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reply posted on 26-6-2008 @ 08:24 PM by Bigwhammy


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I am familiar with the idea that Elohim is plural. There isa Psalm about the divine council of Gods. I have read some studies by Michael Heiser on that. There is only one creator God and other "Gods" are the Arch angels and angels etc.

I agree there problems with organized religion. But that's mainly due to the depravity of man that the Bible talks about. Anytime you have a group of people even a church people are going to behave like well people.

Science has given us a lot inventions and medicine has cured many diseases and improved out quality of life. It has made it easier. 100 years ago most people worked all day just to eat. We no refrigerators to store food and no electricity of running water. Now we've gotten so smart people don't believe in God. That is a big mistake in my opinion. Science has given us many things but we aren't as accomplished as scientists pretend. We have no idea what makes life - really alive. At best science is only trying to figure out hoe God put things together.



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reply posted on 26-6-2008 @ 10:19 PM by Conspiriology



Originally posted by newday

It is not an accepted idea so no one is willing to put their approval on it, like the idea that the word, "elohym," is actually in the plural, "Gods," not singular, "God."




It is said that way to represent the three personality of the Godhead he is a triune God .

- Con



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reply posted on 27-6-2008 @ 06:04 PM by newday



Originally posted by Conspiriology

It is said that way to represent the three personality of the Godhead he is a triune God .




The trinity is one of my favorite examples of a spell used by the keepers of religion to reduce people to powerlessness.

It is a beguiling like the Jews that followed paul around used, simple religious dogma to bewitch the people of Galatia.

If you accept the teaching your existence is reduced, you lower yourself from a real meaningful and active relationship with the creator in which He is able to effect your reality in definable measurable ways, to one where He is only an intellectual recognition, a philosophical concept alone, a figment of the mind, without the ability or the willingness to interact in the moments of your life in real time with absolute power.

Please bear with me and I will make a point you may find interesting..

Read what is said of the Galatians;

Ga 3:1 - 5

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you...

Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Are ye so foolish?

having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

The idea of the trinity is used to do the same thing to people who begin their relationship with God by simply believing in Him, and then manifesting the evidence which God gives them for their belief, the comforter, the gift of holy spirit.

At a certain level of consciousness it is literary impossible not to, "know," of the existence of God, you may not, "believe," but you do, "know."

Knowing of God is not the issue if you want physical evidence of the reality and existence of God, as far as knowledge goes we are without an excuse.

Believing is required for the spiritual to manifest and produce an effect in the physical, and disbelief is belief, they are the same, just different lines for our belief to follow.

This is why a person can sometimes know next to nothing intellectually, not even be able to read or write, he could have lived in the jungle all his life with no contact to the outside world at all, and yet it is possible for him to do what we would recognize as the impossible.

Logic, knowledge, and reason, are not power spiritually, they are part of the natural world of the material, bio-chemical reactions, which do not and cannot bridge the chasm between the physical and the spiritual, meaningless lifeless thoughts in our mind.

The impossible spiritually is accomplished not by reason and thought, to accomplish a feat by reasoned thought is to use science and natural law to do it.

To manifest the spiritual, is to exhibit supernatural power, that is accomplished by believing.

Mt 17:18 - 20

And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him, and the child was cured from that very hour.

Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?

And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Logic and reason are way over rated in my opinion, because it is by believing that nothing is impossible for us.

Is there anything of any material substance in you thoughts?

The thoughts may be the end result of electrical and chemical reactions, but the ideas you recognize as thought itself is of a non-physical nature, there is nothing of any substance in it.

Thoughts are the product of physical processes.

God is the same, if you entertain the idea there is anything of the material substance of our universe, which is part of the nature of God, then you shut off a line of belief required that allows for God to manifest Himself and His power in your presence, without Him becoming a respecter of persons or of works, because you have failed to sanctify God in your life and keep yourself holy before Him.

The trinity is spiritual pollution a doctrine of the anti-christ spirit.

If you actually incline yourself to the notion and become persuaded and believe that it is the nature of God, then un-holy spiritual power can evidence itself at will to impede you from every walking by faith in God again.

This is what happened to the people of Galatia.

Certain religious Jews used the Law of Moses to bewitch them from the truth, to impede them from living by their believing, getting them to think that if they practiced the law and kept it then God would be with them that way, but that is trying to accomplish by works what can only be done by faith.


