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Conspiracy Against The U.S, From Within (corruption of a Nation)

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posted on May, 7 2008 @ 08:39 PM
reply to post by Rumrunner
I'm having problems too, it keeps switching over to a different page when i'm writing a post (twilight zone music plays). Maybe the ptb don't want this particular post to continue. Well if you stop having problems hope you'll come back and post some of your views.

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 08:43 PM
Hi, Sizzle:

Sorry I didn't reply sooner on my original post, but one of my kids was pitching for his first time ever in little league and he did AWESOME.

ANyway, I want to thank you for nor discounting the idea I proposed in the "The Way to Start the Revolution" post.

But I do need help in figuring out how the citizens who opt out of the current government could still enjoy the systems that aren't quite broken under the current government (I'm talking about the nation's infrastructure, which is becoming worse by the day, due to funding issues, I'd guess).

I need help in figuring out specifics on how this COULD REALLY WORK.

Maybe an outline to start? Which would be a Preamble to the Constitution of the Parallel Government. Maybe it'd be something to the effect of "We the People of the United States of America" or something.

We need to come up with an actionable plan, where as I only posted the very initial idea of what could be.

So help me out if you have the time and energy.


posted on May, 7 2008 @ 08:46 PM
I'm not entirely sure, but I think that a lot of the nation's infrastructure is funded not by income tax, but by taxes on gasoline and local/municipal/property taxes, so that aspect of it may not even be a concern, as monies generated under the parallel government's economy would be of greater value than the "Old Government's" currencies.

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 08:53 PM
reply to post by cryingindian

Thank you for taking the time out from your very active thread to join us here. I believe these issues go hand-in-hand.
There is an active member here who has contributed some of the most wise and inspiring ideas that I have seen in awhile. Read back over Chise61's entries here.

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 08:56 PM
The Hippies were never a threat to NWO, in fact they were very liberal and basically supported Communism, which is NWO.

You could same the same about Rap artists today, it has no bearing on where things are going or have been headed.

The only way to put a real dent in NWO is to boycott Walmart.

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 09:00 PM
reply to post by jetxnet

You bring forth a very good point. Thank you.
I am hearing this suggestion more and more.
Would you elaborate more on why Wal-mart would be an essential factor?

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 09:10 PM
Guys, it would really help me personally if you seperated your post a little bit with paragraphs. I look at computer screens all day at work and the huge chunks of text turn me off.

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 10:03 PM
Here are some facts on fluoride in your drinking water:

Dr. Mercola - "In 2005, eleven unions within the EPA publicly called for a ban of water fluoridation, over concerns that it may cause bone cancer. And in 2006, the American Dental Association warned mothers about using fluoridated water to mix their powdered baby formula. Now, finally, the U.S. Department of Agriculture is developing software to try to assess just how much fluoride you’re ingesting, citing new findings that cumulative fluoride intake might lead to painful skeletal fluorosis. Yet despite long-standing, ever-mounting evidence of fluoride's hazard to human health, the CDC still clings to its outdated recommendation to add fluoride to drinking water in order to protect your oral health. Even though it was a lie, right from the start.

90 percent of the fluoride added to your drinking water is hydrofluoric acid -- a compound of fluorine that is a chemical byproduct of aluminum, steel, cement, phosphate, and nuclear weapons manufacturing. Fluoride is also the active toxin in rat poisons and cockroach powder. It is nothing but a carcinogenic industrial waste product, passed off on the public as a “nutrient” with necessary health benefits, to benefit the nuclear arms, aluminum, and phosphate manufacturers financially, to the tune of about $ 10 billion per year. Aided, of course, by your federal health agencies, controlled by political interest." more

Barry Grove's book, Fluoride: Drinking Ourselves to Death, exposes the "science" that has successfully promoted water fluoridation for what it is: bluff, propaganda, and lies. Fluoride is a poison--more poisonous than lead, slightly less poisonous than arsenic. It is cumulative and collects in bones and tissues, not just the teeth. Numerous studies done on animals point out the obvious dangers. Other studies have shown increased rates of cancer, osteoporosis, and other diseases. Dr. Albert Schatz, who discovered the antibiotic streptomycin, said in 1982 that "fluoridation is the greatest fraud that has ever been perpetrated." Yet other studies of tens of thousands of children show that it isn't even effective at preventing cavities and is an extremely poor delivery system even if it were effective. Like it or not, your government sometimes lies to you. Groves points out the fact that fluoridation is nothing more or less than a huge government-sponsored lie, conveniently spun so that the super-phosphate industry can rid itself of harmful toxic waste that is illegal and dangerous to release into the air but suddenly becomes a magical "elixir of good teeth" when added to our drinking water.

