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Exposed: Luciferians/Freemasons: Barack Obama & Ron Paul

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posted on May, 25 2008 @ 11:40 PM
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C'mon Chad.

Masons and non-Masons alike are still waiting for the tie-ins...

Surely some kind of reasonable, linear linkages should be able to be presented, give how sure you seem to be...





posted on May, 27 2008 @ 01:59 PM
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Like the man said...it'd be great if someone just asked him. But you gotta figure...the methods of manipulation with Masonry are so subtle. Washington apparently finally figured out what was going on and bailed out. But most others fear the social alienation. And it can look TOTAL when everyone who is someone is part of it. And of course the organization has it's 'sensing mechanism' and knows JUST how to make things appear to each member. They know just how much pressure for just what things they can apply at each level to gradually steer the ship so to speak.

So who knows? The pics are convincingly strange, but of course one must question the sourcing of them... and wonder if someone just did a clever editing job to discredit Ron Paul.

Those who love God have to believe the best, hope the best etc. And even if someone is a deceiver, God works through that process if we are listening to him and will shame those who put their faith in something amiss. -bob



posted on May, 27 2008 @ 09:45 PM
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I don't know about Barack Obama being a Mason but I think Ron Paul isn't. He is the only candidate trying to protect our freedom and preserve our Constitution. How can someone even think that? What is Mccain trying to do for us besides put us in a 100 year war and people talk about the only candidate that has real solutions.



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by Korvenus
I don't know about Barack Obama being a Mason but I think Ron Paul isn't. He is the only candidate trying to protect our freedom and preserve our Constitution. How can someone even think that?


I find this statement curious. You do realize that the Constitution is largely a *Masonic* document, right? It was in large part beased on Benjamin Franklin's book "The Constitutions of the Free Masons", Franklin himself having served as Grand Master of Masons in Pennsylvania. Other contributors and signers to the Constitution were also high ranking Masons, including Washington, who, contrary to what someone wrote above, promoted Masonry to the end of his life, and was buried with Masonic honors.

Nevertheless, none of the current presidential candidates are Masons.



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 04:48 PM
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I haven't read the whole thread yet so forgive my premature reply, but I would LOVE LOVE LOVE it if Ron Paul were a Freemason. I've often considered it; and if he IS, I know one dude who will be making a special trip to the Lake Jackson Lodge some time in the future!! -- To sit in Lodge with Ron Paul --- How AWESOME would that be?!?!

If he were a Mason, it would actually fit my developing theory quite nicely.

P.S. For the record I do not believe that he is... wishful thinking on my part.

[edit on 5/28/08 by The Axeman]



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
Nevertheless, none of the current presidential candidates are Masons.


I'm truly just curious here; and sans preuve, one way or another, I really have no opinion on the matter. So here goes...

What allows you to definitively make that statement. Is it 1) because you are a Freemason, and because of that fact alone, you have insider information on brethren membership? And/or 2) is it because you are of such a high-rank in the craft that you are privy (more so than the average mason) to the non-membership status of Obama or Paul? And/or 3) has this question been asked multiple times in multiple places within masonry itself (Lodge forums, monthly magazines, or official statements, etc.); and thus the question has been answered in the negative by some authority that speaks for the craft and we, as non-initiates, do not yet know about it?



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
What allows you to definitively make that statement. Is it 1) because you are a Freemason, and because of that fact alone, you have insider information on brethren membership? And/or 2) is it because you are of such a high-rank in the craft that you are privy (more so than the average mason) to the non-membership status of Obama or Paul? And/or 3) has this question been asked multiple times in multiple places within masonry itself (Lodge forums, monthly magazines, or official statements, etc.); and thus the question has been answered in the negative by some authority that speaks for the craft and we, as non-initiates, do not yet know about it?
Nah, gotta play devil's advocate here.