The only true way to worship God is by spiritual means, the manifesting of supernatural power, this can only be done by believing, and continuing to follow a certain line of thought to enlarge your believing more and more.

God is everywhere present, this is a line that must be followed to maintain your sanctification, to be separate and holy unto God, so He might reveal Himself in your life..

If you say there is something of us, or of the substance of the physical universe in the nature of God, then you never develop yourself along the line of the Omni presence of God.

The first thing you must believe to walk with God by faith, is that He exists always in real time, He is living and real, you must become fully persuaded of this reality, attain a state of believing, for God to give the evidence of it, which evidence becomes your faith in that regard.

Believing is not faith, believing is a law, faith is the evidence you receive for your belief.

You must carefully consider a certain line of thought to reach the place where you are fully persuaded that it is true, to believe.


If you introduce the idea of the trinity early in a believers spiritual development, it interrupts them before they have become fully persuaded of the true Omni present nature of God,

The trinity leads them down a line of thought to believe there is something of us in God, a line of unbelief that once you become fully persuaded of it, allows for the potential of unholy spiritual power to manifest itself in your life.

What I have said is expressed best by the apostle James in this expanded interpretation of James 4:8a.

Bring yourselves into the moment, acknowledge the presence of God and He will be with you, draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you.


God exists in the moment, He is everywhere present, For this reality to be manifested in your life, and for you to receive evidence of this reality, you must think on it until you believe it.

Teaching the trinity has prevented untold numbers of people down though the ages from manifesting holy spirit power in their lives.

Derailing them before they have gotten to where they need to be in their minds to experience in actuality, in definable measurable ways, the reality of the living ever-present almighty God.

Christianity is responsible for obstructing the working of the Holy Spirit in the lives of billions for thousands of years by propagandizing for demons the two greatest lies ever told, that there is life after death and Jesus is God.

[edit on 27-6-2008 by newday]



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reply posted on 28-6-2008 @ 10:29 PM by newday



Originally posted by Bigwhammy

I am familiar with the idea that Elohim is plural. There isa Psalm about the divine council of Gods. I have read some studies by Michael Heiser on that. There is only one creator God and other "Gods" are the Arch angels and angels etc.




How do you think scripture should be interpreted?

What is your method for interpreting scripture?

Do you agree with these statements?

A man can think of God in his mind as anything, and call God by any name, Jehovah, Vishnu, the spaghetti monster, or even Satan, it does not matter to the creator, because He knows if the man is looking to Him honestly and no other, regardless of how the man thinks.

God looks upon the motives in our heart not the thoughts in our heads.


Originally posted by Bigwhammy

I agree there problems with organized religion. But that's mainly due to the depravity of man that the Bible talks about. Anytime you have a group of people even a church people are going to behave like well people.




What you are saying I understand, but it is not the full extent of situation, in my opinion.

The word religion as defined today has evolved in such a way that its meaning is an attempt to express two competing notions side by side at the same time, the ideas of government and belief.

Religion is thought to mean a belief in God and a system of worship, a system governing ones belief in God.

True worship does not have a system it has a process.

If God exists in reality, or is literally living and real, than to believe that is not religious in any way.

God can fully communicate His will, to any individual person or group of people at anytime and in anyplace.

If He exists and indeed is the force bringing people together, how is it religious?

People who hear and follow God are connected to the spiritual mind.

They must first deceive themselves and decline to the mind of the flesh, the natural mind, before they can be deceived by others.

Both religion and science are the product of the natural mind.

All of this world, all the governing systems, political, religious, social, economic, they are being manipulated from within, by men without a conscience using natural means, using religion, science, propaganda, and deceptions.

There is the natural mind, and the spiritual mind.

The spiritual mind is aware of itself and the natural mind, the natural mind knows only of itself and is not aware of the spiritual mind.

People who do not walk by the spirit are blind, all they know is what they are able to garner by way of their five senses, seeing, hearing smelling, tasting, touching.

They are cut off from receiving information, revelation knowledge, from within by the sprit.

Just as we are born of God, and there are children of the living God, so to are there those who are born of the devil, the children of the devil.

They exploit natural laws and nature, to manipulate and deceive all those who depend on their five sense for their information, those who will not look at life from the spiritual, using the eyes of the spirit.

The natural man cannot know the things of the spirit of God, because they are discerned by spiritual means, the things of the sprit are foolishness to the mind of the flesh.

This is where all the problems come from the two minds that are available, the spiritual mind and the natural mind.


