posted on May, 11 2008 @ 09:44 AM
SKEPTIC OVERLORD POSTED THIS:
Originally posted by SUNRAY06
For those of you with time and inclination unless you have access to the IP logs or the server side logs of the people who connect and post here how
are you going to know for sure.
We don't keep such logs, and haven't for over three years.
Originally posted by cornixman
Sorry if this sounds pedantic Mr Overlord but I fail to see any vicous lies, how can a question or a doubt be a lie?
In the opening post...
Originally posted by TheDuckster
...read ALOT of stuff that was so 'against ATS...
I want to know the truth.
"Was ATS approached by guverment intel of any sorts/bought out?
Clearly, the thread author has been spending some time reading the high volume of off-site lies and fabrications about me, our business concept, and
our labor-of-love, AboveTopSecret.com. It's out there, and not hard to find. It ranges from horribly nasty lies about me, Simon, and Springer; to
libelous flights of fancy about who we really might be.
I'm shocked and saddened by the implications and questions of the opening post because the author was invited to be part of our grand "Revolution
Party" on November 5th, 2007 where we revealed our ambitious plan to use ATS as the catalyst to build a new kind of media company, where the users
have total control. At the time, she seemed to be genuinely proud to be a part of ATS and participate in where its going... and met all of us and
spent time understanding our passion and motivations.
It seems no matter what we do, no matter what personal risk we take in making this happen, there are those who would desire to believe the worst.
Now, Skeptic, why all the guilt tripping?
The OP is asking a common sensical question.
You have the largest internet conspiracy site in the world. There are real conspiracies, and very real secrets that some people will do anything to
protect... and if just ONE person leaked specific details to someone willing to listen and do their research like a workhorse, that could expose a
whole lot.... just one person could expose a whole project worth billions of dollars, and very probably some politically/socially shattering secrets
could come pourig out. All it takes is one connected person blabing to just ONE open mind who's willing to connect the dots.
We're not playing games here. What many of the people on this forum fail to realize is that a lot of the things talked about here are far more
reality-based than their social conditioning will allow their brains to process. To the people that KNOW what's out there, to say that these
suspicions have no foundation is absolutely laughable.
If you were approached by the feds or ANY covert alphabet agency and "asked" to comply, you really would have no choice, other than to do what they
said. You're not gunna beat them legally, and you're not gunna win in an all and all out physical brawl, so you would just surrender to them because
THAT's what you gotta do in order to maintain your stable life and protect your family which you love. If perhaps you were a shady individual, or an
individual with a weakness for material gain, you may not be approached in an "official" manner, but maybe simply approached indirectly by possibly
some NEW FINANCIAL BACKERS, some celeb PR agencies, some good sounding business ventures, and the money will do the rest of the talking.
I find a few things compelling towards believing that this site has been compromised:
- one big one, the fact that we're currently under the umbrella of the most secretive and corrupt version of our government then has been seen since
the times before the Revolution
-two big ones, the fact that the conspiracies against the people of this country are overwhelming, and the implications of the effects upon society as
a whole, should these conspiracies be revealed, is enourmous... and "economically" disasterous.
- these fairly recent new financial backers that have been talked about by certain members and loosely mentioned in some staff announcements
- the tendency by a few staff members to aggressively browbeat and/or guilt trip someone into either agreeing with them or into keeping quiet in feaqr
of being banned or warned or deducted points or thought of as a bad member or something
- the fact that this website considers other "truth" forums, no matter how big or small, to be "competition".
- the fact that, no matter how much common sense we people on the outside of the "alternative research" BOX tend to bring to this website, the
debunkers, who are, sorry but... WRONG because WE"VE EXPERIENCED EVENTS AND EPIPHANIES THAT THEY HAVE NEVER KNOWN OF PERSONALLY AND YET HAVE THE
BALLS TO SAY DOESN'T EXIST OR ISN'T POSSIBLE (yet we usually have the decency to allow them their voice... something of which we are mostly afforded
only the illusion of...) they still seem to have control of this website's mass consciousness, even though we're in the midst of an awakening of
mass proportions right now.