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 10:13 PM
More info on fluoride dangers and health risks from a different source:

From a risk assessment perspective, all these brain effect data are particularly compelling and disturbing because they are convergent. We looked at the cancer data with alarm as well. There are epidemiology studies that are convergent with whole-animal and single-cell studies (dealing with the cancer hazard), just as the neurotoxicity research just mentioned all points in the same direction. EPA fired the Office of Drinking Water's chief toxicologist, Dr. William Marcus, who also was our local union's treasurer at the time, for refusing to remain silent on the cancer risk issue (9). The judge who heard the lawsuit he brought against EPA over the firing made that finding - that EPA fired him over his fluoride work and not for the phony reason put forward by EPA management at his dismissal. Dr. Marcus won his lawsuit and is again at work at EPA. Documentation is available on request.

The type of cancer of particular concern with fluoride, although not the only type, is osteosarcoma, especially in males. The National Toxicology Program conducted a two-year study (10) in which rats and mice were given sodium fluoride in drinking water. The positive result of that study (in which malignancies in tissues other than bone were also observed), particularly in male rats, is convergent with a host of data from tests showing fluoride's ability to cause mutations (a principal 'trigger' mechanism for inducing a cell to become cancerous) (e.g.11a, b, c, d and data showing increases in osteosarcomas in young men in New Jersey 12, Washington and Iowa 13) based on their drinking fluoridated water. It was his analysis, repeated statements about all these and other incriminating cancer data, and his requests for an independent, unbiased evaluation of them that got Dr. Marcus fired.

Bone pathology other than cancer is a concern as well. An excellent review of this issue was published by Diesendorf et al. in 1997 (14). Five epidemiology studies have shown a higher rate of hip fractures in fluoridated vs. non-fluoridated communities (15a, b, c, d, e). Crippling skeletal fluorosis was the endpoint used by EPA to set its primary drinking water standard in 1986, and the ethical deficiencies in that standard setting process prompted our union to join the Natural Resources Defense Council in opposing the standard in court, as mentioned above.

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 10:20 PM
Still not convinced? Read more:

Another 1998 publication by Varner, Jensen and others (4) reported on the brain- and kidney damaging effects in rats that were given fluoride in drinking water at the same level deemed "optimal" by pro-fluoridation groups, namely 1 part per million (1 ppm). Even more pronounced damage was seen in animals that got the fluoride in conjunction with aluminum. These results are especially disturbing because of the low dose level of fluoride that shows the toxic effect in rats -rats are more resistant to fluoride than humans. This latter statement is based on Mullenix's finding that it takes substantially more fluoride in the drinking water of rats than of humans to reach the same fluoride level in plasma. It is the level in plasma that determines how much fluoride is "seen" by particular tissues in the body. So when rats get 1 ppm in drinking water, their brains and kidneys are exposed to much less fluoride than humans getting 1 ppm, yet they are experiencing toxic effects. Thus we are compelled to consider the likelihood that humans are experiencing damage to their brains and kidneys at the 'optimal' level of 1 ppm.

In support of this concern are results from two epidemiology studies from China (5,6) that show decreases in I.Q. in children who get more fluoride than the control groups of children in each study. These decreases are about 5 to 10 I.Q. points in children aged 8 to 13 years. Another troubling brain effect has recently surfaced: fluoride's interference with the function of the brain's pineal gland. The pineal gland produces melatonin which, among other roles, mediates the body's internal clock, doing such things as governing the onset of puberty. Jennifer Luke (7) has shown that fluoride accumulates in the pineal gland and inhibits its production of melatonin. She showed in test animals that this inhibition causes an earlier onset of sexual maturity, an effect reported in humans as well in 1956, as part of the Kingston/Newburgh study, which is discussed below. In fluoridated Newburgh, young girls experienced earlier onset of menstruation (on average, by six months) than girls in non-fluoridated Kingston (8).

