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ET-Channelers: Con Artists vs. Genuine Messengers

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posted on May, 6 2008 @ 11:28 AM
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I'm very skeptical of supossed channelers,I think they are expert's at channel your funds to theirs,the answers or so called channeling are so ambigious it could mean anything I don't believe them




posted on May, 6 2008 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Oldtimer2
I'm very skeptical of supossed channelers,I think they are expert's at channel your funds to theirs,the answers or so called channeling are so ambigious it could mean anything I don't believe them


Again...it depends upon which channellers we´re talking about.



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 11:59 AM
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Thing is, why would the aliens be using these people as channelers and giving off messages? they have been claiming for years that things were going to happen, disclosure, earth changes, and year after year, nothing.

If they were being truthful then they wouldnt say soon they would say in 30 years time or even 20 years time, but like religion it always seems to be now or tomorrow.

Also, I have seen aliens in my life just as I now look at this computer screen, I am not as channeler. Most channelers do not get to have the great experiences that those that do not claim to have the connection do.

Its one thing to say that you are in connection, another to have the direct contact. I do not see the two as being even remotely close.



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by antar
Thing is, why would the aliens be using these people as channelers and giving off messages? they have been claiming for years that things were going to happen, disclosure, earth changes, and year after year, nothing.


Because of non-intervention laws they would have their "gentle invasion" through individuals rather than governments or on a mass-scale. The individuals I know of, who channel ETs privately (not for public sale) do not make such predictions.



If they were being truthful then they wouldnt say soon they would say in 30 years time or even 20 years time, but like religion it always seems to be now or tomorrow.


Thats why I opened this thread. There´s so much fraud out there that it has become normal to just dismiss it all

To be a bit more straightforward, Ive had "somewhat" of a "contact" in my childhood which continues "somewhat" to this day. In my childhood it was pretty out-in-the-open-obvious, today its more subtle (like in lucid dreams and small hints here and there).

The understanding that I gained from "them" is that they DO contact individuals and that this someties DOES take the form of channeling.



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 12:14 PM
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Ken Carey is another good conduit, his messages are valid and his means express his visions of foresight quite literal.


Starseed Transmissions:

The Third Millennium Living in the Posthistoric World: very well understood individual with the wholeness of reality in his book.

Ruth montgomery, Strangers Among Us
also good.



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 12:24 PM
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Very hard to place a timeline of tommorrow when it is today. What they mean in the now is the only direct moment that accomodetes the following.

They will give you most likely probabilities within a living arangement or parameter to gauge.

But I agree in the sense of a (logical based conclusion) on three dimensional schematics, doesn't hurt why--not.

Sometimes the hard part with any energy source is making that energy convert to a dimension nearest our arrival to understand.



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
So apart from me, only one poster referring to a positive experience with a channel (page one referring to Kryaon)...is that all?


Good Thread Skyfloating! Well I have read lots and lots of these types of Channelers because I found them interesting and entertaining and possibly somewhat truthful. Look at the most famous of channeled books, "the Bible" now that's full of literal truths
NOT!!! Some truths sure but literal truths, I, at least, do not think so.

I Have read, Seldon Nidle, Jelia Starr, Barbara Marcimiak (Sp),AA Michael many of them. I believe there is some truth to them but lots of disinformation.

Who is to say what truth is?

I feel that we are multi-dimensional beings and can make contact with the other beings, call them ET's. However unless we are Conscious ,Awake, Aware and Able we might just buy whatever they are selling, simply because we have experienced the contact.

I take my spiritual welfare entirely in my own hands. If there is any sort of salvation, ascension or whatever, I must do it for myself.

I read most things with an openmind and think all things are possible and there is truth in many things.

That's my 2 cents.

I have enjoyed reading and will add several of you to my friends list.

Peace!

Cindy

Edit: Typo

[edit on 6-5-2008 by cindymars]



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 04:04 PM
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welcome cindymars!

I loved Barbara Marcianak.



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 07:56 PM
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I am capable of channeling. What would you like to know? No charge


Lord raise me up...

Sri Oracle



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 08:10 PM
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Being in the moment can not be quantified by the mind. It is beyond mind, beyond all logic. If there were a central location or a close proximity, it would be within the silence of the heart.

[edit on 6-5-2008 by antar]



posted on May, 7 2008 @ 03:18 AM
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Let me say that:
All channelling are in some instance very individual to a certain culture.
If the recipient is educated then the channelling is also educated, if the recipient is average then the channelling is also average.
I have argued with a spirit once when attending a séance. My argumentation was about the pattern that channelling is showing which is tinted with a very western white corcasian orientated topic, disguised as love and peace contaminated with some law of attractions and copy and paste with oriental and Asian philosophy.
Actually I have learn that you can’t argue with them, it is like arguing with (in a sense) a fundamentalist religious zealous that hold the absolute proof .
The usual suspects (Jesus, Buddha, Angels, Archangels and many others) are all in place and they don’t diverge from their actual existence spend in mythology or religious tails.
All the claims that channelers have produce are in fact old claims re-adjusted to a modern population.
“Souls are infinite in number and consist of pure intelligence. Each soul is independent, indivisible, unconditioned, incapable of change, immortal. It appears, however, to be bound in matter.”
This above was written by Kapila during the life time of Buddha (this time frame is pure speculation). Who Kapila was is not known for sure. What is known for sure is that Kapila have left a large knowledge of spiritual salvation system which date back before Siddhartha.
According to Friedrich Nietzsche Kapila was one of the significant precursors of true spiritualism.
If you do your home search you will find that all channelers claims are been restyle from old true spiritual seekers.
Is nothing new under the Sun…yet?

