Obama's First 10 Executive Orders?

Originally posted by bobafett1972
Last time I checked Executive Orders were not laws.

Michael Savage is very amusing though.

You might need to do a little checking there.An executive order can override standing law.

reply to post by Quarantine


Yeah, I'm really going to listen to someone who authored a book titled Liberalism is a Mental Disorder. Thats what I call a credible and competent source!

I don't like Obama, nor am I voting for Obama, but this Michael Savage idiot sure likes to drive home his own agenda by adding in his biased commentary to these executive orders.

Namely:

• Obama, following through on his pledge to “meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe,” signs a non-agression pact with the Hitler of Iran.

This is a problem? Ahmadinejad is the new Hitler, yet we endorse cutting off talks with anyone critical of us, forcing regime change to someone favorable to us, and if all else fails, which through propaganda, it usually does, bomb the hell out of them.

Yeah, the 'bomb first, ask questions later' foreign policy is nothing resembling Hitler, right? Its all justified because we're doing it, right? WE'RE AMERICANS! WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT!

Let me ask you, how many countries has Ahmadinejad bombed or invaded? Counting the last one, none.

How many countries has Bush bombed or invaded? Two, working on a third and possibly fourth.

I'm no math wizard, but I think Bush is slightly closer to Hitler's total than Ahmadinejad.

• Obama removes our troops from Iraq, leaving a power vacuum filled by Iran.

Yes, lets allow our soldiers to continue to die and lets continue to run the US economy in to the ground causing untold amounts of suffering on the part of the American people, who are paying for this war that most of them do not agree with, all to prevent this theoretical power vacuum being supposedly filled by Iran.

That makes so much sense, man! YEAH! I bet Iran needed us to take out Saddam's oh so powerful military, right? Iran couldn't possibly fill any power vacuum with that war machine in the region, so all they need now is for us to leave and they're all set, right?

Is that along the same lines of stupidity as 'we stay over there so the terrorists don't attack us at home'? I'm not sure who made up the rule that terrorists are only allowed to attack us at home if we leave the war, but whoever thought up that BS sure would do Joseph Goebbels proud.

• Obama enacts legislation demanding carbon friendly cars, hammering the final nail in the coffin of the US car industry.

Riiight. Because the US car industry can't possibly make carbon friendly cars, can they? Apparently not.

Oh and one last thing, he claims "Quotes from BarrackObama.com".

In my book, its a rule that if you're going to trash someone for your own benefits and agenda, you should learn how to spell their first name.

[edit on 5/7/08 by NovusOrdoMundi]

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
Namely:


Let me ask you, how many countries has Ahmadinejad bombed or invaded? Counting the last one, none.

I'm no math wizard, but I think Bush is slightly closer to Hitler's total than Ahmadinejad.

[edit on 5/7/08 by NovusOrdoMundi]

Hey genious the little dictator of Iran promised to wipe Israel of the face of the Earth! Is that ok with you?

Originally posted by blimpseeker
Hey genious the little dictator of Iran promised to wipe Israel of the face of the Earth! Is that ok with you?

He said the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.

My my, how far a little propaganda goes.

Ok....Savage is a nut job. This guy makes a living going nuts on anyone that doesn't fit his neocon views. He, like Bill O'reilly, are both pretty much paid to spread a far right wing agenda. It is destructive, it is treacherous, and they pretty much bank on you being only just a little bit too trusting. You see, propaganda is a useful tool because many people fall for it, this is just one more thing being paid for by the Pentagon. Remember, the Pentagon keeps NBC on retainer through GE, as well as many other defense contractors. If they want propaganda to get out to the masses to create false debates they will.

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Umm, okay. Though I thought it couldn't override anything since in the following statement they shouldn't be aloud:

An Executive Order is a Presidential Power not designated by the Constitution.

You know what I see when I read this thread?

The Right Hand Arguing with the Left Hand over which hand is better. All the While the Brain is laughing, because after all he's the best. He's the one REALLY in control.


