"Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says."(1 Corinthians 14:34)

"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched." (Mark 9:43)

"One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the congregation of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2)

"Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ." (Ephesians 6:5)

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 )


is this truly what you believe???

Though I'm not a Christian I am getting a bit weary of threads that exist simply to rile up or bash the Christians that are members of this site. Personally I can agree with some of the anti-Christian sentiment, but most of the Christians on this site are actually really good, interesting people and I find it highly disrespectful to post something of this nature.

Considering you posted this in the Conspiracies in Religions forum, where exactly is the conspiracy?

whats so disrespectful about this post???....im not bashing christians....(i do think christianity and every other organized religion is a load of bs) but this was in the bible wasnt it??? so how is it disrespectful?

I have no problem with these scriptures as long as they are taken in context with the surrounding scriptures, compared to other scripture, and understood according to the situation in that particular time frame.

Pulling verses out of the Bible without context acheives nothing but confusion.

Originally posted by Osiris1953
Though I'm not a Christian I am getting a bit weary of threads that exist simply to rile up or bash the Christians that are members of this site. of this nature.

Thank You,
I try to be subtle, but to be bashed over a over again becomes tiresome.
I wish the bashing would stop and diolog could begin.
WIS

I think the first thing to do is seperate the old and new testament stuff.
Then interpret the new testament stuff in parable when you come across the hacking off your hand stuff. You are smart enough to understand the message of that scripture, aren't you?
Literal interpretation is some dangerous stuff and turns people into either zealots or Atheists.
So far you haven't had anyone from the crazed Right jump this thread but it won't be long.
We, my type of Christians, focus on the teachings of Jesus. We aren't all about people going to hell. We are about serving, being humble, loving our wives and kids, our families, we are about tolerance, and about forgiveness. We apologize in our heads just moments after we give you the finger for cutting us off in traffic. We are flawed. We want and strive to be better. We are not anti-gay, nor anti-Muslim, we judge not less we be judged. We look for reasons and ways to love and try and struggle each day not to hate.
You will find "Christian's" that say something different and they will be showing up real soon I imagine. If it ain't Love, it ain't Christian.

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29"

That's out of context, but lets put it this way. THAT rule, right there, is STILL better than what we do now.

If someone rapes someone now, they go to jail and are taken care of for a few years (given a place to work out, play basketball, read, make connections, YOU KNOW? become stronger and smarter criminals!), pay no fine, are not committed to any kind of service (like marriage) and when they return to society they rape someone else.

That's working great!

I bet you that a sane person would be less likely to rape someone if the old rule was still in place.

BTW, the 50 pieces of silver in biblical times is equivalent to $1,583 American dollars today. For anyone curious, JC was sold out for less than a grand. Somewhere around $980 dollars

Despite that fact that your quoting things out of context, all of the things u quoted are really not that bad at all compared to the way we do things now. Look around you.

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i wasnt trying to "attack" christians, i think people have the right believe what they want to, even if what they believe in doesnt coincide with what i believe in...and i do have my opinions on religion and the bible so i was just trying to make a point, by pointing out some not so humane quotes from the bible.....

oh and im not an athiest, to me an atheist is just as closed minded as a theist because they both make outstanding claims without any proof....the same way that a theist cant prove that god exists, an atheist cant prove he doesnt...so im agnostic

Well first off let me just say, "long time lurker, first time poster". Secondly, I also consider myself a Christian, I follow the bible, I belong to a Methodist Church, etc. But I do disagree with things in the bible, and contradictions that are made between the old and new testaments. But besides that, I'd just like to add that I heard one of the most profound things a Pastor, or man of the cloth could say a few nights ago on Coast to Coast AM. (Which I listen to when I get a chance.)

This pastor said, "Yes I believe in the biblical term that the earth is only a few thousand years old, but the book of Genesis says to go out and re-populate the earth. You don't re-populate unless something was already populated." I thought this was one of the coolest things I'd ever heard. So, just something to think about...