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Debunking the Chemtrail Debunker.

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posted on May, 9 2008 @ 02:38 PM
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I'll have to look tomorrow (I'm in the UK btw) but do you have any evidence of contrails being formed in the areas where you appear to have shown, based on soundings, that they should not occur? That's the key


After all, if you show that contrails cannot form and no contrails are observed we've no further forward




posted on May, 9 2008 @ 03:03 PM
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You are the one saying they are so common and they happen all the time.

Show me one sounding, that would support a contrail.

Here's Nottingham


300.0 9260 -49.3 -61.3 23

Sorry, below 55% RH. No contrails.

Anyone?



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by cutbothways
 


Its called cirrus.....can be formed from the spreading of contrails. If you read the link i posted earlier it explains cirrus clouds

Well actually it explains all the cloud types


Im sorry, but I have been obseving this for years and the pictures shown by the OP are accurate. Chem/Con trails whatever now dissipate to look like clouds, they figured this new trick out in the last couple of years. I wish I had taken pictures of the crap I have seen in the skys above Los Angeles. It is incredible to me how many people that never look up and see what is occurring over our heads.

Good work Cutsbothways!



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:00 PM
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if contrails need certain conditions to form,

then how in the world could they spread out and form clouds. ??

some of the trails thats I have seen that stayed and spread out
where at what appeared to be at a very low altitude where
no trails are supposed to be able to form.
I mean really low and in the dead heat of august.

and in an area that sees little air traffic.

all criss crossed and at all different altitudes.

so...... I don`t know...


now.. I`m in hull, quebec, canada right now.
and I just looked outside and there are criss crossed trails all over
and at all different altitudes and some seem to be way to
low for contrail formation.

if anyone is in the area please take a look.
5pm local time



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:03 PM
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reply to post by Maya432
 


I have a few links on this thread that will answer most of your questions.

Answers Thread?



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:10 PM
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lasting no more than 30 minutes.

is this correct?



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by Maya432
if contrails need certain conditions to form,

then how in the world could they spread out and form clouds. ??

some of the trails thats I have seen that stayed and spread out
where at what appeared to be at a very low altitude where
no trails are supposed to be able to form.
I mean really low and in the dead heat of august.

and in an area that sees little air traffic.

all criss crossed and at all different altitudes.

so...... I don`t know...


now.. I`m in hull, quebec, canada right now.
and I just looked outside and there are criss crossed trails all over
and at all different altitudes and some seem to be way to
low for contrail formation.

if anyone is in the area please take a look.
5pm local time



Because they are not natural.

Close as I could get.


Maniwaki Observations at 12Z 09 May 2008
300.7 9144 -46.2 -55.2 35




Not even on the chart.



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:12 PM
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And on the day that sounding was taken, there were no contrails


You do realise that atmospheric conditions vary considerably from day to day? Due to this thing called weather.

Rather than showing that contrails should not form on days when no contrails form, all I ask is that you provide evidence that contrails do form when such soundings show they should not.



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:14 PM
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No that is incorrect. The science has shown that they can last for several hours depending on atmospheric conditions.

Check out the links I posted in the other thread

Thread with links



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:17 PM
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on the day it was taken?

its today ...isn`t it?

are you saying that the observation shows little or no chance of
contrail......cause there sure are trails that are not going away
and not showing any signs of leaving soon



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:19 PM
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"If a jet leaves no trail or only a short trail or if the trail fades quickly then the air at that level is relatively dry. This means the fair weather is likely to continue. But, if the exhaust trail lingers for an hour or more or spreads across the sky, that means the surrounding air is moist and rain or some other form of precipitation may be on the way."

Environment Canada Source

[edit on 9-5-2008 by QBSneak000]



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:19 PM
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several hours........ok
and spread out to make a kinda cloud cover?

its the lower ones that keep me wondering.
extra added for edit....is this supposed to be whats called artificial cirrus clouds

[edit on 9-5-2008 by Maya432]



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:22 PM
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I find that without a laser ceilometer or a point of height referance (mountains of a known height) its hard to really tell how high up they are. It may look like only a couple of thousand feet but in reallity it could be well over 10,000 ft.

[edit on 9-5-2008 by QBSneak000]

[edit on 9-5-2008 by QBSneak000]



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by QBSneak000
reply to post by Maya432
 


I find that without a laser ceilometer or a point of height referance (mountains of a known height) its hard to really tell how high up they are. It may look like only a couple of thousand feet but in reallity it could be well over 10,000 ft.

[edit on 9-5-2008 by QBSneak000]

[edit on 9-5-2008 by QBSneak000]


yes the high ones appear to be it the 30,000 foot range
and the low ones appear to be around the 10,000 to 20,000 foot range.

now

at between 10 and 20 thousands......there is NO CONTRAILS...right?



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:36 PM
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Not necessarily, it all depends on atmospheric conditions.

But im sure there are those here that would argue that.

[edit on 9-5-2008 by QBSneak000]



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by Maya432
are you saying that the observation shows little or no chance of
contrail......cause there sure are trails that are not going away
and not showing any signs of leaving soon


Without knowing where you are that's impossible to say. The atmospheric conditions above your location may not be the same as those 100 miles away.



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:45 PM
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I`m about 25 miles south of that maniwaki chart.

now all the trails do not look like trails anymore ,but have spread out to form the clouds 5:44pm local time



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:47 PM
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Contrail Science

contrailscience.com...

contrailscience.com...

contrail science

[edit on 9-5-2008 by QBSneak000]



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by Maya432
are you saying that the observation shows little or no chance of
contrail......cause there sure are trails that are not going away
and not showing any signs of leaving soon


Without knowing where you are that's impossible to say. The atmospheric conditions above your location may not be the same as those 100 miles away.


Not only that but the conditions at 30-43 thousand feet (where most cruise phases take place) vary as well. Temperature and humidity at FL430 can be much different than that at FL300 where those observations are given (not to mention wind directions, which is important in flight planning).
And two planes with different engines can fly at the same altitude with one creating a contrail and one not.


[edit on 9-5-2008 by _Del_]



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 05:38 PM
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Thank you cutbothways.
For us who KNOW it's true, we appreciate your efforts!
I really thing the goalposts are moved to allow ANY reason for the thick haze over many populated areas.
"It's perfectly normal, Just contrails, Nothing in them to harm anyone."

Ours started in 2005! With low fly-bys and disgusting chemicals being dropped on us.
I was there.

What was tested and proven is now wrong? I don't think so.




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