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 10:25 PM
Some facts about childhood vaccines and links to autism:

In 1982, when I joined with Kathi Williams, Jeff Schwartz and other parents of DPT vaccine injured children to begin this work, my first-born son, Christian, was just a toddler. Chris had started saying words at seven months and was speaking in full sentences by age two. At the time of his fourth DPT shot, when he was two and a half years old, he knew the upper and lower case alphabet, numbers up to 20, and was identifying words in the books we read together. His ability to concentrate was unusual for a toddler and one doctors told me he was gifted.

Within four hours of his fourth DPT and oral polio vaccinations, I walked into his room and found him sitting in a chair staring straight ahead, his face pale and drawn. I watched his eyelids flutter, his eyes roll back, and his head fall to his shoulder, and I remember thinking that I had never seen him suddenly fall asleep sitting up before. Not knowing that what I had just witnessed was a convulsion and collapse shock, two classic DPT vaccine reactions, I also did not know that his deep sleep for nearly six hours that afternoon and into the evening was not just a very long nap, it was a state of unconsciousness. Like most mothers, I knew absolutely nothing about vaccine reactions and so I did not know that my son was in danger of dying that day.

And in the days and weeks after that shot, when Chris no longer could identify the alphabet or numbers and had no interest in his beloved books, when he never smiled anymore, could not concentrate for more than a few seconds at a time, would frustrate easily and cry for no reason; when he was so sick with continuous respiratory, ear and throat infections and unrelenting diarrhea that left him so weak and emaciated that one specialist thought he might have cystic fibrosis or celiac disease; when Chris became a totally different child physically, mentally and emotionally, I believed the pediatricians when they told me it was just a stage he was going through and not to worry about it.

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 10:31 PM
Statistics on vaccines and related risks:

So, instead of the 12,000 reports that VAERS receives every year, there could be more than 1.2 million vaccine-associated health problems following vaccination every year and no way to evaluate how many of these are causally related to vaccinations or end in death or disability. Even with substantial underreporting, one of the newest vaccines - hepatitis B - has generated more than 25,000 reports to VAERS with 1 in 3 adverse events ending in a trip to the emergency room, a life-threatening episode, hospitalization or permanent disability. For children under 14, one in two hepatitis B vaccine adverse event reports fall into this serious category.

The task of properly evaluating the possible negative impact of a given vaccine on the public health is complicated by the CDC policy of recommending simultaneous administration of multiple vaccines to children, a policy which has also been applied to adults, including soldiers heading for the Gulf War. As was illustrated by the recent rollback of the CDC policy of vaccinating all newborn infants with hepatitis B vaccine at birth, the cumulative effects of mercury contained in many childhood vaccines is just one possible safety hazard connected with the practice of multiple vaccination of babies whose immune and neurological systems are still developing. Just two weeks ago, a vaccine manufacturer announced it was ready to market a 5 in 1 shot - five vaccines in one shot. When a reaction occurs after that shot, who can tell which vaccine it was?

While our grandparents were required to get only one vaccine to control one deadly and highly infectious disease - smallpox - children today are required by law to receive 33 doses of 10 different viral and bacterial vaccines before entering kindergarten. Unlike smallpox, which was the deadly, highly contagious disease that set the precedent for mandatory vaccination, children today are being required to be vaccinated for hard-to-catch adult diseases like hepatitis B and forgenerally mild diseases such as chickenpox. And there are 200 morevaccines being created, including an AIDS vaccine that one federal
vaccine policymaker said will be targeted for use by all 12 years olds. Because public health and safety is measured not just by the absence of infectious disease but also by the absence of chronic disease, there are new questions being raised about how much we really know about the cumulative impact of mass vaccination policies on the public health. We know that the achievement of a 98 percent vaccination rate among all five year olds over the past three decades has dramatically suppressed infectious diseases such as polio, pertussis and measles, but we know very little about whether mass vaccination with multiple vaccines has played a significant role in the doubling of cases of asthma and learning disorders; the 273 percent increase in autism; the tripling of diabetes or the unexplained increases in arthritis, chronic fatigue or other autoimmune disorders in the baby boomer generation.

