Originally posted by Sublime620

But, again, that's not racism. That's a derivative of the lower class. All throughout history the lower class has been riddled with crime and violence.

That depends dont it? In fact we dont know which criems are race related and which aren't, because the police only look for that kind of info when the perp is white, or the victime is a minority. When black's kills whites though, its just "a crime"

Originally posted by Sublime620
Just understand their position.

I can't understand their position when it puts even the slightest blame on my shoulders.

I wouldn't be very trusting of people either.

You forgot to place white before people in that sentence. If somebody doesn't trust me even though I've done nothing wrong to them, I'm not going to trust them either.

40 years (and that's at most) is how long we have treated them with the respect a human being deserves.

40 years. That's half of a lifetime. That's not very long.

That's 10 years longer than I've been alive. If black men over 40 have issues, they can take it up with white men over 40.

Back on topic, if black people think Obama is going to be some kind of champion for them, I have a feeling they're going to be disappointed and angry with him at the end of his term if elected. Again, he's half white and has made it clear he wishes to transcend the race issue, and he's probably beholden to the same puppet masters as Bush. There will be very little "change".

ok ok ok, how many grown people are on this board? racism is being confused with self identity, I think that racism really should only be used to describe when discriminating on the basis of race only in a negative way, can i use an example of unknowingly or consciously bonding with a self identifying group with no intention of offending anyone? if you go to a classroom on just about any campus, high school or public gathering place, best case example is a high school basketball game, I think people naturally group and follow those whose physical, cultural and lingual characteristics are closest to theirs, hell, gender to me is the greatest example of this, just think of how many women no matter what and because of Hillary's connection to womens lib will only vote for her because of gender identity and going through that struggle, now is that really Sexist? or just women identifying with another woman and being empathetic to that cause finally becoming self fulfilling to have a female candidate.
Now in a civilized society most are supposed be able to overcome that and instantly be able to mingle with any and every color, social class or other dividing line that exists but generally we know that when faced with either adversity or struggle we generally fall back to our own in many instances naturally, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, just don't harbor the idea you are any better than someone else because of that self identifying group.

I really do think a lot of blacks and other people of color, have gone with Obama because they actually see themselves or their own children be it multi ethnic or multi racial, Obama as a symbol or token appeals to so many beyond being black or half black however you want to define it, hell a great majority of the blacks in America are half black and have been mixed at some point back a few generations.

I really do think many blacks voted for Obama because of the historically uphill climb for racial equality and to be considered equal, being able to have a black president defines for many the ultimate realization of equality and speaks to the fact that all men are created equal, dont read too far into the facts and come to conclusions that blacks are racist, thats not a fair accusation, at least not to me.




[edit on 10-5-2008 by phinubian]

Originally posted by phinubian
ok ok ok, how many grown people are on this board? racism is being confused with self identity, I think that racism really should only be used to describe when discriminating on the basis of race only in a negative way, can i use an example of unknowingly or consciously bonding with a self identifying group with no intention of offending anyone?

Sorry, but when you only bond to that group, unelss there is no other chance, thats racism. Anytime a black candidate goes against a white one, blacks vote for the black candidate at ppercentages above 90%. Thats racism.

if you go to a classroom on just about any campus, high school or public gathering place, best case example is a high school basketball game, I think people naturally group and follow those whose physical, cultural and lingual characteristics are closest to theirs, hell, gender to me is the greatest example of this, just think of how many women no matter what and because of Hillary's connection to womens lib will only vote for her because of gender identity and going through that struggle, now is that really Sexist?

Yep, Hit that one sqaure on the head. It is in fact sexism.

or just women identifying with another woman and being empathetic to that cause finally becoming self fulfilling to have a female candidate.

Not sure what you meant by this, but it sounds like a justification for exism to me.

Originally posted by Shazam The Unbowed
Sorry, but when you only bond to that group, unelss there is no other chance, thats racism. Anytime a black candidate goes against a white one, blacks vote for the black candidate at ppercentages above 90%. Thats racism.

Oh thanks, grand ye ole expert.

Again, do you have anything to substantiate that claim with?

Originally posted by Shazam The Unbowed
Yep, Hit that one sqaure on the head. It is in fact sexism.

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^^ Same thing I said the past 10 posts... source? Facts? Anything?

*Edit: Missed a backslash

[edit on 11-5-2008 by Sublime620]

Originally posted by Sublime620
Why do you think liberals want to try to minimize the lower class as much as possible?

HA! what a joke!the liberals created the lower class and maintain it as much as posible so that they can maintain their voting base! THE VICTIM
the victim is the liberals base! they keep the blacks on welfare and dependant on the government by supplying more and more programs for them
"Here let us the liberals take care of you...you know you can't take care of yourself because of everything the WHITE MAN has done to you..por poor baby"

Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans is a prime example of a liberal government at its best. All those "lower class" victims kept waiting for the government to come and save them instead of saving themselves and getting the heck out of dodge when they were told to do so.

Originally posted by blimpseeker
Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans is a prime example of a liberal government at its best. All those "lower class" victims kept waiting for the government to come and save them instead of saving themselves and getting the heck out of dodge when they were told to do so.

I can't even begin to explain the multitude of things wrong with this statement.

Do have any facts to back any of this up or are you just spewing garbage propaganda?

Please, show me a source that says that poor people stayed in New Orleans because they were waiting for the liberals to come...

(ridiculous - good luck finding that source)

Being meaning to post here on this. A fews days ago, when Hillary won W. Virginia, in the many articles downplaying this important primary, all brought up the subject of racism, as to why Obama isn't winning enough blue collar votes. Hillary gets less than 10% of the black vote, and Obama get around 40% of the white vote, and our press questions the motives of the white voters, but not the black voters. This is clearly a double standard. I also like how they bring up the non-college degree part, as if that is an indicator of the caliber of the voters.

Way to go liberal elite, Obama supporting journalists, destroy any and all reasons for blue collar whites to vote democratic.

I could never support Ron Paul, his idea of selling off our nations most important public assets is something I could never support, but third party is the way I am ready to go.