Is this What You Believe In? (Quotes From The Bible)

It's "you're", not "your." And no, I am not wrong. What did you say? When god created the "original animals?" What the hell are you talking about? What exactly are "original animals?"

Never mind, don't bother replying please. I don't think anyone should put any stock in your understanding of the animal kingdom. Stick to make believe, it suits you better.

[edit on 12-5-2008 by JmanFIVEk]

i dont feel comfortable talking about this. all i have to say is that the bible has a very different view of slavery than man does. however, i understand why you feel the way you do.



you have it the wrong way around. you have to look at it from the top down. an isrealite´s family was everything. if he sinned and caused shame to a son and his son on to 10 generations. it was plenty of incentive not to do.

suffering from the sins of you parents, and even the sins of adam and eve dont make you worthless. it just shows that your actions affect others. there are plenty of examples outside the bible where human nature shows a child paying for the sin of his father.

but in the end, it is what you do about it. in the end you stand before god alone to answer for YOUR sins, noone elses.



no not at all. the scripture was talking to people who where already slaves. if you were a slave and saw jesus talking and decided to become christian, then jesus was telling you to pay the dues placed upon you. suddenly becoming christian wasnt an excuse to run away or defy your master.

much like governments. governments are there because god allows them until his kingdom takes over (ill find the scripture, i dont have it off hand sorry)

till then, even if the governments are unjust, jesus says pay what you owe. if the government demands taxes, then pay the taxes.



if sins wages are death, that means doing anything that is not treating your neighbor with the love you would expect is worthy of death.

barbaric to you yes, but if everyone followed it then the world would be a happier place



still alot better than islamic countries, where they punish the woman and the man goes free.



what if the father refuses the bride price? nothing to say he cant



ive seen a few, unfortunatly i could count them on one hand. *sigh*

[edit on 13-5-2008 by miriam0566]

Total inability to take responsibility for their actions. Christianity is an organised religion - as such there is a collective responsibility. AS a Christian you are responsible for the actions of your organisation - if you do not wish to answer for the actions of the Church - remove yourself from it and join the millions of enlightened people who have moved beyond the simplicity and intellectual, moral, ethical baseness of Organised Religion.

Like it or not, Christianity is a profoundly evil construct design specifically as a taxation, to dominate the masses, and subjugate the world as a power structure, it is a well documented historical fact. Simply because the nefarious creators of this myth, and its modern proponents, have played upon mans natural inclination to mysticism and presented their power structure with a "moral" façade does not in any way dispel the reality of where this religion came from, why it was created, for what purpose and the the actions which have been carried out in its name. There is no moving beyond historical fact - no matter "how good" it makes you feel to be associated with an organisation responsible for more death, mayhem and human suffering than perhaps any other institution.

The idea that you wish to selectively highlight certain aspects and divest any association with others does not there fore make it so - Christianity IS all these things - as a Christian you are part of this.

The fact that as a Christian you can not accept that your churches transgressions does not mean that you are not responsible, or that they are not true - it simply means you are incapable of accepting reality and taking on the burden of responsibility for your churches evil practices.

Just because you WANT your church to be good doesn't mean it is.

Freedom of Expression and Religion goes both ways - if you wish to belong to what should be a criminal institution which should be brought up on charges for crimes against humanity then you should also understand that people will find this reprehensible and subsequently have every right to express their HORROR that such an archaic, despotic, corrupt and inhumane institution still exists. We have the right to say no more of this charade.

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Which church did what?
Can I have examples?
The Inquisitions?
Following Jesus and going where other believers are is not the same as worshiping a man or leader as the supreme king on earth!
Men will do evil. It's in their bones to do it at some point.
How much evil is predicated upon their will and morals.
Churches with POWER and false dogmas will ALWAYS take man's souls into slavery to their church, But,
Jesus gave us principles to love God first and our neighbor as ourselves.
Not our Church.

Why does religion always raise the hackles of Man? Why do people continually have to fight over who's God is better? Its like being in grade school and picking a fight over who's father is the toughest. We all have faith in SOMETHING. No one has the right to take that away from anyone. I am not a Christian, but I respect and admire Yeshua. He was what every human being has the capacity to become; he said so himself. The Bible has parts that do not sit well with me; however, I have no right to judge it as BAD because I don't like it and no one else does either. It is a matter of faith, and faith cannot be proved or disproved. Stop fighting and arguing; no matter from which faith or religion you come from everyone worships the same God, just in different ways.

I am surprised you didn't include "There is no God." which appears in 15 verses. The most famous is Psalm 14:1. Of course context is everything. If you don't believe me follow the link to the verse.

[Total inability to take responsibility for their actions. Christianity is an organised religion - as such there is a collective responsibility. AS a Christian you are responsible for the actions of your organisation - if you do not wish to answer for the actions of the Church - remove yourself from it and join the millions of enlightened people who have moved beyond the simplicity and intellectual, moral, ethical baseness of Organised Religion.]

