To all you Antichrist-thumpers

The modern idea that the bible speaks of an Antichrist Son of Perdition is false. John is the only person to use the word Antichristos in his two epistles. And everytime he use the word he is talking about the nonbelievers in general. If you don't believe Jesus came in flesh and blood, ie. that he was a historic person, you are the Antichrist. Antichristos simply means "one who oppose/denies Christ". There are many antichrists here at ATS and elsewhere, but this doesn't give any Christian the right to attack them or call them names. Much thanks to JW and their high tower this delusion is all over the net, that the Antichrist is one single person who will rebuild the Temple and defile it. There is no biblical foundation for this, but is based on sulphur-prophecies made by idiots.

I understand exactly what you mean. I think the word "Antichrist" today is still around to describe someones behaviors, intentions, or motives. Nostra Damus (new judas priest double album soon, heard today) has been believed to have seen 1st Napoleon, 2nd Hitler, and 3rd supposed to show up in 1999 New York and attack it. I just ask you to consider my own post and Formlessness1999 in conjunction, junction whats your function. I should have named it prisoner of war in america 21st century. My real name means john in another language.

[edit on 7-5-2008 by P. O. W.]

Originally posted by Neo Christian MysticAntichristos simply means "one who oppose/denies Christ". There are many antichrists here at ATS and elsewhere, but this doesn't give any Christian the right to attack them or call them names.

I 100% agree with this statement.


If I have anything to add, it's that multitudes are misled into believing many fallacies like this one - not just the JW's. In truth, all religious organizations have only watered down versions of the truth or as Job said, "Truth coated lies". The fact is that they are caught in Satan's snare. Please try to have compassion for them and pray for them.

Thankyou for posting this my firend, I completely agree. I have pointed this out to many who like to talk about supposed biblical prophecies of single antichrist dictator who rises to power, and they stare right past you as if you never said a word. The beast is an empire, with a woman/false-church riding it. I'm afraid your post is in vain though, it'll probably be only another 5 minutes until someone posts another thread about the supposed antichirst, but cheers anyway.

I am sorry it went right over my head you might be referring to me and truth 101. I was trying to prove my real identity and not this antichrist image I felt got sentenced to me. They thought I was a copycat of columbine the first possibly or who lived through it. I was trying to get redemption or justice through this or writing about it in books that would help people. Mark of the beast 666 looks like 1999 upside down 6661 and it really bothered me for years all sorts of connections. I emailed truth 101 3 times trying to understand where he was coming from. My name is really john in another language I know this is sort of irrelevant but I called myself john doe and they called me that when they took me to the hospital , and when I woke up complete amnesia not knowing if someone tryed to kill me or if I did or something else. I used to read Spawn comics before they were my favorite. I had sunday school to 4th grade and pop culture references but I was drowning in politics.

Originally posted by doctorex
it'll probably be only another 5 minutes until someone posts another thread about the supposed antichirst, but cheers anyway.

Indeed. Like the prophet said, "their eyes are blinded and their ears are stuffed with cheese" with a little Allo' Allo' additive, cheese.

I have never believed there would be an "antichrist"... some opposite incarnation to God. Nonsense. Truth is love, everything else is the incarnation of our free will, and merely illusion.


God is not a human-like "person" with incredible powers and knowledge, like some kind of superhero. God does not have human "desires" or "plans". He/it is more than we can comprehend, and so entirely different from a human being that to personify him or state his will, plans, desires, goals, or anything else is to ascribe human nonsense to something completely non-human. It's like graffiti over the Mona Lisa.


The best description I've heard of god came in these few words "I am that I am."

Have you forgot that we were created in the image and likeness of God and that we even ate from the of knowledge of good and evil so we became like God, seeing the difference between good and evil. What differs us from God is his science and the fact that he's billions of years old. But he is like us, like a human according to the bible at least. He can walk and talk and do all the things we can, he is just far more wiser than us.

I doubt we could actually count the age of God, since he created the universe, of which time is a part of. He exists outside of time as we know it, his name itself (Yahweh) means the eternal self-existant one.

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My what a self-righteous, self congratulating and insulting post you made here friend.


Anymore intolerant crap you care to decorate the board with?
How you should burn all non-believers at the stake?

Oh oh oh.
I know!!!!!
You need to post a HOW to burn non-believers at the stake!

Seeing as to how all us non-believers are degenerate evil scumbags seeking to destroy your religion.

*please note the sarcasm*

Considering this non-believer has multiple times now argued for your right to believe. And would die for it.




[edit on 9-5-2008 by WraothAscendant]

Originally posted by WraothAscendant
reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic

 

My what a self-righteous, self congratulating and insulting post you made here friend.

Anymore intolerant crap you care to decorate the board with?
How you should burn all non-believers at the stake?

I simply explained what the word Antichristos refers to and you accuse me of witch hunting. That's not fair. I'm not saying anything should be done to an antichrist. He has chosen his path, I have chosen mine. As simple as that.

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Yes but does not your holy book say that one day the "antichrist" will one day try to destroy Christianity???? I am sorry for the annoyed response (but I feel I have a right considering your telling me I am evil and thusly someone will decide I am worthy of death) but the BS like you posted only serves to feed into such events as Witch Trials, it is intolerance pure and simple. And eventually it KILLS.

Besides the fact that your definition is wwwwaaaaayyyy off.

Muslims do not deny Christ. They just don't believe as you do about him.