If someone is definitively making the statement that one of the above IS a Mason, is it 1) Because they've sat in a tiled lodge with him before? And/or 2) is it because they've seen the ring on his finger or the bumper sticker on his car? And/or 3) 'cause he, you know, throws the goat, man. And it's all bloodlines and stuff. And, um.... He just is, but I can't prove it, because it's all secret, man.

On a more serious note, if a candidate were in the Scottish Rite, I can just about guarantee that the Scottish Rite journals would be making a big deal about it. It's sad when the biggest celebrities they have are a NASCAR driver, a country singer and a racist comedian, but that's about the limit of celebrity these days. It's right there in their strategic plan that they should "Build a Positive Public Image of Freemasonry and the Scottish Rite" by establishing "means to utilize well-known members to accomplish the objective".



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 06:03 PM
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"On a more serious note"

Sorry for the confusion, but I WAS serious - and sincere.

Your answer will have to suffice. Thanks.



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 06:23 PM
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Oh, I didn't mean to imply anything other than your serious intent. The "on a more serious note" was in regards to my own dumbing down of answer number 3, which is what most of these threads are willing to use as "proof". (Actually hurt my head a bit just for me to go there...)

Can any of us here declaratively state that they're not Masons? I don't think so, no. Have any of us been shown valid proof that they are? Also no.

There are records kept at all meetings. These records are available for brothers that want to access them. (One reason why the secretary of a lodge can be a full-time job... all the paperwork that's due to the Grand Lodge...)

Your validations did have one fallacy, though, which I'd like to correct if I may: there is no authority that speaks for the craft. No body that governs all of Masonry. No central repository of all records. There can be a consensus of smaller authority, though, and in such cases, that would have to suffice.



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 07:03 PM
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Once again, your answers are duly noted. I shall consider them.

I was asking about an authority. There's authorities (Grand Masters or Secretaries or whatever title they happen to have) that speak for the craft (regions or otherwise). They can issue statements telling people hey, there's a little get together over here, and this here document is officially announcing it. Things like that. [Perhaps Masonic Light is privy to such a thing, and that's why he is so adamant - don't know, just asking questions].

At a Ron Paul forum, I read some mason claim in the affirmative. When asked to elaborate, he said because I have held Lodge with Brother Obama personally. I have no way to know if he was telling the truth, and likewise I have no way of knowing the opposite either - save for some kind of official statement or something (from an "authority").


[edit on 28-5-2008 by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men]



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
At a Ron Paul forum, I read some mason claim in the affirmative. When asked to elaborate, he said because I have held Lodge with Brother Obama personally.


I followed the Ron Paul forums pretty closely there for a while and I seem to remember that...

Then there was also the post about the supposed billionaire backer and Prime Time TV specials and all... Spammers' paradise.



I want Chad to prove Ron Paul is a Mason just so I can call him (RP) "Brother." I would be honored indeed to do so.



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by The Axeman
I want Chad to prove Ron Paul is a Mason just so I can call him (RP) "Brother." I would be honored indeed to do so.


Saying that, I notice ChadAndrewATS and Frieght Thompson have been very quiet lately. Don't tell me you all had them slain?



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 10:26 PM
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No, no.

We do exploding toilets; you would have heard about it.



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 10:55 PM
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If Ron Paul is a mason, so what? It's a fraternity. Big deal. Around here they just collect money and donate it to kids and boy scouts and stuff. Oooh, so evil.

Are they controlled by theEelite Zionists at the highest echelons? Probably. But so is just about everything else.

95% of American corporations are owned by the zionist elite. You drink pepsi? I guess you'll have to stop drinking that and boycott it. You like to eat kraft food? Boycott that as well. Clothes you are wearing? Probably also made by a company that is owned by zionists.

If you don't want to ahve anything to do with the elite that control the world, you're going to have to pretty much live naked in a cave doing nothing all day. No more buying anything. No more doing anything. That includes being a member of a fraternity that is also controlled by the zionist elite at the upper levels. The levels Ron Paul will not get to and is not a part of.