Originally posted by Bigwhammy

Science has given us a lot inventions and medicine has cured many diseases and improved out quality of life. It has made it easier. 100 years ago most people worked all day just to eat. We no refrigerators to store food and no electricity of running water. Now we've gotten so smart people don't believe in God. That is a big mistake in my opinion. Science has given us many things but we aren't as accomplished as scientists pretend. We have no idea what makes life - really alive. At best science is only trying to figure out hoe God put things together.




Science is a deception, it offers power in part to keep you from completely escaping governmental control, from leaving the need for religion and discovering spiritual power.

It is born out of religion, as an effort by the rulers of this world not to loose their grip over our minds and our lives, when we decide not believe them and accept their authority.

Religion requires we deny the power of God and accept the doctrine of men in its place and for our guidance.

When we began to see we were being deceived and moved away from religion, science came out to greet us with bribes, saying we will give you power that religion can not.

Science allows us to escape religion but does not promote us to archive the true freedom of the full and complete power available in the spirit, so that we might be self sufficient having God, without any need of any government control from this world, we would have God to govern us all directly by revelation and to supply all our needs by supernatural manifestations.

All power in all, true spirituality would rule our lives individually, bringing us together for our shared benefit when required, without the need for men to limit and control our movements, outside the ability of others to rule over us, joined together in the spiritual mind of God..

Science offers bread crumbs denying us access to the loaf, keeping us distracted looking at life by our five senses, away from the things of the spirit of God.

Eph 1:18-19

The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of his calling, and what is the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Science and religion are used to keep our eyes from being enlightened to the exceeding greatness of His power.

The power of true spirituality.



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reply posted on 29-6-2008 @ 12:42 AM by Conspiriology


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I totally disagree and rather than explain why, I will ask you first before going into all that I just won't waste time on some people and one of those are members of the cult called Jehovah's witnesses, so are you a JW?

No of course not, you don't subscribe to any religion that uses the Bible do you. It's ok, a lot of people have a problem with the concept of the trinity but saying it is of the anti christ and all that other stuff my "religion" has also taught me.

Religion is not "ALWAYS" wrong about God.

Before you say you didn't say that they are, let me tell you, you haven't said a thing that would indicate otherwise and all you have appeared to me as is a person who has a special gift but it is the gift that is special but you are not that special to me. My Bible is my standard of truth and what it says about a triune God was what I understand without anyone telling me that is what it means. If you are suggesting that part of the Bible is incorrect and was added to control people,, lets not waste another moment and agree to disagree because it is at that moment we are done.

Yeah im closed minded like that

and like you are like that

- Con





[edit on 29-6-2008 by Conspiriology]



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reply posted on 4-7-2008 @ 05:30 PM by Bigwhammy


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A man can think of God in his mind as anything, and call God by any name, Jehovah, Vishnu, the spaghetti monster, or even Satan, it does not matter to the creator, because He knows if the man is looking to Him honestly and no other, regardless of how the man thinks. God looks upon the motives in our heart not the thoughts in our heads.



I agree God judges the heart more than the vocabulary. But I believe the scriptures in the Bible when God says he care deeply about his name. To call the name of Satan would be a direct blasphemy in my opinion. Thoughts are things and we are responsible for disciplining our thinking.




What you are saying I understand, but it is not the full extent of situation, in my opinion. The word religion as defined today has evolved in such a way that its meaning is an attempt to express two competing notions side by side at the same time, the ideas of government and belief. Religion is thought to mean a belief in God and a system of worship, a system governing ones belief in God. True worship does not have a system it has a process.



But we are called in scripture to be the "body of Christ" to work together. No one exists in complete isolation. Relationships with others is where the rubber meets the road as a far as morality goes.




Science is a deception, it offers power in part to keep you from completely escaping governmental control, from leaving the need for religion and discovering spiritual power.

It is born out of religion, as an effort by the rulers of this world not to loose their grip over our minds and our lives, when we decide not believe them and accept their authority.





I dont' know newday. 100 years ago the average person had to work all day just to keep food on the table. You had to grow it , raise it or hunt it. It was work just to survive. I am glad science came around and gave use refrigerators and ovens and electricity. If it wasn't for science you probably would be so busy trying not to starve you wouldn't have time to come up with these ideas. That's why only the rich aristocrats were the philosophers, theologians and scientists last century. everyone else was too bust trying to survive.



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