The religions both share a belief in the virgin birth of Jesus, his miracles and healings, and that he ascended bodily into heaven. However, Jesus is not accepted as the Person of the Son within the Trinity by Muslims, except in the sense of being someone loved by God.

Hindu have similar concepts.

However, there also exist significant similarities in Christian and Hindu theology, most notably in that both religions present a trinitarian view of God. The Holy Trinity of Christianity, consisting of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, is sometimes seen as roughly analogous to the Trimurti of Hinduism, whose members -- Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva -- are seen as the three principal manifestations of Brahman, or Godhead. Others may consider Brahma to be more similar to the demiurge of Christian gnosticism, in that he (at least initially) wrongly thought himself as the "Creator" and also as the highest or even the only god. In this case, the Hindu version of the Trinity could more accurately be seen as Vishnu (Father), Sankarshan or Shiva (Son; or Christ the Logos), and Devi (Holy Spirit). This view is further supported by the perceived intimate connection, or even identity (at least for a time in early and Eastern Christianity) between the feminine Sophia (wisdom) and the gender-neutral Holy Spirit (or, the Virgin Mary in Western Christianity). Sophia is also sometimes seen to represent the Image of God present in the human soul, which is saved from its fallen state by Christ the Logos -- in which case there would be a strong similarity between Sophia and Sita in the Ramayana, who is saved by Hanuman (an incarnation of Shiva) from the demon king Ravana to be reunited with her husband Rama, representing God. In either case, Hindu or Christian, a trinity is generally not seen as polytheistic, but rather as representing three mysteriously distinct aspects of one personal God, or Ishvara.

Source: Christianity & Other religions @ wikipedia.com

Heck. Even Buddhism thinks that he was someone special.
None of which out and out DENY him.

How about knowing at least a little bit more than the Christian perspective of everyone else before you pretend to know?

Most non-believers (me included) don't care what or who you believe in. Just don't spew tripe like this at us or about us.
Live and let live friend.
Don't you think that is what your savior would want?
Rather than more intolerance and blood?

Please note I do not think your a bad person. But crap this stuff, can't float any longer. It only breeds more death.
It goes without saying you believe your beliefs are right. And really only a fool will argue with you about it as you have a right to believe what you want. But calling everyone that does not share your beliefs EVIL is for lack of a better term ignorantly evil and history has shown that time and time again.
Or is a history lesson in order?

Originally posted by WraothAscendant
Yes but does not your holy book say that one day the "antichrist" will one day try to destroy Christianity????

No it doesn't, that it what the OP was trying to point out.

Originally posted by WraothAscendant
reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic

Please note I do not think your a bad person. But crap this stuff, can't float any longer. It only breeds more death.
It goes without saying you believe your beliefs are right. And really only a fool will argue with you about it as you have a right to believe what you want. But calling everyone that does not share your beliefs EVIL is for lack of a better term ignorantly evil and history has shown that time and time again.
Or is a history lesson in order?

Dude, I really think you should go back and read his post. He did nothing of the sort.

[edit on 10/5/08 by doctorex]

I refered to a word used in the two epistles of John and explained what it meant. If you want to continue your selfrightious judgement, how about trying to judging the dictionaries and lexicons, I just quote from them and what the bible says.

If you feel bad about being an antichrist, that's not my problem at all. You have made your choice not to believe in Jesus as a historical person. The bible calls such a person an antichrist, a non-Christian in other words.

Blah.
Doesn't it suck when you realize you messed up and now have to apologize?
Not talking about you of course but me.
But I did not say I did not believe he existed. I am not sure either way and a old book sounds a lot like hearsay to me, but if he did exist I do honor what I think he was trying to teach us (peace, brotherhood, forgiveness, etc). So I am not a Antichrist per-say. And it does not bother me that you think that I am a "Antichrist" other than the obvious connotations you may or may not have meant.

Anyway. On to the apology.
I made a mistake and did not read completely through and then went off at what little I did read. Committing a action that REALLY bugs me when others do it and I have thought up until now that I was rather good at avoiding. I do have reasons but they aren't very good ones, so I won't waste anymore of your time on them.

I was wrong and I apologize.

Now excuse me while I get the taste of foot out of my mouth.


[edit on 10-5-2008 by WraothAscendant]

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
John is the only person to use the word Antichristos in his two epistles.

Yes ... but ....

I remember one place in scripture when Christ was speaking. He said something to this effect (paraphrasing) ... He said that He came in the name of God and was being rejected ... but that 'another would come in his own name and the people would accept him'.

Christ was speaking of the anti-christ in the end times. At least, that is what it seems like.

I don't remember where in scripture that was. Matthew probably (24 or so??) I don't have a bible at the moment to go looking it up.

As for Revelation giving hints about all this ... naaaaaaaah. I'm not a fan of Revelation meaning anything AND it's impossible to interpret. No one has been able to for 2,000 years.

Much of what is believed and confused by alot of people doesn't come from the Bible but from the writings and profecy of Nostrodamus. His referance of"The Man in the Blue Turban". An individual that comes to power over all. I've always found that The 'Torah' ,'The old Testament' and the 'Quran' have so much in common. Always made me think,and it still does, that they where influenced by the same individual! Just my 2 centavos!

Lone

Originally posted by WraothAscendant
Blah.
Doesn't it suck when you realize you messed up and now have to apologize?

[SNIP] I never stepped on you toe, you stepped on your own, if you feel bad being a defined antichrist that's not my problem. How old are you?



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You obviously didn't read the whole thing.
I was apologizing.
Either way.
So be it.
Good night.

Well that was certainly a change from where you lived in this doscusssion