ask. They can't accept what they might find, so they don't investigate. It's like finding out your husband has been raping your daughter. You don't want to know.


This nation is a victim of political incest. And I feel so, so dirty and ashamed...


But there is no recovery from this without facing the truth, and doing what is necessary to rectify it. Something that can give us all peace is the fact that a victim of a crime is not guilty.


You are only guilty when you know the crime, but do nothing to expose it or prevent another one like it from happening.


If America is what it claims to be, then the people of this nation will rise to this challenge. We wait to see...

Hi Neon,

Thanks for putting all this information on 911 ... I will try to find the time to review it ... As a suggestion, if this evidence you give here is total proof of 911 being an inside job, shouldn't you be getting this packaged up and sent to an independent legal resource who can then contact an independent media resource that can then make this a public release. Although putting this information on ATS is good for the ATS public, it doesn't help with the education of those who need this kind of information the most. This would be one of the biggest legal challenges/media stories of all time. I am sure, if the evidence you offer here is as conclusive as you say, that it would be just a matter of time until you find the legal/media partnership that will be needed for the successful release of this information. I wish you good luck and good hunting with this!

I have some questions on your theory:

"I believe that the US Elections of 2008 will be cancelled... there will be no 2008 Olympics and war with Iran will become reality, Bush will become Dictator Bush...

Who (and that's not meant to be a pun) is going to call off the Olympics??

What about China?? I think they have a very vested interest in the Olympics going ahead.

Are you suggesting that Bush, the Neo Cons or America could have the power to stop the Olympics going ahead??

China will never let the Olympics be stopped.

America's power on the world stage waning very quickly. In fact, the current administration are a laughing stock on certain world issues, the green back is loosing value and a major recession looms.

At that leads me to Iran.

If the U.S. started a war in Iran, it would be the end of America as a dominant force for several decades ... like the fall of communism in Russia .. Russia is only now starting to return as a force to be reckoned with.

The U.S. are fighting a loosing war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Iran would be a major conflict.

The U.S. simply does not have the resources to do it. It would quickly become a war on two fronts. European and Pacific allies would pull out of the coalition and the Islamic world would rally against the U.S. .... It would be a financial, political and social disaster from the start.

It could possibly go Nuclear, but this would only lead to the U.S. being isolated and having embargoes placed on it from the rest of the world, plunging the U.S. into Chaos.

I think this obsession that NWO theorists have with the Neo Cons and Bush has to be put to bed. They just don't have the power they thought the would have or like to pretend they had.

[edit on 13/5/08 by Horza]

Originally posted by Horza
shouldn't you be getting this packaged up and sent to an independent legal resource who can then contact an independent media resource that can then make this a public release?? I wish you good luck and good hunting with this!

You are 100% correct and something I am currently looking in to... however because of the nature of the material I feel I have to tread very carefully. If I became thorn... I do have a family to think about...

But I'm thinking of ways to actually break into the media in other ways. We need to create circumstance that makes people listen to the information rather than just the sheeple thinking 'Ohhh not those conspiracy theorists again!?'

This material is not Unique to me and anyone who does enough searching around can place their hands on this information.

What I have done is researched for 6 long years and is now compiling the evidence.

My purpose to post on here was to a) gage reaction and b) see if there were any flaws in my arguments.

So far I have found no flaws in my 9/11 evidence.

I have some questions on your theory:

Sure go ahead..

"I believe that the US Elections of 2008 will be cancelled... there will be no 2008 Olympics and war with Iran will become reality, Bush will become Dictator Bush...

Who (and that's not meant to be a pun) is going to call off the Olympics??

What about China?? I think they have a very vested interest in the Olympics going ahead.

Are you suggesting that Bush, the Neo Cons or America could have the power to stop the Olympics going ahead??

China will never let the Olympics be stopped.

I'm glad you asked that because the answer is far simpler than it would appear.

The Elite that control the direction the world stage moves in is far larger than the US or even the US and Europe.

The Elite are in key positions all over the globe in every powerful nation. They consist of high ranking govt official, banking institutes, royal families, religious institutes etc etc...

They are only few but they are all guiding the events that play out as if by chance but in reality everything that happens in the world today is planned and orcastrated

An example would be the recent Chinese Earth Quake I believe it was man made... I don't have any direct proof but it fits so well into place with the overall scheme that it would be very unlikely that it was a natural occurrence.

Why I hear you ask??

Because the Few that are in control need to stay in control and so to do that they need to act like the illusionist with sleight of hand and miss-direction.

So to come back to your question...

Who will cancel the Olympics?? It won't be any one party in the eyes of the public it will be a unanimous decision... why??

Because either A) World war will have started...a Nuke or two Israel/Iran/Syria or B) a gianormous Earth Quake will strike if not china directly but on her shores creating the world’s worst humanitarian so called natural disaster..

The elite play the world stage like it was a game of chess.

America's power on the world stage waning very quickly. In fact, the current administration are a laughing stock on certain world issues, the green back is losing value and a major recession looms.

Again these events are orcastrated.. They are just part of a plan. The weakening of the US and the Dollar has been designed and planned so as to be able to bring into play the need for a North American Union… just like the European Union… America Canada and Mexico… one borderless zone…

The Dollar will cease to exist and will be replaced with a single currency the Amero, just like the Euro replaced so many currencies in Europe…

At that leads me to Iran.

If the U.S. started a war in Iran, it would be the end of America as a dominant force for several decades ... like the fall of communism in Russia .. Russia is only now starting to return as a force to be reckoned with.

It is precisely that which is planned. The Elite don’t care about you or me or the people.

They covert what we have and aim to take all that is freedom away. They will erode everyone’s abilities to be free. The first step is bring the country to its knees economically, and then start to destroy the people directly so they have no choice but to rely on the elite.

