And furthermore, I am of the opinion that people are going after the wrong issues here in this thread.

Ha! Well said.

For some reason, the people here are more concerned about this stuff than actual, REAL issues.

Whether Obama truly is Muslim or not, is that really a big deal in the grand scheme of things? I'd much rather have a Muslim in office than 2 people who are willing to thrash the economy for their own personal gain.

And BTW, he's not Muslim. This thread is ridiculous and trying to dig up BS propaganda.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by stikkinikki
what exactly was in Obama's past that I am supposed to be concerned about?

So you don't think it is relevant that Obama is friendly with self admited bomber Bill Ayres?


[edit on 10-5-2008 by WhatTheory]

Look here son. I specifically used the word EXACTLY. Learn to read and answer questions and you are well on your way to participating in a discussion.

what exactly was in Obama's past that I am supposed to be concerned about?

Originally posted by stikkinikki
Look here son. I specifically used the word EXACTLY. Learn to read and answer questions and you are well on your way to participating in a discussion.

Look here daughter, learn to comprehend and answer questions and you are well on your way to participating in a discussion.

I don't know how much more specific I can be. I guess you just don't have an answer and are trying to dodge the question. I'll try again.....Do you think it is relevant for people to question Obama's past regarding Bill Ayres, who is a self admited terrorist who bombed the pentagon and a police station?

I won't dignify this thread with any further comments. Sometimes its best to let these types spew their filth so you know where they really stand. They must think we are very naive and forgetful of recent history.

Originally posted by bigbert81
This guilt by association thing is juvenile and ridiculous.

Umm....Obama himself said they were friendly.
Plus, it is not just this one issue. It all starts to add up to someone who should not even be in congress much less the President.
BTW, sometimes associations are relevant. Would you be friendly towards Bill Ayres? I would hope not.

It is more than guilt by association Bigbert.

It is Anti-American. How can you support a guy that won't respect the American Flag or wear a Flag pin like everyone else who SUPPORTS the US.?

You can't go by voting records Bigbert, especially from someone who knows they'll be running for President in the near-term.

Stop ignoring the facts about Obama. Yes, they are facts indeed.

Originally posted by Sonya610
Great title! I cannot believe that "mainstream America" needs MORE FACTS! I would say "what is wrong with these people" but after 2004 well, I guess its pretty obvious that common sense plays no part.

I just hope there is some comfort in the "worse is better" concept.What does "mainstream america" mean?

Even if he doesn't support the flag to your standards

Support to my standards? Give me a break, either you support it or you don't, and sorry to say Bigbert, Obama doesn't.

Obama is the biggest flip-flopper of them all. Get over the Gas Tax Holiday thing. Your numbers are highly exaggerated and/or skewed.

Obama supports jobs over-seas in China Bigbert, how's that for supporting job-loss in here in the US.

I rest my case.

Look, since Obama is an extreme liberal, you will get higher taxes, a larger government and more government regulation. Who wants that?

Lol Bigbert, sometimes can't believe what i'm reading when you post.

I can tell by the way you write, you make weak associations. For example, comparing NAFTA to China. While it is true both cause job losses, one has clearly been much more harmful than the other. Mexico doesn't have Nuclear weapons pointed at Bigbert. China does.

Logic should tell you: China Engagement (which Obama supports) = HUGE trade-imbalance in China's favor = building more Nuclear weapons to point at the US.

No Flag pin and not respecting the flag by placing hand on chest a grey area?? C'mon Bigbert, you are reaching there.

Face it, Obama has no business being President of the US and never did. Let him be President of Kenya. Not here.

Originally posted by bigbert81
Anyone would be foolish to think Hillary would be better about those things

Agreed!

and McCain's plans simply do not allow it to get any better either.

Possibly, but at least my taxes will not go up and we will not get socialized medical care. I am no McCain fan but unfortunately he is the lesser of evils.

Can someone fill me in on what Mr. Obama's race or religious beliefs have to do with anything?

To the OP, no offense, but you're sort of coming off as the little white guy who's afraid of the "big, bad, black man."

This thread amazes me. What influential black man in America would not have associations with all sorts of Interesting and eccentric people.

So by virtue of that all black men must be extremist nutcases, and no black man can be trusted. But you are not a bigot! No you are not being an extremist yourself.

I am not sold on Obama, but I do see what appears to be a well meaning human being. His public persona is the most tightly controlled I have ever witnessed, and that concerns me, since we never get to see beneath the veneer.

His image is obviously a construct, an extremely carefully built construct designed by an extremely good team. I wish to know who that team is.

However I know enough about Clinton and McCain to know that they are poison.

If you think the media loves Obama, well you don't read much do you?
I have seen times in this campaign where out of thousands of articles in Google News, only two or three addressed Obama in a primarily negative light, and the rest were pro Clinton.

It is the media's aversion to Obama which suggests to me that he may be of some value, much like the fact that Ron Paul was not sanctioned.

We most need someone not sanctioned by the parties. The devil would suit that role for me.

If he turned out to be truly for the rights of the people, well that would be just a bonus wouldn't it!