Cointel Pro within ATS?, page 3

Personally, I haven't been here long enough to lay claims about threads like this appearing over and over. I suppose on theoretical level i would expect no less.

I am somewhat dismayed at some of the negativity with which his comments were met. This environment, if meant to be anything other than mental masturbations, must be capable of greeting any kind of skepticism with enough respect to allow it to be fully vented.

I think it's safe to assume that some of you out there agree that the opportunity to exchange ideas and what limited 'evidence' we have to share is not exactly 'forthcoming' on the internet at this moment. The owners of this site may or may not have at one time exposed their 'members' to intelligence analysis of an 'unwelcome' order, but that potentiality existed both then and now, despite their intentions. After all, this is the internet, and given enough resources and time, anyone could develop posting profiles on everyone here; and most of us know the 'anonymity' factor is at the very end of the technology rainbow.

It appeared to me that this website - intentionally or not - created opportunities to engage in the collation and analysis of information that we can take advantage of ourselves. Let's face it, if we wait for the media and those traditionally responsible to 'put two and two together' we could be waiting until the end of time.

Whether the site owners have engaged in efforts to 'protect' us is a matter of trust, (no offense SO, but reality is what it is.) There is a possibility that they too are more than just 'commercially' interested in the venture, but that is neither necessarily noble nor malicious. Someday I'll drive into the city and perhaps be fortunate enough to meet with them or their staff. But even then I know that they have as little reason to accept my sincerity as I have theirs.

Eventually the 'leap of faith' must be taken that there are somethings in this world that are worth fighting for, there is still some reason to hold on to hope for the sake of what's good and positive. Discussing on a thread whether this brainchild of the owner's is a tool for such an and is sort of empty. What will make it so is us, not them. Of course since they participate as well I think it's up to them too, but frankly, they don;t have to participate if they don't want to, and neither do we.

Those inclined to distrust sites such as these should simply restrict their activities accordingly. I will not, trust or otherwise. I cannot lay claim to acts of patriotic heroism fighting 'the man' and I do not have the freedom to risk my future to that end for I have people who must depend on me. But that doesn't mean I have to 'shut up and lie down.' If all I can do is talk, then talk I will, and I will continue until time or circumstance silences me. My freedom to express dissent exists in my personal 'reality' whether big brother likes it or not. This is my person, my thoughts, and my life. So here I have found a place where some will kindly tolerate my rantings and ravings about the mis-steps that surround our lives. I will not abandon it for fear of the very thing I am speaking out against.

Obviously, I don't think we should necessarily throw up our hands in surrender. What's the big secret? So COINTELPRO thinks it can 'use' the contents of this website, GOOD, maybe two or three of their people may start to see what we see... Maybe the governments own tools will begin to 'question' their own participation, and the truth as to whom they serve.

I don't participate here because I particularly love my own writing style or think that it validates my own ideas. I won't admit details now, but my mind has been changed on certain issues because of this sites discussion threads. And to me, that's worth the risk; because if there is one thing I do not wish to risk, it the possibility that 'I never knew' could contribute to sufferings of others - as of late 'I never knew' is an increasingly common denominator when addressing the people in our lives.

TheDuckster has made a claim to have recently encountered much anti-ATS material. Evidently it was enough to prompt the creation of a thread which I suspect has not been exactly a 'friendly' experience. Please share your sources, I am vane enough to believe I am ready to analyze and dissect any line of reasoning. I will identify it's axioms and premises and determine if their objections to this site are ideological (which I suspect they usually are) or otherwise (which is not outside of the realm of possibility).

Rather than run from the possibility, I would run towards the challenge. I need to know, and I think we all want to know, if there is any party who is motivated to discredit or mar the dream that at least I (hopefully 'we') have about what we as a group of concerned people can accomplish for everyone out there who simply are lost in episodes of American Idol, or too in love with the talking heads to question the reality they seem to embrace.

[edit on 10-5-2008 by Maxmars]