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JmanFIVEk, your wrong, period.
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Of course it doesn't say this is a bad thing. The Bible is basically a guidebook on who you, as a slave, are beholden to. It's not going to tell you slavery is a bad thing - slavery is the entire reason for your existence. You serve no purpose, biblically, other than to enrich your mortal superiors and give eternal obeisance to your god when you die.
Maybe that's what you want - as you say, it's pretty ordered, and some people need that kind of order in their lives. But myself? I would sooner die - or kill - than be a slave to any man or god. And I would do the same to prevent you from such indignity, just the same.
And so the children must pay for the sin of their parents. A common theme to Christianity. Not only is every human being absolutely, eternally damned because of Adam and Eve, but every child is likewise burdened by the sins of their parents. The message? You, as a human being, are worthless. The only way you acquire worth of any degree is, again, by giving yourself over to a life of slavery.
Perhaps you're one of those folks that believes paying a tax in return for the services of a nation is slavery, while being owned and totally controlled by another human being is acceptable? That is, perhaps you're a Libertarian?
betrothed woman who is having an affair, both should be put to death
Unless of course, she doesn't cry out. In which case it's considered an affair. See above.
A system that benefits the rapist - biblically, women were not allowed to refuse their husband. Nor was beating the hell out of your wife a crime. Bad news: You just got raped. Worse news: You'll relive that experience whenever your rapist wants you too.
But so long as you obey him with trembling and fear, you'll be able to go to heaven to kiss hte feet of hte god who set up this system. Now that is generosity
if the entire law hangs on 2 commandments, Love GOD, and love your neighbor, yeah i would say thats about right.
Someday a Christian will follow either of those commandments. I'll be struck dead with surprise, unfortunately.
Originally posted by chise61
Originally posted by audas
[Americans feel they have the right to express their religious zealously no matter the consequences]
I am sorry that we (Americans) offend you with our belief that we have a right to "express" our beliefs. However you must remember that our country was founded on the beliefs of "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Religion" . Hey guess what we "AMERICANS" even have a contsitutional RIGHT (in America) to do so.
- [it is similar to the pro-slavery movement - the idea of abolition was unthinkable and so America lagged a century behind the rest of the western world - as it still does on religion. ]
On this point you must remember that compared to other countries we are a very new country, so if you feel that we are still a century behind, maybe that could be the reason. Maybe you suggest that we should advance to the level of some countries where people are still tortured and killed for thier religious beliefs.
[Religious extremists, such as Christians]
And what kind of extremist are you that you choose to group all christians in the category of "religious extremists" ?
Originally posted by AlexG141989
"Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says."(1 Corinthians 14:34)
"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched." (Mark 9:43)
"One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the congregation of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2)
"Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ." (Ephesians 6:5)
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 )
is this truly what you believe???
Originally posted by audas
Originally posted by miriam0566
Originally posted by nightmare_david
The only thing that ever upsets me are people who push others into a certain belief. I think everyone should be able to choose for themselves whatever belief they want to follow. When people force their ideas and beliefs on to others, that's when I feel they take it too far. That, IMHO, is what this thread was trying to do and I agree that it's getting pretty old.
i hate to say this but hes not forceing anything.
there is a difference between forcing you beliefs and simply showing them.
noone is standing behind you with a gun telling you to believe his post. he has the same right to voice his opinion about religion as christian does spreading the gospel
Originally posted by nightmare_david
What I said was I don't like when people force their beliefs on to others.
Originally posted by Chewy82
Its clear to see you dont believe in what you have read and its easy to pick and choose what to write and reed. Although by far most of your quotes are from the old testament and while you may not even bother to try and understand what your have written you should at least choose to write and quote more from the new testament. After all when Jesus was born he mostly talked about love, and loving each other, and more so loving your enemy as you would yourself, which is in itself a promotion of peace. You have quoted small samples and not the full excerpt, and is a waste of time for all who have read your jibes as they are not relevent. You have basically got into your head that religion is useless so you will write about useless quotes.
Yes these are quotes, but the bible aint harry potter, and not ment to be an easy reed.
Your quote regarding chopping your hand off, I would be interested to hear what you think it means, I understand what it means but its clear to see that people like you who cant look beyond there own front door, cant see what it means.
You also have to understand that while the old testamont like detreometory, was written in an era of more than 6000yrs ago..... and incase you hadnt noticed times have changed, and while you go on about the bible in general, what about the koran, which still uphold these laws of 6000yrs ago.
So before you go about trying to get a rise out of people, and starting a debate about things you clearly no nothing about, try taking up talking about; is harry potter real or not, as thats clearly more closer to your brain cells, although i can imagine it might even struggle with dealing with that!!!!!!
[edit on 15-5-2008 by Chewy82]
actually with the new covenant which jesus ushered in he said to keep the commandments,not sure where you come up with that.
Originally posted by Alcove
A few people have brought up the issue of OT commandments being valid. They aren't. They were laws given to the Isrealite people by God. They aren't applicable after Christ's death.
Hebrews 8:6-10:18 discusses this. It talks about the old covenant (agreement) being temporary.
"The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves." from Hebrews 10:1.
ALLis0NE, why do you say that the 10 Commandments are all anyone needs to worry about? Everything God says is important.
Yeah that is why church is bad!
Originally posted by Howie47
reply to post by AlexG141989
Quotes need to be in the (context) of the message of the whole Bible.
Those who have received that message have a whole new view of everything. You certainly haven't seen that insight. I hope and pray that someday you do. Keep seeking.