A War is perfect way to do this.

It’s all about power…

The U.S. are fighting a loosing war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Idea of these wars was not Oil as so many people believe. If it were then I’m certain the price of a barrel of oil would have at the very least remained stable due to the sudden massive amounts of extra oil gained after Iraq was captured etc…

These wars were designed to be a never ending continuous load on the current economies so as to bring them to their knees. It was the only way to do it in a way that was not immediately obvious to the sheeple what was happening.

Iran would be a major conflict.
The U.S. simply does not have the resources to do it. It would quickly become a war on two fronts. European and Pacific allies would pull out of the coalition and the Islamic world would rally against the U.S. .... It would be a financial, political and social disaster from the start.

I totally agree and it won’t be the U.S. that starts the proceedings. It will be either Hezbollah or Isreal… Then America… Then Russia then Europe… ….A World War…

It could possibly go Nuclear, but this would only lead to the U.S. being isolated and having embargoes placed on it from the rest of the world, plunging the U.S. into Chaos.

It is guaranteed to go nuclear this time I’m afraid… there is no stopping it. Too many arms available to too many desperate people. One thing is for sure it won’t be the U.S. that uses the first ones.

Plunging not just the U.S. into chaos but the world…

I think this obsession that NWO theorists have with the Neo Cons and Bush has to be put to bed. They just don't have the power they thought the would have or like to pretend they had.

I wish you were right… But from my research of what the future may hold for us coupled with past and current events, I know I am not wrong on this.

I haven’t started to stock pile as some have because I think that what will be more important to our survival is not how much food you have but how much knowledge of survival and how flexible with survival you are willing to be…

I know how to build bows and arrows and trust me it’s going to get that medievall…

I wish you all the best

Power to the People!!!

NeoN HaZe


[edit on 14-5-2008 by Neon Haze]

Originally posted by Neon Haze
I find your post interesting because you have totally polarised my thread. You see the exact opposite of the truth I’m afraid.

If should have been the exact opposite. I posted facts.

Yes, it really does... Watch the movies I will add more.

Really it does not. I watched a good amount of them.

2. All At Freefall Speed
I'll come back to this in a mo...

No need to come back. I showed you two videos that prove that debirs hit the ground prior to the building collapsing.etc. Did you watch them?

Sounds of Explosion from the basement before the planes hit? Visual expulsions and explosions all around the trade centre buildings prior to a collapse??

Before the plane hit? How would someone know in the basement when the plane hit?

Funny how the exact same type of explosive means are used in accurate demolition isn't it??? Coincidence?? I don't think so....

Um, when a demolition company brings down a structure, they set off explosives an HOUR prior? That interesting.

Sounded like a bomb to me....

Sounds like demolition to me...

Bolded by me...SOUNDS.

a. Are you trying to say that the pentagon has no surveillance or cctv?? What about the surrounding buildings that had their tapes confiscated???

How about the cctv footage taken from the pentagon... Where is the plane??? Re-Watch Part four...

First of all. That fish eye lensed camera is not conclusive on either end of the argument. I didn't say there were no surveillance cameras. I said how many would be pointing into the sky?

Tell me... what do YOU think hit the Pentagon?

9. Mysterious Power-Downs in the World Trade Center

There are many reports that this actually took place. you only have to Google world Trade power downs to be met by plenty of Documents on this.

There are many reports stating the same b.s. the alleged power down was in only one building (not any others) the alleged power down was only for 36 hours and only on a few floor. NONE of this has been verified.

Firstly I am a Physicist.. PHD Quantum Physicist here... I until last year worked for a prestigious University in London....

I will call your bluff. Do you have some sort of credentials you can forward the mods here so that we can have proof. I am in the middle of a debate on another thread with a "member of the NSA." Sorry, you just don't seem like a "quantum physicist" to me.


I will address the rest of your post in a few minutes. Not enough space here.

Oh... keep in mind, high fives do NOT replace facts.




[edit on 14-5-2008 by ThroatYogurt]

Hey, Neon....Mr. 'Physicist'...

I've seen this concept of 'Free Fall' speed re: the WTC Towers bandied about os many times, but no one ever explains what that is supposed to mean.

For instance, if you skydive, you will 'free fall' before opening your parachute. All objects within the Earths gravitational field will accelerate at 9.8M/sec/sec (but, of course, you know this scientific fact already).

In a vacuum, an object will continue to accelerate at that rate until stopped when hitting the surface. Of course, earth has this thing called the atmosphere..."air" for the non-scientists. So, a falling skydiver will reach a 'terminal velocity' of about 120 MPH / 140 KPH....depending on surface area, i.e., 'spread eagle' or head/feet first.

I'm sure most of us have seen videos of controlled demos....Las Vagas is always blowing up buildings!! Darned if they don't all fall differently than the WTC. Controlled demo requires sequential charges, the idea is to minimize the final 'footprint' of the debris by 'imploding'. BUT....nothing that tall has ever been taken down, on purpose....and in a city environment, it would have been the height (no pun) of foolishness to attempt it....the risk of toppling over would have been too great. Of course, that's EXACTLY what the terrorists were hoping to accomplish, though. Toppling the Towers. Fortunately, that strategy failed.

Instead, a significant section of the building was severely weakened....and when the huge amount of mass above could no longer be supported, then GRAVITY took over!!! It's a cascade effect, and each successive amount of weight above continued to cause failures below. Not that hard to understand/comprehend, really....

Irony is, the terrorists mistakenly believed that hitting up high would cause a 'domino effect'....good thing they didn't realize that hitting lower would have been far more devastating...the collapses would have been sooner, the lower floors could not have been evacuated, and the Towers would likely have fallen over.....with a far greater loss of life.

WW