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ET-Channelers: Con Artists vs. Genuine Messengers

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posted on May, 9 2008 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by Witness2008

I don't know about you but I don't have to pay someone in order that I be awake to the ways of this world and the spiritual.



I dont like socialism


[edit on 9-5-2008 by Skyfloating]




posted on May, 9 2008 @ 10:25 AM
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I would suggest that you find one. You are an example of the New Age movement that leaves a bad taste in my mouth and mind. You start a thread where all are invited to express an opinion or experiences then when someone does not agree with your argument you fling little diggs.

You managed to dwindle the number of legit channels down to 25%. What makes you such an expert? The amount of money you have invested?



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by Witness2008

I would suggest that you find one. You are an example of the New Age movement that leaves a bad taste in my mouth and mind. You start a thread where all are invited to express an opinion or experiences then when someone does not agree with your argument you fling little diggs.


Actually your opinion is quite welcome.



You managed to dwindle the number of legit channels down to 25%. What makes you such an expert? The amount of money you have invested?


And thats my opinion...if I may express it.



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 10:40 AM
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Disagreement isnt the same as attacking someone. For example I disagree with the views of the threesome Paul_Richard, Drakiir, Darcon on the issue of detecting energy-levels by colours, but that doesnt mean I dont appreciate their input.

I disagree with your stance of "they musnt charge money", but that doesnt mean I dont appreciate your input.

No big deal really.



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 10:45 AM
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Then who are you to tell anyone what is deserved with a little laughing face? And what does socialism have to do with anything I have said?



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 10:51 AM
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You´ve kept saying on various threads that those who work in the spiritual field shouldnt be getting any money for their work. I disagree with that strongly.

Because it implies that this work is of no value compared to other things we spend it for.

I know there´s a huge spiritual crowd who believes that spirituality is for free and should be for free, so I´ll probably be all alone here in my opinion, but what the heck.

I believe this attitude has led us to make the worst stuff the most expensive (weapons of mass destruction are the most expensive items on the planet).

When I pay money for something I want to give my money to someone who is making a positive difference.



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 10:58 AM
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I have not once said that spiritual leaders or even channels are of no value. I stated that the exchange of money for the message corrupts the message. The channels and experiencers I know charge nothing, but ask for a lot from those they relay the message to in the form of self evaluation.



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by Witness2008
I have not once said that spiritual leaders or even channels are of no value. I stated that the exchange of money for the message corrupts the message. The channels and experiencers I know charge nothing, but ask for a lot from those they relay the message to in the form of self evaluation.


Well...alright. *sigh*. Its not like I dont see your point. So if we separate working as a spiritual consultant/coach and channeling/contactee, would you be more understanding of someone charging money for counseling-hours?



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 11:31 AM
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I have been known to channel great energies from the outer space, I sometimes have a black-out while one hand does not work and the other is busy like I cannot do anything else with, trapped in the ether. Then it feels harder then normal and like some volcano I explode in the air.

Mostly happen when I am surfing the web, do you have informations on the Aliens contacting for this ?



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by bruno51
I have been known to channel great energies from the outer space, I sometimes have a black-out while one hand does not work and the other is busy like I cannot do anything else with, trapped in the ether. Then it feels harder then normal and like some volcano I explode in the air.

Mostly happen when I am surfing the web, do you have informations on the Aliens contacting for this ?


I dont know. What do you think?



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 11:35 AM
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Do parents charge for counseling their children? The problem comes from the price tag itself. What entity would ask that we deplete our bank accounts to find the truth? If someone wants to spend money trying to find some solace for their life that is their business.. but really whos solace is it? The reciever or the one selling it?

If someone takes on the respnsability of bringing truth or enlightemment into the life of someone else they should be brave enough to do it out of love and consider not the size of their own bank account.



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 11:43 AM
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Well...thats putting spiritual teachers out of business. Not for me. If it were by me Id re-allocate half of the money we have away from military and consumerism to school teachers and spiritual teachers.



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 11:51 AM
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No it doesn't put spiritual leaders out of business...it puts the frauds out of business.

I think the bombs and wars are waking people with a greater success rate than the channelers.



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
I believe channeling can ALSO involve discarnate entities, but I dont enjoy being mis-interpreted or misquoted in saying that artists are not responsible for their art.


Well, if you are implying that i miss-interpreted what you said, you are wrong.

I stated that i agree with what you said. Then i went on and said perhaps Artists and composers are influenced by discarnate entities. Again, Perhaps was the key word.

I think the only one who miss-interpreted what you were saying, was Ignorant Ape.



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 02:06 PM
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When 'leaders' started making themselves known to the public behind the guise of spiritualism, religion, etc, I’d be wary. This type of business is ripe for fraud and manipulations of the ignorant and for those desperately seeking answers.

I’ve seen the sorrow of those getting ripped off by these representatives of mysticism. Some, I’m not saying all, these ‘channelers’ could act as if they hold all the answers. For example, one lady shook and shivered to make her ‘messages’ appear believable to the curious onlookers.

For all those people knew, the police got her and some others for not practicing with a license and profiting from their ‘donations’, which not surprisingly went directly into their pockets (just to survive like any business).



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 02:07 PM
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no, it wasnt you who misinterpreted me, it was ignorant ape.



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 02:09 PM
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yes. hence a thread about differentiating between frauds and talents.

I have seen some amazing talents though too.



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 02:13 PM
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Sky, is there anybody in the publics eye that you think is a fraud?



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by darcon


Sky, is there anybody in the publics eye that you think is a fraud?



Yeah, see opening post for example.

When I see a group of people starting to make the guru more important than their inner self, I label it as fraud.



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 02:50 PM
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lol, yes, ashtar command looks a bit like a HOAX



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