Silly Puppets, listening to and fighting with other silly puppets.



Coven

Originally posted by drwizardphd
None of those 10 executive orders is that bad. I don't really understand what the problem is. The only way you would have a problem with any of those is if you were an ignorant, self-righteous, sexist, gay-bashing elitist. In fact, every single one of those acts is a progressive move in the right direction. Kudos to "Obama Bin Laden".

Here are the ones I personally have a problem with.

• Obama, following through on his pledge to “meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe,” signs a non-agression pact with the Hitler of Iran.

I wouldn't invade Iran, but I wouldn't let them know that. Big mistake.

• Obama doubles foreign aid to $50 billion to cut “poverty around the world in half by 2015.”

Lets end poverty in America first.

• Obama enacts socialized medicine, destroying small businesses with taxes to pay for illegal alien healthcare.

I am for medical care for Americans. Let the illegals go back to Mexico for their medical care.

• Obama enacts amnesty for illegal aliens.

Send them back home. They are not here for any constructive purpose. They cause more problems than their presence is worth. It is crazy to allow millions of undocumented aliens into a country where we are concerned about terrorism. They can walk across the border with a tactical nuke and destroy Tuscon, Arizona while Bush has us fighting in Iran to make money for his buddies. Bring the troops home and secure the borders with Marine Snipers doing the job they do best.

• Obama enacts legislation demanding carbon friendly cars, hammering the final nail in the coffin of the US car industry.

I am totally against running an entire industry with catch phrases.

I am however in favor of electric cars. I am not in favor of the huge price tags. The average mechanic could put together an electric car from a small vehicle. A five horse lawnmower engine recharges the batteries through an alternator. An electric motor drives the vehicle. I saw this done in the early seventies. Yeah its a poor man's hybrid. The more batteries you have in your bank, the faster and farther you will go. Up to a point when you are hauling around too much lead. Lithium-Ion technology will improve this though.

• Barack Obama enact laws to reinforce affirmative action by funneling money to “women and minority-owned businesses.”

It is time to end this giveaway. Hiring and giving business to somebody solely on race or gender is not right.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by mybigunit
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm not when the patriot act was created and passed it was passed in Oct 2001 when the repubs had control sorry mr straight thinker.

Ummm.......The act was reauthorized in 2006. Who was in control then straight thinker. What happened?

Uh, the Republicans controlled congress when the Patriot Act was renewed in March, 2006. The election wasn't until November, 2006 and the Democrats didn't take control of Congress until January, 2007.

Originally posted by drwizardphd
The only way you would have a problem with any of those is if you were an ignorant, self-righteous, sexist, gay-bashing elitist. .

:shk: Stop smoking Obama's hope-ium

• Obama doubles foreign aid to $50 billion to cut “poverty around the world in half by 2015.”

Who do you think would pay for that?
The overtaxed middle class working Americans!

I'm not ignorant, self-righteous, sexist or a gay bashing elitist.
I just subscribe to the notion that I'm entitled to keep what I earn.

they got it wrong, Obama will have only one "executive order" and that will be to concede to John McCain.

I think we need to forget about Left and Right, Dem or Rep, and realize that they are both factions of the same party or ideology with a few differences mixed in, i.e., Gun Laws, Ideas on Fiscal spending, etc....

If there was actually a difference between the parties, wouldn't the "democrats" have pulled the troops out of Iraq already, or at least started SERIOUSLY cutting down troop levels for this ridiculous war. By the way, none of the candidates right now are going to get us out of that one, including Obama so you can forget about that fantasy for the next 4 years at least!!

The points that the OP makes in this thread about Obama's so-called "change" will do nothing to change our current situation. Take one of those ideas, that being the "federal hate crime legislation" or BS as it should be called....total violation of Free Speech rights, but who cares about that anyway since the Secret Service(Praetorian Guard) can set up Free Speech Zones in AMERICA!! That is fact, look it up if you wish to do so.