- "shocked and saddened" How many times have we all heard a government official spout that line, like every time something might be blamed on them,
they're "shocked and saddened" all the sudden? Whoa... Skeptic, you're starting to TALK like one of those talking heads the government pays to lie
to us so they don't have to. Just an observation.
- the outrageous amounts of slander that goes on towards innocent members... not the average joe that posts a comment here and there... but the real
heavyweights with good info or a story that really makes you think. I've noticed that the real outspoken people on here seem to be/have been bullied
by certain mods with ridiculous warns and penalties for piddly things, and have been the target for unfettered trashtalking, like the mods and admins
decide who they are going to defend and who they are going to try to make uncomfortable.
- I'm u2u banned, for example... I know what I was banned for, but I noticed that I didn't get banned for it until about two weeks after I had sent
what I thought was a private message to another member, expressing my growing distaste for some of the things I've noticed around here and where
I've been since I haven't been here as much. This says to me that A) your u2us are perfectly private until you irritate one of the mods/admins, and
that B) they will search for something to ban you from for whatever reason they can find.
- I've noticed that abductees get the knock down drag out treatment here. So much so, that most abductees/contactees feel intimidated and forced to
withhold their stories for fear of the horrible attacks that come here. I was hounded by a guy who I haven't seen opn here since, after I posted a
thread about my personal ET experiences, and he just tried to dig up anything he could find in my previous posts to prove to people that I was CLEARLY
delusional and in serious need of psychiatric help... like I was just some ranting derelict preaching about Xenu on a streetcorner. Abductees and
contactees are the best evidence we have, and yet we have an atmosphere here so fully poisoned by biased skeptics, general meanies, and people posting
obvious hoaxes and then disappearing a day or two later.... it makes me wonder.
- This is a business. Truth is not good for business, because the real truth would kill the market dead. Status quo is key to maintaining steady
- "Deny Ignorance" is to be respectful and not to (key root word here) IGNORE any info or word or personality or opinion. I find that hard to
maintain in any environment that is based on capital gain and seemingly continuing the status quo. Because the very fact that you have financial
backers means that you have collars with leashes on.
- The fact that you are so ademant about keeping this obvious illusion that "America is so free and great and look how beautiful our unadulterated
speech is" is glaringly apparent when you so obviously treat this whole deal like this is some game that you can also line your pockets with on the
side, and you basically laugh and snuff away at the fact that you would be a prime target for alphabet agencies and people with money and connections
who wish to influence and/or stifle this sector of the population's opinions... it's suspicious.
I suspect all of this because it is common sense, once you realize how BIG the lies are... and also once you realize the potential that one single
voice has. A world full of huge secrets + a paranoid government. Is this equation conducive towards equating with opportunities for big popular
websites where citizens can talk freely about what the government is really doing behind their backs? Can they really afford to let any secrets out?
Are they sure they know whether the right person is paying attention or not? If damage control wasn't fully in place, the damage would be... well...
the end of society as we know it.
Common sense dictates that there are nefarious things going on somewhere within your enterprise here, because the truth is NOT being exposed. People
are just getting more confused and overloaded. Is it because this is all just a bunch of snake oil being confused for snake oil? Nope. There is
something very big you are not supposed to know, people. Don't underestimate the powers in play here. Don't trust someone just because they tell you
to trust them, and guilt trip you and penalize you into brasinwashing you into begging THEM for THEIR forgiveness... when, in the end, YOU make or
break this site, and YOU are the one either benefitting or getting totally used.
We question this site because we have a right and a very real duty to question it. There are plenty of other places to discuss truth, so you are not
doing us any favors. If it was convenience we were after, we wouldn't be here in the first place. Truth aint convenient.