Kacou.
PS…thank you for your encouragement Skyfloating.



posted on May, 8 2008 @ 07:56 AM
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Have you ever dropped into a strong irish, british, or austrailian accent? ebonics? chinese?

Channelling is dropping into a strong accent with regard to state of mind rather than dialect of speech. To channel effectively it helps to have a strong grasp of history, multiple religions, and various cultures.

WWJD?

What would Mohammed say and why would he be saying such?

How would Saint Germaine smile; what would the smile mean?

What was Hitler thinking; feeling?

How would Ghandi protest? Why?

Ie, if you are a professional electrician... you channel that energy, confidence, and know-how from electricians past. It is what allows you to deal with new and different situations from a "professional" point of view rather than a "rig it" perspective.




I am; that which I say I am,

I am all.

I am you, you are me.

I am the one.

I am a carpenter.
I am a writer.

...a priest
...a prince


***channelling is magic; be careful with what you choose to channel... if you cross your eyes too many times you might get stuck that way***

I am,

Sri Oracle

[edit on 8-5-2008 by Sri Oracle]



posted on May, 8 2008 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by Sri Oracle
Have you ever dropped into a strong irish, british, or austrailian accent? ebonics? chinese?



Interesting. I used to make money with accent-impersonation voice-overs for advertisement.

I had forgotten the connection...thanks for the reminder!

[edit on 8-5-2008 by Skyfloating]



posted on May, 8 2008 @ 08:33 AM
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Genuine messengers only means genuine telepathic communication. However, it does not inherently imply accuracy


Alien spirits are no better than anyone else. It is the degree of spirituality that determines the validity of the information, not whether or not it is a "genuine message" from discarnate aliens.


And the best way to ascertain the degree of spirituality behind a message -outside of the feelings attached and extent of purity - is by discerning the Dominant Aura Color behind the message. If the energy is anything other than sky blue or white in color, then it is not coming from a spiritual source.

Most of those who claim to communicate with aliens telepathically, and do, channel yellow discarnate energies. Indicative of only the basically spiritual and not a source that should be trusted or thought of as objective.

All spirits, including alien spirits, cannot hide their main energy colors. This is invaluable in being able to discern those who are truly devoted to The Light and those who are out to further their own political agendas.

I've had telepathic communication with aliens of the sky blue and/or white spectrum. They do not espouse the propaganda that the Zetan-Greys are here to further our evolution and that they are part of a a Galactic Confederation. Instead the aliens of the sky blue and/or white spectrum say that the Zetan-aliens represent a galactic empire that subjugates worlds too weak to defend themselves, and that medieval systems are targeted the most because they are the most vulnerable.

A much different scenario than what you will get from people like Barbara Marciniak and Courtney Brown, among various alien channelers.

My two cents.



posted on May, 8 2008 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard


Alien spirits are no better than anyone else. It is the degree of spirituality that determines the validity of the information, not whether or not it is a "genuine message" from discarnate aliens.


agree




And the best way to ascertain the degree of spirituality behind a message -outside of the feelings attached and extent of purity - is by discerning the Dominant Aura Color behind the message. If the energy is anything other than sky blue or white in color, then it is not coming from a spiritual source.


Disagree





I've had telepathic communication with aliens of the sky blue and/or white spectrum. They do not espouse the propaganda that the Zetan-Greys are here to further our evolution and that they are part of a a Galactic Confederation.


Interesting.



posted on May, 8 2008 @ 09:51 AM
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Hmm interesting topic here.

One thing to keep in mind is that when the telepathic channel is open, the most important thing to know is who's on the other end. There is nothing to stop a grey for example from interfering with your thought processes if access is given to them, even unknowingly.

Word of advice is to be careful. Unless you have specifics on who or what you are channeling it pays to stay away.



posted on May, 8 2008 @ 10:00 AM
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Hi Drakiir,

Nice to see you.



Originally posted by Drakiir
One thing to keep in mind is that when the telepathic channel is open, the most important thing to know is who's on the other end. There is nothing to stop a grey for example from interfering with your thought processes if access is given to them, even unknowingly.

Word of advice is to be careful. Unless you have specifics on who or what you are channeling it pays to stay away.

GMTA

Have to agree with you there.

Unless one is very discriminating in energy colors, then one is going to be misled by the red-orange-yellow energies who are out to further their agendas, representative of the 2nd through 4th planes. People constantly get deceived by alien spirits (and discarnates in general) who are of that ilk and mindset.




posted on May, 8 2008 @ 10:18 AM
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Yep thats right.

Its important for people to always be aware of what or who they are chanelling. I could compare it to using a spirit board for the first time and although I have never done it I wouldnt be game to mainly because I dont know what I am dealing with.

Exercising caution is the best way to go unless a spiritual medium is available, this being the best way to go. Colors are the best way to go in discerning bad from good and suprisingly the colours say it all, red - bad, blue or white - good.

Its discerning them thats the tricky part



posted on May, 8 2008 @ 11:21 AM
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Nice topic Sky. I do know you disagree with Paul on that one point, so then what do you think would be the best way to know if the message you are receiving is genuine or not?

honest question.

I would also like to state, that the DAC's(They look like shining stars to me) i have been seeing, have really strengthened in the past month. I can see them with my eyes open, very clearly and precise, where as before i could only do that with my eyes closed. If i saw a DAC with my eyes open before, it would be faint.

[edit on 8-5-2008 by darcon]



posted on May, 8 2008 @ 11:25 AM
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Hey there Arcon

Im feeling all nostalgic seeing that logo again. Yeah thats true about DAC's because I find since closing your eyes, you see black that it actually brings out the colours more.

As apposed to the daylight which are very hard to see unless you really focus and even then they stand out better against darker colors



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