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 10:33 PM

Originally posted by sizzle
...what you think has added to the down fall of our country or if you think we even have a problem.

I've already given my (historically researched) opinion of how the seeds for the destruction of our Constitutional Republic had been laid way back in the beginnings of known human civilization. I just don't think it would be worth the waste of ATS space to re-print it here, instead of simply linking to it.

Originally posted by sizzle
...ideas on how we might correct or improve the status of our nation.

For one (& probably the single biggest) thing is that the People should unite & stand up to the government to enforce the Constitution. As quoted by Thomas Jefferson, "The People...are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
In a nutshell, The Constitution is actually a "contract of employment" where the People are the employers & the government is the employee. We The People are the boss...And I have never heard of any company that would not conduct severe disciplinary action against such errant employees. We could start by enforcing the terms of their legally-binding vows to act within the terms of their "contract," as per Article 2, Section 1, Clauses 8 & 9 for the President and Article 6, Clause 3 (for all other State & Federal Offices) & how they've all been in violation of Article 4, Section 4 (the guarantee of a Republican form of government).

Another problem that seems to have slipped through the (media) cracks; It's also a somewhat old story for which I have trouble finding any real updates. How many people remember the siege of Ed & Elaine Brown?
It seems that the couple had barracaded themselves within their home & refuse to submit to authorities until someone can truthfully "show them the Law" that resulted in conviction for tax crimes. It seems that there's an inordinately large number of such stories that occur...The media (& the public) seems to forget such important issues far too quickly & frequently.
Here's some links to more info, but I haven't found anything more recent.
Paul Mitchell files notice on US Marshal in the case of Ed and Elaine Brown
Police, SWAT Team Surround Ed Brown's Property
There's extensive research of the Tax Laws & Codes at the Supreme Law Firm and We the People Foundation (especially if you look back into their archives).

Originally posted by sizzle
I believe that we can restore this country, one way or another. Tea, any one?

I love tea, although I more often drink soda..."Just say No to aspartame."

From what I see of the current "plan" to turn this into a nation of slaves, just look at the coincidence of these events:
The massive outsourcing of industrial & service jobs to foreign countries; More Americans out of work with only "military recruitment" being left as a choice.
The massive illegal invasion of civilian foreigners.
The refusal to enforce Immigration Laws, resulting in open borders.
The fact that most of the active military is stationed overseas.
Fiercer attacks against the First & Second Amendments.
Bush's approval for use of torture.
Consistent use of smokescreen "immunities" to prevent retribution for crimes committed by the government.
It seems to me that Bush is gearing up to declare Martial Law just before the next elections...Anyone looking at these warning signs have any comments about this?

Originally posted by sizzle
Try using the 'Save Draft' feature, before posting. If that doesn't work, alert a mod to the problems.

I normally keep a word processor (pretty much any one will do) so I can copy/paste quotes, type my thoughts, organize my links, etc. before I actually make my post. If something happens to my IP link or my web browser, I still have it all in the word processor until I get things straightened out.

Originally posted by RabbitChaser
Here's your conspiracy from within...

Dual Citizenship -- Loyal to Whom?

This is why the Constitution has several clauses that forbid foreign titles & restrict certain Offices from accepting foreign nationals (even if Naturalized for US Citizenship).

Originally posted by SpaceBits
...If he's a christian he should have no problems saying it

Well, the Constitution specifically forbids any test of religion as qualification for Office...But it does require a legally-binding Oath to obey the Constitution itself! That's where the corruption is obviously evident!

Originally posted by cryingindian
Maybe an outline to start? Which would be a Preamble to the Constitution of the Parallel Government. Maybe it'd be something to the effect of "We the People of the United States of America" or something.

IMO, we don't need a new Constitution, but stricter adherence to the original one.

Hello again, Sizzle.

