SHAME ON YOU AMERICANS.....you are sick of all kinds of racism.

So what if Obama is a MUSLIM...... it is ok for you if your president is a Jew but a disater if he is a Muslim??!!!


Americans are naive....you believe pro-zionist mainstream media, that makes you believe zionist and neo-cons lies about Muslims and Arabs, which makes you announce in public that you don't want a muslim president...tell me why?? will any American dare to say that he does not want a jewish president...try it and we will see what will happen to you ...I will remind you of Mel Gibson, Marlon Brando, Arsenio Hall...etc , anti- semitism victims.

So, brave Americans ....you remind me of hypocricy, racism,double standards, prejudice, bigotry, and all kind of Shi***** that you accuse others of doing them.

I was ashamed when I watched Mccain, Clinton and Obama, licking Jewish lobby's as****** and threatning Iran of annihilation , just to win the elections by collecting the precious jewish votes.

I think great American leaders are extincted for ever , we need a great president like Izenhauer who defied Jews in all over the world and forced them to pull back together with France and Britain when the three of them attacked Egypt....I can't remember the year.

(Please excuse my spelling).

For God's sake...be real brave Americans once again and deal with the world with out using double standards and prejudice, and once in your life try to say no to Israel and the Jewish Lobby in America. Arabs are the ones who are helping America by pumping trillions of thier money to your economy, for nothing. On the contrary to Israel who recieves billions of American taxpayers money as grants to kill thousands of Palestinians in Ghaza and Lebanese in Bierout.

Originally posted by Cyberbian
This thread amazes me. What influential black man in America would not have associations with all sorts of Interesting and eccentric people.

So by virtue of that all black men must be extremist nutcases, and no black man can be trusted. But you are not a bigot! No you are not being an extremist yourself.

Let me start off by going on record as not liking ANY of the three candidates we currently have. I don't 'hate' Senator Obama, though. 'Hate' implies some sort of personal dislike, and I don't know him well enough for that. Now, let's rumble.

I don't have a problem with Senator Obama 'have(ing) associations with all sorts of interesting and eccentric people', and I don't necessarily think that having such associations makes him an 'extremist nutcase'. I *do* have a problem with a man (or woman) who seeks the highest office in the land failing to distance himself from the likes of an unrepentant member of the Weather Underground. I also have trouble believing that anyone could attend a church for around 20 years, and not have some idea of the political leanings of his pastor. Either Senator Obama is absolutely clueless (in which case, I'd question his ability to conduct meaningful policy discussions), or he thinks I'm so naive that I'll believe that, in two decades, he never heard any of those...shall we say...provocative statements, and never bothered to look into Black Liberation Theology (in which case, he's insulting my intelligence). Does having problems like those make me racist? Before you answer, think about how many people here (and elsewhere) are willing to condemn President Bush because he has 'associations with all sorts of interesting and eccentric people' (like the Skull and Bones Society)...

I am not sold on Obama, but I do see what appears to be a well meaning human being. His public persona is the most tightly controlled I have ever witnessed, and that concerns me, since we never get to see beneath the veneer.

His image is obviously a construct, an extremely carefully built construct designed by an extremely good team. I wish to know who that team is.

However I know enough about Clinton and McCain to know that they are poison.

Just to show that I'm not a totally disagreeable cuss, I'll agree that Obama's image is very much a constructed one, and I share your concerns about who's doing the construction. I'm not convinced that Clinton or McCain are 'poison', at least no more so than any other professional politician.

If you think the media loves Obama, well you don't read much do you?
I have seen times in this campaign where out of thousands of articles in Google News, only two or three addressed Obama in a primarily negative light, and the rest were pro Clinton.

It is the media's aversion to Obama which suggests to me that he may be of some value, much like the fact that Ron Paul was not sanctioned.

I don't think the media 'loves' Senator Obama, but I do think that they are forced to tread very carefully where he is concerned. Can you imagine the media madhouse if Senator McCain were associated with, as an example, David Duke? Or if he'd had a 20+ year record of attending the Westboro Baptist Church (of "God Hates Fags" fame)?