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 11:03 PM
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" Exposed: Luciferians/Freemasons: Barack Obama & Ron Paul "


That is, just another, oversimplification of the problem.



JFK was a Catholic, but he supported the constitution!



What I'm saying is,

don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Especially, when that baby, is the only hope we have....



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 08:28 AM
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In the USA, especially over the last 30 years, Masonic organizations tend to flaunt celebrity members for advertizing purposes. Not that I agree with this, but it's what they do. Of course, sometimes it comes back to bite them in the ass (the Michael Richards incident, for example).

Regardless, if any of those were Masons, they'd be on the cover of practically every Masonic magazine in print.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 09:15 AM
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This is why I blame public education...


Originally posted by AgentStovkowski
95% of American corporations are owned by the zionist elite. You drink pepsi? I guess you'll have to stop drinking that and boycott it. You like to eat kraft food? Boycott that as well. Clothes you are wearing? Probably also made by a company that is owned by zionists.


No one "owns" Kraft Foods or Pepsi, they are publicly traded companies.



finance.google.com...:KFT

Kraft Foods Inc. (Public, NYSE:KFT) -

32.45
0.00 (0.00%)
May 28 - Close Open: - Mkt Cap: 49.20B P/E: 20.39 Dividend: 0.27
High: 32.45 52Wk High: 37.20 F P/E: 18.16 Yield: 3.33
Low: 32.45 52Wk Low: 28.63 Beta: 0.60 Shares: 1.52B
Vol: 0.00 Avg Vol: 7.99M EPS: 1.59 Inst. Own: 75%


1.52 billion shares of stock, and 75% is institutionally owned (mutual funds and retirement funds)... The rest is in the hands of private citizens... Even you could own a "slice" of Kraft (I just made a cheese joke).



PepsiCo, Inc. (Public, NYSE
EP) -

67.93
0.00 (0.00%)
Delayed: 9:30AM ET Open: 67.94 Mkt Cap: 107.74B P/E: 19.60 Dividend: 0.43
High: 67.95 52Wk High: 79.79 F P/E: 18.66 Yield: 2.50
Low: 67.93 52Wk Low: 64.25 Beta: 0.22 Shares: 1.59B
Vol: 4,081.00 Avg Vol: 6.46M EPS: 3.47 Inst. Own: 68%


Pepsi is close to the same... 1.59 billion shares and 68% institutional ownership.

I'm always amazed at the simplistic view of corporations; as if there's some old fat cat smoking a cigar and pulling strings behind the scenes to satisfy his lust for evil machinations. The truth is that corporations are nebulous entities with decision making at various levels and across independent divisions. Even the Chairman/CEO has limited power... And all are held accountable to the almighty shareholder.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
Regardless, if any of those were Masons, they'd be on the cover of practically every Masonic magazine in print.


If that's all we'll ever get on matters such as this, it's no wonder why there's conspiracy theories regarding people who are accused of being masons. Seems like Masonry as an organization is an accomplice.

[edit on 29-5-2008 by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men]



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Mirthful Me
This is why I blame public education...


Originally posted by AgentStovkowski
95% of American corporations are owned by the zionist elite. You drink pepsi? I guess you'll have to stop drinking that and boycott it. You like to eat kraft food? Boycott that as well. Clothes you are wearing? Probably also made by a company that is owned by zionists.


No one "owns" Kraft Foods or Pepsi, they are publicly traded companies.






Owns? Sorry, I should have said controls.

I actually own 1,200 shares of pepsi myself



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by Mirthful Me
1.52 billion shares of stock, and 75% is institutionally owned (mutual funds and retirement funds)... The rest is in the hands of private citizens... Even you could own a "slice" of Kraft (I just made a cheese joke).


LOL!

Why wouldn't that be so brilliant if it wasn't so terrible?



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