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Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Terrorists are the biggest enemy to MUSLIMS! not non-muslims.
[edit on 8-5-2008 by _Phoenix_]
Originally posted by kelbtalfenek
Well you're leaving out one important figure there: George W. Bush. I think he's responsible for a few more Muslim deaths from a state sponsored terroristic war "on terror."
Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Originally posted by kelbtalfenek
Oh and by the way I DO see many muslims stand out against these terrorists, with words! Because that is the only way, violence will not solve this problem. I see muslims on TV telling people these terrorists are not them, they are not muslims. The only problem is people don't see it much, because the news prefers to show us "BAD" stuff all the time.
So remember words are the best way to beat these terrorists, not violence.
[edit on 9-5-2008 by _Phoenix_]
Words work fine when dealing with rational people. These exremeists are anything but rational. Tell me just how would you deal with irrational people that will kill you at first glance. Have no guide to they're lives but violent ends if you don't convert to they're religious beliefs. They will not consider diplomacy for anything but a stalling maneuver in which to further undermine your diplomatic intentions and gain an advantage militarily. Where do you draw the line of becomming homicidal victims. Ghandi knew he was dealing with rational government when he used non-violence. Even the victims of that strugle believed that fact. We today are not dealing with rational entities. They are single minded in they're endevour. We, unfortunatly, have to use violence against violence. Our governments past policies have nothing to do with causing this either. The fanatics in the middle east have had this same litany for centuries.
Zindo
Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to post by _Phoenix_
Well, I guess we'll have to see where your head ends up when they ask you where you stand on the subject of conversion. With your beliefs, I'm sure they will sit down and consider your diplomatic reasoning..right up to and untill they take your head. Good luck with your solution!!
Zindo
Originally posted by ZindoDoone
Detroit, London, Paris, have districts that the police won't go to because of the very real problem of not coming back or inciting riots. Detroit has recognised Sharia law for those districts and so has the French government. Not sure about London but I'm sure they are considering it. Slowly they are whitling away at sovernty of the countries they immigrate to. Its a fact, and it is sickening to those who value they're own country!
Zindo
Originally posted by _Phoenix_
I do admit there are some times where violence is necessary, but what I'm trying to say is that is the last thing to do, and only when it is REALLY necessary.
War is something very nasty, it is something that should be limited to the least amount. Something that should not even be thought about until last priority.
[edit on 10-5-2008 by _Phoenix_]
Originally posted by ZindoDoone
Originally posted by _Phoenix_
I do admit there are some times where violence is necessary, but what I'm trying to say is that is the last thing to do, and only when it is REALLY necessary.
War is something very nasty, it is something that should be limited to the least amount. Something that should not even be thought about until last priority.
[edit on 10-5-2008 by _Phoenix_]
We agree on the last resort. The only thing I think we disagree on is at what point and have we reached it yet. I feel we have, and thats unfortunate because I know war intimately, first hand. Hell doesn't begin to describe it!
Lone
Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to post by Fang
Fang,
Not being in London and having only read that information from our Wall Street Journal. I can't help you. I can only relate what I've read. I tend to accept the information I gleen there as they have in the past been accurate. If I insulted any Londoners ,I apologise. I also seem to remember reading in the Times of London that you indeed do have the problem. So I guess you'll have to research that for yourself!
Zindo