So, we need to realize that both of these "parties" do not exist. They serve the interests of certain groups and corporations that follow the party lines and porpaganda spewed out by whichever Resident happens to be in the white house!! Does anyone ever hear any of these candiates talk about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? How we're supposed to actually declare wars with congressional approval and not carry out police actions against countries like Iraq, Nicaragua, etc.?? Are Obama or Hilary or McCain actually going to end the police action in Iraq right now and stop funding it if elected?? Of course not!! Will they stop torturing innocent Muslims in secret prisons around the world?? Of course not!! LOL!! I'm going back to sleep!!

Cheers!
Purduegrad05

[edit on 8-5-2008 by Purduegrad05]

reply to post by nataylor


Thanks for the correction that actually helps me out even more

These are what Michael Savage (who is a raving nutcase & proven liar by the way) thinks are going to be Obama's first ten executive orders, based on his policy positions.

Obama never said "these are going to be my first executive" orders

This is something Michael Savage made up, not a fact.

The extremist right is pulling out all the stops and sinking to new lows in order to try and stop Obama. This kind of lowball deception is just par for the course.

If anything, their obsessive hostility is a sign to me that he must be doing something right


[edit on 5/8/08 by xmotex]

Mike Savage lists some good AND bad Executive Orders as suppositions of a projected win in November. But the race is not decided yet and I won't weigh in on these except to reiterate my own political projections based on current campaigning trends from the Obama camp.

IF Methuselah McCain gets in, we'll need more than 2 terms of office to accomplish the change necessary, he's that slow and methodical. Things may not even get done.

IF Obama bin Laden gets in, we'll see the most idealistic and overblown president yet seated, who'll be wasting America's time with lofty long shots and reaching for his veto pen as often as Congress reaches for its override vote.

IF Hill(Billy) Clint One gets in, we'll see realistic change and progress until challenged by powerful Redudlican party members in Congress. After that it'll be a hesitant President. (Hey I made a funny!)

But seriously, the Prez can only propose, Congress disposes. In Obama's case, the prez will be the dream, Congress the reality. Obamites may then wax chaotic and riot like spoilt children and furthur ruin the change America needs.

I might add that these quotes are not based on the opinion of Michael Savage, but quotes taken directly from BarrackObama.com

Originally posted by qxlb52
Mike Savage lists some good AND bad Executive Orders as suppositions of a projected win in November. But the race is not decided yet and I won't weigh in on these except to reiterate my own political projections based on current campaigning trends from the Obama camp.

IF Methuselah McCain gets in, we'll need more than 2 terms of office to accomplish the change necessary, he's that slow and methodical. Things may not even get done.

IF Obama bin Laden gets in, we'll see the most idealistic and overblown president yet seated, who'll be wasting America's time with lofty long shots and reaching for his veto pen as often as Congress reaches for its override vote.

IF Hill(Billy) Clint One gets in, we'll see realistic change and progress until challenged by powerful Redudlican party members in Congress. After that it'll be a hesitant President. (Hey I made a funny!)

But seriously, the Prez can only propose, Congress disposes. In Obama's case, the prez will be the dream, Congress the reality. Obamites may then wax chaotic and riot like spoilt children and furthur ruin the change America needs.

Even though I'm not voting, I would vote for McCain. Why? Because he may be slow and methodical, but a president is not supposed to play fast and loose. That's stupid, there are lives at stake at all times.

People don't seem to understand what happened to the Soviet Union. It collapsed. Completely. The country lost entire tracts of land, it's powerful military, and it's honor. It was because of Socialism. Communism. Humans cannot manage communism. It will never happen.

And yet, People don't understand what happened. They see it as our fault that they failed. This socialized medicine is wrong. It will maim the US medical value. They will give to crooks and thieves. Mark my words, it will be terrible.