We most need someone not sanctioned by the parties. The devil would suit that role for me.

Yep...that's Senator Obama...the ultimate outsider, not sanctioned at all by the major political parties. All those Democratic delegates, superdelegates, and popular votes really brand him as the outsider here. Holy smokes, I'm getting good at this...I actually got that out with a straight face.

If he turned out to be truly for the rights of the people, well that would be just a bonus wouldn't it!

Who knows *what* he's for? Oh...I forgot. "Hope" and "Change". Notice that details on what he "hopes", and on the "change" he wants to make are rather vague, and even seem to shift from audience to audience. I don't like to hear any candidate, regardless of skin color or party affiliation throw around empty buzz-words. It's time for the Senator from Illinois to start filling in some details on his domestic and foreign agenda. An entire resume made up of the words "Hope" and "Change" wouldn't convince me to give you a job as a pizza delivery man, never mind as a President.

Someone asked how Obama can be a racist when he's half black and half white.

I've met people of mixed races who pick one race and decide to hate the other. There's also people of one race who hate their own race.

It is possible for someone of two races to hate one of their own races.

I also saw people mentioning how the people of the US are the ones who vote for these people. So it's our own fault. The whole "recount" fiasco of years ago, proves that our votes don't mean crap. If our votes meant anything Bush would never have been "elected" or re-"elected". This is why I don't vote and never plan on voting. It doesn't mean a thing. The real people that have control of the US/World will put whoever they want in power.

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I find it ridiculous and disheartening that people are actually taking the flag pin thing seriously. What have we become? By the way, Clinton and McCain don't always wear their piece of made-in-china flair either, if you're paying attention. Maybe if you could pull yourself away from Rush or BillO for a second and give some thought about what is really happening to your country.

Flag Pin '08

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Originally posted by Brother Stormhammer

I don't think the media 'loves' Senator Obama, but I do think that they are forced to tread very carefully where he is concerned. Can you imagine the media madhouse if Senator McCain were associated with, as an example, David Duke? Or if he'd had a 20+ year record of attending the Westboro Baptist Church (of "God Hates Fags" fame)?

…snip…

Either Senator Obama is absolutely clueless (in which case, I'd question his ability to conduct meaningful policy discussions), or he thinks I'm so naive that I'll believe that, in two decades, he never heard any of those..

Obama doesn’t think the American people are so “naive” that they believe it, he thinks they are so guilt ridden that they will overlook it because he is African American and therefore not held to the same standards as white Americans.

And apparently he is correct! Bush bet he could trick Americans into thinking Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11, and he managed to do it. Now Obama is betting that liberal America will choose to be equally as blind when it comes to his personal history.

He may win that bet, but the real battle has not yet started. When the Republicans take the gloves off and start fighting in earnest things could get very ugly!

BTW excellent post Stormhammer.



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THE PREVIOUS POST MESSED UP AND I CAN"T FIX IT.
IT"S ACTING VERY STRANGE!!

Originally posted by Cyberbian
This thread amazes me. What influential black man in America would not have associations with all sorts of Interesting and eccentric people.

What is amazing is that you are calling terrorists and criminals 'interesting and eccentric people'.

I do wonder what is wrong with the American people when they can put Obama on such a high pedestal. What has he ever done? Has absolutely NO experience in a darn thing. But, yet, the American people are ga-ga over this man. Where does his heart lie? Who is his allegiance with? He was caught in a lie about J. Wright. When announcing his candidacy for the presidency Obama uninvited Wright to speak because of the "Rev's" mouth! He also said he wasn't aware of Wright's opinions and ranting in the church. His change ... exactly what change does he mean? His criticism of Hillary Clinton when she said yes if Israel was attacked we defend Israel. Does this mean Obama will NOT defend Israel in case of an attack? I'm afraid of Barack Hussein Obama's change!!

Wait, wait, wait...