About the floridation issue, I've seen a lot of info about it already...One point that's stuck out in my mind the most is that, while it's okay for use on the teeth, it was never good for ingestion! That's when the most serious problems occur, when used it the wrong way...Thus it can be easily seen how bad it is to force people to ingest it with the water.

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 10:35 PM
dHi Sizzle

Part 1: The NWO model

NWO architects (Bush, Bill Clinton, Obama) want a world government with select large Corporations running everything. It is basically a Communist model of government, but insead of a state-controlled government, everything is Corporate controlled. In short, Corporations are the ruling government. You work for one of them, just like in a Communist model of government (you work for the state).

These objectives became clear somewhere around the 1960s. Bush Sr. was head of CIA at the time and has given a speech on NWO and why it would benefit everyone. JFK spoke out against it late in his Presidency, stating that it is no longer a government for the people and would lead to serious problems.

Part II: NWO Strategy, setting NWO in motion

The first priority of NWO was to get certain US corporations steam rolling in money. If these corporations are to rule the world under one government, they must have the most money and thus influence and control. How were NWO architects going to do this? A big, big task as these companies were merely making the same amount year after year and getting bested from time to time by Japanese companies.

The answer, China's 1 billion person market. The largest untapped market in the world. NWO architects saw what they believed to be a huge opportunity in getting access to that market. NWO architects needed to come up with a plan and they did. The first thing to do was shift all US cheap labor in Taiwan to the People's Republic of China (Communist China).

Starting with the George Bush Sr. administration, the diplomatic relations with China increased considerably. George Bush set the stage for who the Bush's would later call their adopted son, Bill Clinton. George Bush Sr. recommended China to become part of the World Trade Organization (WTO), but didn't happen until Clinton paved the way.

China in 1992 was still a third-world economy/military and was no threat to US National Security or interests in Asia at the time. China wanted to become a world power, so when the Clinton administration came to the PRC Government, they were more than welcomed. Chinese officials could see the greed written all over the faces of Bill Clinton and Al Gore everytime they visited China. For China, it was a win/win situaion. They could now "hang the US by its own rope" by using the greed of her leaders against her. Soon, deals were made for US businesses to come in and set up shop. So it begins, the Chinese economic boom in the 1990s.

Part III: China's "Peaceful Rise" and the Clinton administration

From 1992-2000, China used and abused the United States for economic and military gain like no other country had done before (I.E. Japan before WWII). China had done a full-court press during the 1990s while the time was ripe and the technology for the taking. The Clinton administration looked the other way whle the Chinese spies stole Nuclear Secrets (at Los Alamos Nuclear Labs) and helped US companies transfer technology to China illegally against the US Government's strict export controls on sensitve technologies. For campaign contributions, Bill Clinton temporarily moved the export control regulations on sensitive technologies to the Justice Department from the State Department. This way, he could sign Affidavits allowing Laural and Hugh Space Corporation to sell China Satellite, Encryption, Missle Guidance and Jamming technologies. China not only began to boom economically, but militarily. China was now buying advanced weapons from Russia with their new income and starting to replicate US products and reselling them for cheaper to other countries under a Chinese label.

Companies moving into China from the US for sweat shop labor and no property taxes was now going at a steady alarming rate. US companies were getting richer, but so was China. So many products were now being made in China, that one place started coming out of the woodwork. A company called Walmart.

Part IV: A big NWO mistake, Walmart and huge trade imbalance

As Walmart, already selling many products for NWO companies, started making more contracts with other US companies moving into China. Walmart, like any good monopoly, saw the opportunity to become America's one-stop-shop for low priced items. NWO architects helped and welcomed Walmart into the scope of things as it would further create a larger gap between America's hgher class "Elitists" and lower class hard working slaves. As Walmart became more powerful along with NWO corporations in China, the Middle Class in America began to shrink.

Thirty-percent of China's cut of every dollar spent at Walmart goes to the Chinese military. Something NWO architects didn't expect and wasn't quite going as planned either. NWO architects thought eventually China would cave into Capitalism and become leader of what they would call the "Asian Union". The US would have control because now China is Capitalist. Not the case at all, China is still Communist at the core and only simulating a Western economy to fullfill China's Strategic Moderization Objective which aims to first displace the US in Asia after sufficient military build-up.