You mentioned Hilliary. She's dangerous. Two words: Second Amendment. I wish I could do an experiment in which two societies where given guns. Then one took away all known guns and gave one to every member of the other society that didn't have a gun. Sit back and observe. Death and crime from the side losing the guns, and a lack of criminals on the gun filled side. Why?

Criminals are cowards. If they suspect someone has a gun, there's no way they're robbing that person. The adverse effect is much worse.

Use your brain. And don't bother. They're all controlled by the same people. It's just a lie. There really is nothing to it.
Jesus better hurry before we all kill each other.

I'm sure this will make all you Obama fanatics happy campers... Not that his NAME has anything to do with it, it's just awfully coincidental.

Originally posted by Quarantine
I might add that these quotes are not based on the opinion of Michael Savage, but quotes taken directly from BarrackObama.com

The parts in quotes are taken from BarrackObama.com. The rest is supposition from Michael Savage. Let's look at exactly what's quoted from BarrackObama.com:

• Obama enacts stronger “federal hate crimes legislation” to “reinvigorate enforcement at the Department of Justice's Criminal Section.”

So we get "federal hate crimes legistation" and "reinvigorate enforcement at the Department of Justice's Criminal Section." We don't know if those quotes are actually connected together into a full idea on BarrackObama.com, just that those two phrases come from there. And I don't see anything particularly bad about reinvigorating "enforcement at the Department of Justice's Criminal Section

• Obama creates “a fund to help people refinance their mortgages and provide comprehensive supports to innocent homeowners.”

Here we have "a fund to help people refinance their mortgages and provide comprehensive supports to innocent homeowners." There's no verb in there, but I guess we can assume Obama would support that. You may disagree with the policy, but I don't see anything particularly objectional about that quote.

• Obama, following through on his pledge to “meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe,” signs a non-agression pact with the Hitler of Iran.

All we have here is "meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe." Nothing wrong with meeting with them, and there's certainly nothing in there that BarrackObama.com indicates that he would sign any non-agression treaties. That's just Michael Savage making it up.

• Obama doubles foreign aid to $50 billion to cut “poverty around the world in half by 2015.”

All we have here is "poverty around the world in half by 2015." Again, no verb. You'd think if Obama really wanted to spend $50 billion, Savage would ahve put that number in quotes. But he didn't, so he's just pulling a number out of thin air.

• Obama removes our troops from Iraq, leaving a power vacuum filled by Iran.

No quote here. Just Michael Savage's opinion.

• Obama enacts socialized medicine, destroying small businesses with taxes to pay for illegal alien healthcare.

No quote here either. More of just Michael Savage's ranting, nothing taken directly from BarrackObama.com.

• Obama enacts amnesty for illegal aliens.

Again, no quote. Just opinion.

• Obama enacts legislation demanding carbon friendly cars, hammering the final nail in the coffin of the US car industry.

No quote here either. Michael Savage continues to put words in Obama's mouth.

• Barack Obama enact laws to reinforce affirmative action by funneling money to “women and minority-owned businesses.”

Here we have "women and minority-owned businesses." And again, no verb. So Obama uses this phrase somewhere on his web site, but the rest is made up by Savage.

• Obama repeals the Bush tax cuts.

No quote here, again.

• Obama enacts the Employment Non-Discrimination Act to entrench the power of the homosexual lobby.

And finally, no quote here, either. Just Michael Savage making a guess.

So, as we can see, these aren't, in total, quotes from BarrackObama.com. When you boil it down to the actual material taken from BarrackObama.com, you can see there's really nothing too bad in there. What we have is an opinion piece from Michael Savage, and that's it. This is not some policy statement direct from Obama himself.

reply to post by Quarantine


No, they're not.

You are either outright lying, or spreading willful ignorance at the very least.

Do you really think Obama put this on his website?:

Obama, following through on his pledge to “meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe,” signs a non-agression pact with the Hitler of Iran.

Find where he says he's going to "sign a non-agression pact" with Iran on his website

He's taking things Obama has said and twisting them around.

You guys really have no shame