So if I'm making a lot of promises that will genuinely help people, taxing where appropriate, reducing taxes where appropriate, defending my nation as and when it is required, not to mention ensuring the safety of our citizens, protecting and nurturing the economy and giving to charity on my days off, then that's just whatever, but if I'm not wearing some stupid pin on my lapel, I'm suddenly disrespecting my country?

Damn, did I not get the memo

(This post isn't really pro-anyone, it could apply to any candidate. I'm not a US citizen. I *am* however, curious as to why it's more important that he's white, christian and a snappy dresser as opposed to his policies and the like being the reason you'd want the guy in office.)

I agree. The man has gotten off to a blind, headlong rush and needs to be truly tested. After all, like Hitler's Nazis, he now has hecklers and "mobs" to spuriously razz the opponents while using and abusing the internet to shamelessly gain riches. I mean, is every penny of sales of Obama merchandise ACTUALLY going to the campaign? A valid question.

He's a hustler, dazzling with minute brilliance while baffling with modified BS. He's enlisting new voters by cult of personality alone and I, for one, never vote personality but policy. It will be the party's planks that I vote for and not some flash-in-the-pan, bandwagon bozo who panders to the easy-to-fool.

He's clearly campaigning to the downtrodden with idealistic promises and "jingoism", just like Adolf Hitler did. As a student of the era and the man, I've come across a lot of campaign parallels between Obama and Hitler that prove Obama needs to be tested furthur. As Shakespeare's Hamlet says "I must tent him to the quick, if 'a do blench, I know my course." (Act 2, Scene 2, Line 609.)

Originally posted by meerkat
Wait, wait, wait...

So if I'm making a lot of promises that will genuinely help people

This is were your logic is faulty. His 'promises' will NOT help anyone. In fact, liberal policies have always hurt people.

taxing where appropriate

And by appropriate, Obama means everything and everyone. We don't need ANY new taxes. Taxes should be reduced by large measures. Government programs and institution should be reduced cut.

reducing taxes where appropriate

Are you trying to be a comedian?
Obama and liberals in general will never reduce taxes. It's always tax more, more & more.

defending my nation as and when it is required

This is another funny comment. 'As required' means never until its to late.

protecting and nurturing the economy

Sorry but as stated above, his policies will never 'protect' and 'nurture' any economy much less ours. In fact, things will get even worse.

but if I'm not wearing some stupid pin on my lapel, I'm suddenly disrespecting my country?

Its NOT just the pin, its all the character issues like the pin, his pastor and the terrorist Bill Ayres which point to a person who in not a true American and who would NOT be looking out for America's best interest.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
It also doesn't matter who his pastor is,

You missed the whole story if you think that Uncle Wright was 'just his pastor'.

For 20 years Obama sat in the pews and listened to the anti-white and anti-American garbage Wright spewed. If Obama didn't agree, he would have gotten up and left - like Oprah did. For Obama to claim that he didn't know that Wright spewed this stuff is a lie. Either that or Obama has no idea what's going on around him (which would make him a bad POTUS).

Uncle Wright and Obama were tight. Very tight. This was his 'spiritual director' and Wright was on Obama's POTUS run advisory board.

Wright very much DOES matter because it goes to the heart of who Obama is.

On a side note, I received an E-mail with a number of links which I will be editing into this post once I'm positive they're legit. Eventually you people will get the picture. At least I hope...

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
I would have no issue with a Muslim President...

You should IF the person is attempting to decieve the people by claiming to be a Christian.

Originally posted by meerkat
I'm not saying Obama stands for those things, nor am I saying any other candidate will, I'm asking if it's really important that people are complaining that he's not wearing a pin on his lapel, or that he might/is/may well be/is not/absolutely is/absolutely is not/never has been- a muslim.

It's not just about the pin or his religion. The point is about the pin, his religion, his pastor and his friendly relationship with known terrorist Bill Ayres. All these things combined begin to put doubts about the character of Obama and rightfully so.