While China and the US pretend to work together, China's booming economy is killing the US economy in yet another way, and that is by Oil consumption. China's demand for Oil has increased significantly and caused higher prices around the world due to the increased demand. Again, something NWO architects didn't expect, but are still able to benefit from, as many of the Oil corporations are also NWO companies.

Part V: Rising Oil prices and the build-up of Iran

Rising Oil prices because of increased demand, stemming from China's booming economy, is making the radical Islamic nation of Iran alot more money. Iran is the second leading Oil supplier in the world. Iran poses a big problem for US NWO architects as the Middle East is the key to the Black Gold. The US must control this region, because if doesn't, China eventually will. China will seek new relationships and acquire new resources as their thirst for Oil increases.

Because China isn't caving into Capitalism, China is now a competitor of the US and her leaders, not only in Asia for the Asian market and trade, but now for Oil in the Middle East and Africa. China is building up Iran and Syria's Nuclear programs through North Korea to stave off the US from acquiring access ....

[edit on 8-5-2008 by jetxnet]

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 10:53 PM
reply to post by MidnightDStroyer

Thank you for joing the discussion MD,
I value your wise input. I have intertwined many topics of interest into this one thread that have probably been covered many times on the ATS board.
I have a motto, "Repetition is everything."
But that is not the only reason. I hope to gather enough evidence in one thread to get the attention of the American public and say, "It is time to wake up!" We are victims of a cold calculating government who considers it's citizens, nothing more than slaves or lab rats. It has been said that at least 2/3 of the world's population has to be disposed of in order for the PTB to have their Utopian lifestyle.
Are we going to let them make the decision of who dies and who lives? Do we still have a choice?

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 10:59 PM
Hi Sizzle:
I deeply appreciate the time and effort you put into this brilliantly researched thread. You brought many different subjects together all in one thread - kudos! I also applaud your efforts to try to get people to wake up.
Thanks for creating a great thread.

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 11:22 PM
I was asked earlier by CryingIndian for an outline of ideas.
I do have some ideas. First, I need to call in the help of another ATS member for some help, that will aid in some privacy issues.

I was reading a post of hers some time ago, and she has some really great ideas for doing this. After I line this up with her, I will post here and we can go forth with more realistic approaches.

No, I do not have plans to overthrow the guv or anything, but I wish for people to be able to speak freely without fear of repercussions. An expression of ideas, (if you will).

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 11:27 PM
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Hey sizzle, i'd like to give you my opinoin about walmart, i'll try to make it short & sweet. Personally i won't shop there and this is why. A couple of years ago i watched a show on pbs about walmart. Walmart has bullied many companies into outsourcing american jobs to China, by refusing to carry products that are not made in China.Basically what they are told is move your manufacturing sites to china to keep our prices low our we won't do business with you. Being that walmart has become so big most companies felt they had no choice, and hey it saved them tons of money too right, so what the heck. The American people saw cheaper prices and not much else, they didn't seem to stop and think about why the prices were so much cheaper and the impact that it would have on our economy. Sure they have cheaper prices, but now we don't have jobs, so who has the money to shop. And btw do you notice that nice little circle they made, people shop walmart for cheaper prices, they become more powerful, better able to bully companies into outsourcing american jobs, we have less jobs therefore less money, so we continue to shop at walmart because that's all we can afford, just keeps goin in circles. Also the way i hear it part of the nwo's agenda is to turn us into a country of slaves, walmart seems to be helping them right along now don't they, wonder what thier agenda is?

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 11:45 PM

Originally posted by cryingindian
[Guys, it would really help me personally if you seperated your post a little bit with paragraphs. I look at computer screens all day at work and the huge chunks of text turn me off.] Understandable. Sorry i know i'm one of the one's that write posts all in one paragraph. I try to seperate it, but it always messes up when i try, i suck on computers, sorry.

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 11:54 PM
reply to post by MidnightDStroyer
Sorry for going off topic. I just wanted to say that i truely enjoy reading your posts as they are so informative, and very well written.

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