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Homeland Security Update: Chertoff Says New Laws Needed

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posted on May, 6 2008 @ 06:09 PM
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People, people! Borders? We don't need no stinkin' borders! They are not guarded because they want us not to get the idea that the borders matter....,

Come on..., think of the business?? Isn't that all that really matters? Isn't it?

[/sarcasm




posted on May, 6 2008 @ 06:52 PM
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Well... we DO need a new constitution.

We need a constitution that guarantees us all of the rights we currently enjoy, but it needs to be modernized to address new technologies that didn't exist when some of the older amendments were written.

And I'll also agree that the authority of the people running the government should never be questioned, and that should also be included in the new constitution. However, since I feel that the CITIZENS should be the ones considered running the government, whilst the government merely represents those citizens, an entirely different tone should be taken from this belief than what Chertoff has in mind.

Furthermore, there are certain needs in life which are of great importance which are not given to us in the constitution. We have the right to own guns, but not food? Ever notice that one?



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 06:58 PM
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We need a constitution that guarantees us all of the rights we currently enjoy...


And what would those rights be? The only reason we are still allowed to speak freely on here is because our voices are drowned out by the MSM, the public thinks we are a bunch of wackos, and the government is keeping tabs for the day they will finally silence the last dissenting voices.



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 07:18 PM
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We dont need a new constitution we need to follow the one that was written. The constitution was written beautifully. When you read it the checks and balances it was done great. The problem is we have strayed so far from it and people still think we actually live by it they think we need a new one when its the opposite.

Jack your right that is why we have free speech because the MSM does drown us out and make us look like psychos. Very well put.



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 07:58 PM
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Chertoff promises to only keep kicking you till you stop twitching.

So please everyone, because Chertoff is merciful like no other man:
To make this as painless as possible just lie very very still and let him administer security as only he understands it must be done!

Chertoff's definition of privacy, what is left after the team of dogs has finished chewing on your bones.



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 08:25 PM
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I think you may be mistaken about needing a 'new' constitution. The constitution is new.., that is, it always should be. As a living document it is a representation of the will of those who abide by it. The founding fathers knew that unforeseen challenges would rise frequently as we mature as a nation. We can change it as it suits us.

But the trick is to write about things which transcend technology. For example. privacy is privacy..., it doesn't matter if your talking about peering over your fence, reviewing your mail, tracking your cell phone, or stalking you. The technology by which your 'inalienable' rights are violated don't make it any less a violation.

Our rights are, by our own declaration, not a 'gift' or 'privilege' that comes to us virtue of the government's largess. These things are ours. You know, liberty, freedom from oppression, that sort of thing that seems to be so inherently terroristic to our corporate junta government.

The sad part is, we are seeing someone begin to 'officially' imply by direct expression, that as citizens, we need to 'chill' and be led by the government, and be complacent about it. The next step is to associate questioning behavior with 'dubious' patriotism and perhaps, some suspicion.


[edit on 6-5-2008 by Maxmars]



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 09:07 PM
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Heir Chertoff was also responsible for railroading Traficant

Along with all of his suspicious involvement in Gov't False-Flag ops, I just get a genuine bad feeling about this guy.

www.apfn.net...

Mr. Chertoff belongs in front of a Public Grand Jury, imo.
S&F.

[edit on 6-5-2008 by FewWorldOrder]



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 09:20 PM
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Wow good article. Yeah this guy is up to no good for sure and your right it is interesting how quickly his power rise was...then again you could probably say the same for Barack Obama...



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 09:33 PM
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Not to rain on anyones parade but they really do not need any new laws. The laws are already in place and have been before you were even born. In 1933 the US gov was bankrupt, the Constitution was suspended along with our rights. The law of the land is now the UCC and your nothing more than collateral against the national debt.

Sheeple nope, try slave. Slavery is legal in the US as long as it is voluntary. Hate to say it but we all volunteered and signed our servitude over to the gov. The sad part is they never told us. However once done it can not be undone without allot of paper work and you must make sure that every piece is filled out without any errors. Once granted your "freedom" you must accept the consequences of your actions. You will not be able to work, buy or sell anything in the US let alone rent a place to stay or even get any government services. Living in the woods is not an option as it is gov land and you then can be placed in jail for trespassing. Only option leave the country but even that is forbidden since you had to give up your passport and all licenses to include all gov ID's.

Sorry to say but the system is global and has been for years. They are just tightening the screws a little faster that is all.

In 1933 a senator before the members of Congress made a statement: "if the American people knew what we have done to them this day, I have no doubt they would move on Washington in the morning".



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 09:35 PM
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Chertoff,is pretty much demanding we roll over and die because they are gonna put us in camps soon enough so,go back to sleep america your government knows how it all transpired go back to sleep,we will protect you..



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by pstrron
In 1933 a senator before the members of Congress made a statement: "if the American people knew what we have done to them this day, I have no doubt they would move on Washington in the morning".


Great post. If you have a link for that quote I would love to know who said it and the context of the speech.



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 09:50 PM
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of course, they want to take away all our freedom.

Im sick of this, bring on the terrorists, thats why we are allowed to carry guns!! now they want to take that away from us. I'd rather live united fighting then live under communist rule in safety.