And what makes you think that i am part of any church? A Christian church is an organized religion, i am simply a Christian. I'm sorry but as a Christian i am responsible for my actions alone, no one elses, especially the church's. The heads of the church and the members that do wrong are responsible for the actions, not the whole congregation.

Just what actions do you speak of anyway ? Can you give me some examples of the actions that you wish to hold me responsible for ? Do you speak of perhaps the Spanish Inquisition ?

Thank you but i am already enlightened just as you feel that you are, we are just enlightened by different beliefs that niether one of us can say is right or wrong.

[ no matter "how good" it makes you feel to be associated with an organisation responsible for more death, mayhem and human suffering than perhaps any other institution.]

Again you ASSUME that i am associated with an organization. No organization makes me "feel good". What makes me feel good is the fact that God loved me enough to send his son to save me and that Jesus loved me enough to die for my sins.

And would you please be so kind as to tell me what deaths, mayhem, and human suffering that "my" church has caused? Since you keep insisting that i am part of a church you must also "know" what church i am a part of.

[The idea that you wish to selectively highlight certain aspects and divest any association with others does not there fore make it so - Christianity IS all these things - as a Christian you are part of this.]

I am sorry but again you are wrong. As a Christian i am only part of a group of people that believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. Being a Christian does not in itself make me a part of any church or organized religion, it simply makes me a believer in, and a follower of Jesus.

[The fact that as a Christian you can not accept that your churches transgressions does not mean that you are not responsible, or that they are not true - it simply means you are incapable of accepting reality and taking on the burden of responsibility for your churches evil practices.]

Again i ask what church do you speak of ? You will need to be a little more specific here as i know not which church you refer to. You still have yet to give me any examples, let alone facts of the "evil practices" that "my" church has carried out, that you expect me to carry the burden of.

[Just because you WANT your church to be good doesn't mean it is.]

Again what church????? You keep talking & talking about the same thing over & over again, but yet you say nothing.

[Freedom of Expression and Religion goes both ways - if you wish to belong to what should be a criminal institution which should be brought up on charges for crimes against humanity then you should also understand that people will find this reprehensible and subsequently have every right to express their HORROR that such an archaic, despotic, corrupt and inhumane institution still exists. We have the right to say no more of this charade.]

This really isn't fair. The Bible is a collection of Jewish writings complied by Europeans. Those books were written by a diverse group of people over a very long period of time. Jehovah's character and judgement varies greatly in the Old Testament alone, not to mention that Jesus carefully nullified many of the old Hebrew laws.

The modern canon is only one manifestation. Even modern groups of Christians don't agree on what books are "valid" and which aren't. (Though their criteria is often purely modish . . .)
People should read the thing and drop all the crap they learned. They should read multiple translations from a variety of sources. Read it for what it is and you will find that these writers were brilliant. That's why the writings persist. Like Led Zeppelin. Instant Classics.

Now, let's talk about the Book of Enoch and WHY it was so revered at one point and then dropped from the canon very suddenly....

The previous anonymous post was mine.

I never said I believed anything in his post. What I said was I don't like when people force their beliefs on to others. Clearly thats what the person was trying to do here. I also never said he didn't have the right to do voice his opinion.

He took quotes from the bible out of context to push HIS BELIEF.

You took what I said and completely twisted it around and even added things.

what does a person have to do to force their beliefs on others? when i think of force, i think of the inquisition. or the holocaust. romans forced their beliefs.

all he did was quote some scriptures and ask a question. OKay, the scriptures are out of context and he doesnt have all his ducks in order. but i would hardly say thats forcing.

Its clear to see you dont believe in what you have read and its easy to pick and choose what to write and reed. Although by far most of your quotes are from the old testament and while you may not even bother to try and understand what your have written you should at least choose to write and quote more from the new testament. After all when Jesus was born he mostly talked about love, and loving each other, and more so loving your enemy as you would yourself, which is in itself a promotion of peace. You have quoted small samples and not the full excerpt, and is a waste of time for all who have read your jibes as they are not relevent. You have basically got into your head that religion is useless so you will write about useless quotes.
Yes these are quotes, but the bible aint harry potter, and not ment to be an easy reed.
Your quote regarding chopping your hand off, I would be interested to hear what you think it means, I understand what it means but its clear to see that people like you who cant look beyond there own front door, cant see what it means.
You also have to understand that while the old testamont like detreometory, was written in an era of more than 6000yrs ago..... and incase you hadnt noticed times have changed, and while you go on about the bible in general, what about the koran, which still uphold these laws of 6000yrs ago.
So before you go about trying to get a rise out of people, and starting a debate about things you clearly no nothing about, try taking up talking about; is harry potter real or not, as thats clearly more closer to your brain cells, although i can imagine it might even struggle with dealing with that!!!!!!

[edit on 15-5-2008 by Chewy82]

"Your quote regarding chopping your hand off, I would be interested to hear what you think it means"

i think what this means is that if something in your life makes you sin, let go of it... and actually fyi i've never seen any of the harry pottter films

actually with the new covenant which jesus ushered in he said to keep the commandments,not sure where you come up with that.