Hell it was possibly our own government who did this to begin with. It would make sense if they wanted complete control and the new world government implemented.

WE WILL NOT LOOSE OUR FREEDOM FOR SECURITY.

just like Ben Franklin said, whoever sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither....

The poor war veterans who died for this country would be rolling in their graves right now.



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 11:23 PM
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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.

During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage.

--Attributed to Scottish History Professor at University of Edinburgh Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747-1813) and others


[edit on 5/6/0808 by jackinthebox]



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 11:30 PM
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In point of fact, the Constitution is indeed a "living" document. We are allowed to make amendments that are deemed necessary. But instead the Supreme Court would rather "interpret" the the Constitution to mean, in some cases, precisely the opposite of what is stated. Take the ruling in favor of random bag searches in the subway as an example. They didn't bother to amend the Constitution, they just arbitrarily legislated from the bench.

Which in reality, there is nothing stopping them from doing this, since we have been under martial law since 1861, and the Constitution is not necessarily in accordance with public policy.


[edit on 5/6/0808 by jackinthebox]



posted on May, 7 2008 @ 01:53 AM
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Yes, we're being told to shut up and let the government do its job, even though we didn't ask for the government to slowly erode every amendment in the Bill of Rights. He's right about one thing. Technology has changed the face of the war on terror--and the war on the American people.



posted on May, 7 2008 @ 02:28 AM
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Great post. If you have a link for that quote I would love to know who said it and the context of the speech.


Thank you for the compliment. In regards to the speech content, I have the congressional record in the US but currently live outside of the US. Did an online search and found a similar quote from 1962. In both instances it is in reference to the Federal Reserve and what FDR and what Congress did after the crash of 1929.

The average American has no idea what has been done to them let alone when. All they seem to care about is who is the latest "American Idol". As I told a friend: remember ignorance is not bliss, for what you don't know can kill you.

Would the average American be willing to pay the price for freedom, sadly no. They would rather receive their daily dose of drivel from the idiot box than do that which is right. Was it Ben Franklin who said; "all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"?

The chains of slavery are already about the American peoples necks, hands and feet yet still they do nothing. May God have mercy upon us as the tyrants will not.






"I believe that if the people of this nation fully
understood what Congress has done to them over the
past 49 years, they would move on Washington, they
would not wait for an election. It adds up to a
preconceived plan to destroy the economic and
social independence of the United States." --
Senator George W. Malone, speaking before Congress
about the Federal Reserve Bank(1962)



posted on May, 7 2008 @ 02:33 AM
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We need new laws that strongly limit the power and size of our government. I swear, it seems that every crisis gives an excuse for the government to inflate itself.

Ahh terrorism= give more power to government

Ahh global warming =give more power to government

Ahh person can't afford mortgage = give more power to government

Ahh teenagers are having sex = give more power to government

Ahh schools are sucking = give more power to government

Pretty soon the world will be one giant bureaucracy that accomplishes nothing but making everyone into mindless slaves.



posted on May, 7 2008 @ 04:27 AM
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For starters: please ya'all, stop voting Republican! How much more transparency do you need? Sometimes I feel like I"m the only one on here who lays the blame souly at the feet of the GOP'ers...others say "oh the two parties are all the same". Ok, so howcome we loos our freedoms and constitution always gets tossed out on Republican watches then? When was the last time a liberal democrat trashed our rights and sould us out like this huh?



posted on May, 7 2008 @ 06:25 AM
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Originally posted by skyshow
For starters: please ya'all, stop voting Republican!


It is both parties. Vote Libertarian. It's the only way we are going to show them we aren't taking it anymore.


When was the last time a liberal democrat trashed our rights and sould us out like this huh?


I believe it is the Democrats that are eroding our 2nd ammendment rights. At least, that is what the Rebuplicans say.



posted on May, 7 2008 @ 06:57 AM
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So is Chertoff the new Joseph Goebbels of the 21st century, in AMERICA no less???!!! This kind of rhetoric is straight out of the Nazi propaganda books, however it is not limited to just their tactics. This type of standard propaganda has been a typical approach for years by big government shills to remove THE PEOPLE from the economic, military and political arenas of choice!! The standard, "give up your rights so we can protect you from the boogie-man" montra has been propagated even before the hoax that was 9/11 ever occured. Of course, until we stand up and tell them to shove this Nazi BS up their a**es, nothing will change. Even then, since we know 9/11 was a complete hoax, should we the people deny our so-called "leaders" the power to crush us, they will just carry out or allow some terrible attrocity to occur in our country to justify these "new laws"!
Funny thing is, or maybe it's not so funny, nothing will happen at all!! We'll all just sit here at our computers, going to work, paying illegal taxes, paying outrageous gas prices, getting f'ed over by THE MAN and no revolt or protest will stop what they are doing. Maybe if we all came together in protest, then it would work but it won't.
Prime Example....Just look at our upcoming "election"....look what our choices are for Resident on the White House!! And some of you still think democracy exists in the world?? Whatever fantasy world you're living in please inform the rest of us because I'm sure many of us would like to go there.

Sieg Heil! Chertoff

(they need to put a "middle finger" icon for that list of smiley faces)



Cheers!
Purduegrad05




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