OH! You're one of those, Conspiracy Theorists.

reply to post by AccessDenied

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Yes AD I do get a ration of teasing from my children and a few friends.

I do enjoy finding someone who is of like mind that I can discuss currant events with.

One thing I have noticed is that many times I know the news before my children see it in MSM. I always have to say, "I told you about that already". I call it revenge of the CT.

My significant other calls ATS the black hole but does get interested when I find discussions concerning VietNam and other military matters.

In the words of the immortal Popeye the Sailor man.." I yam what I yam".
I am a conspiracy theorist and proud of it. I find it to be preferable to being a sheep.

When I pointed out about it being in our DNA, it was because of my own experience in life.
I ALWAYS knew I was different. While my classmates were reading "Choose Your own adventure" books, or Sweet Valley High,.. I was reading books about Ghosts, witches, Uri Geller and other psychics, UFO's and aliens.
My school projects were frequently on The Loch ness monster, or bigfoot.
I have had prophetic dreams and those of past lives since I was 4 years old.
But I don't post those. Not my style.
I try to discuss stuff with my kids. sometimes they are interested, sometimes not. But I try at least. I don't want to give them info overload or make them paranoid.

Hahaha this is a great thread.

I love it when I talk about the government or UFOs to my family. They always just shrug it off and ignore me. But we most certainly are a very unique group of people. I have often wondered why I ask questions instead of just going along with what i'm told. Why do we ask questions but not the next person?

I will probably never know the answer to that question, but I can tell you we are definitley having alot more fun than the general population aren't we guys.

I can speak openly to my one of my friend about 9/11 conspiracy, he believes without a doubt that it was an inside job, me? I just listen, I'm more in the paranormal and UFO/alien type of guy, and I tend to be open about it, when the topic arises, its just the field that I have the most experience in, both in knowledge and first-hand account, so I'm not ashame of talking about it. So I guess, what I'm saying is I'm like AccessDenied. lol

Granted I get make fun of, surprising not to UFOs, but to paranormal topics, such as ghosts, shadow people, astral projections. I have cases where I talk about my experience about UFO, and people would be like "Oh really? Well I encounter a UFO once...."

I think the reason why the paranormal topic is kind of hard for my friends to swallow is either their strictly religious, and its taboo to them. Or their not religious or spiritual at all, and aren't open-minded to the possibility an ethereal universe or extra dimensional beings.

Shadow people are the toughest thing to talk about in my case, its something many people can't grasp and thought it was inspired off the "heartless" from kingdom hearts, however my experience with these beings and other eye-account witnesses has seen these things long before that game came out. Here are images of some heartless from the game: boything.jeeran.com...
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pretty sure a conspiracy theorist simply has a theory or theories that certain occurences are in fact orchestrated by more than one person.

all of us on here are conspiracy theorists.

but now the term is slowly being changed into a put down phrase, that discredits any person who is called that.

that is ridiculous that someone would think that conspiracies don't exist. technically, everything's a conspiracy! so... that would make us conspiracy fact-ists

You all also have to remember that there are multiple types and reasons for every stance. Not all CTers are in it for "the truth" per say.

1) As a way of rebellion or a way to feel special. A way to loudly proclaim oneself as "above the norm" of people because they know some sort of elusive truth.

2) Authors seeking to make a profit from selling books.

3) Hate to say it, but genuine mental problems.

To be honest I could name every possible reason I can think of most likely still miss some and not all of them are good or noble reasons it should be noted, as everything everyone does is done for some reason. Whether or not they admit it to themselves.

Me. I over analyze every damn thing and some things just don't ring true to me. But I can fully admit that I could be deluding myself. Hell possibly for reasons one and three.

I do believe Al Queda did the 9/11 hijackings. But the government most likely planned it. But no CD or any other highly unlikely stories.

I believe in aliens. But I don't believe we are anything more than a possibly interesting animal to them. Sorry no sky brothers or alien conquerers ruling everything.

I do believe conspiracies happen. But not to the point most would have you believe. Other words, no, Buldeburger Group or evil Freemasons. Seem to me like human nature would make those kinda impossible. You know the old addage of "Two many fingers in the pot ruin the soup.".

Just my two cents.

[edit on 5-5-2008 by WraothAscendant]

Yep! Convinced quite a few and I try to empower people who blindly refuse to believe or consider the theory etc to do their own research... I get positive responses that way... 'Oh I did a bit of reading up on ..... '

My father (hon phd etc that sort of character..) was a tough nut to crack but with reasoning, debate, facts and common sense have managed to show him some of the more interesting sides to what is (and isn't) in the mass media, he will now discuss with me (and not so much the other way around anymore) issues of CT basis.

edit: and when we go to UFOs and aliens etc over half the people I talk to have either seen or already believe in them... so much for govt propaganda eh it's hard to make someone not believe who has personally witnessed paranormal/alien etc activity.

[edit on 5-5-2008 by GhostR1der]

Awesome Topic!!!

I wish i knew why we were different from everybody else.

I say different because I think we actually are different. Dont know how we got this way though.

If we could figure this out then we could probably figure out how to get the others to wake up.

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I wouldn't worry about people who don't want to talk about the paranormal for whatever reason.

I have experienced some paranormal events, several were very scary. It is easy to say it that maybe it was my imagination, or I am insane, or I was high. I wasn't alone when these "things" happened and honestly, I wish it can be explained through insanity, imagination, or drugs.

I have told people of some juicy ghost stories. There were many that doubted me but I got them curious because I can get a witness with a simple phone call.

One time I "proved" my point a little too well. I told of a paranormal event to a group of people and it turned out that the event re-occurred for the people I told the story to. Most would see this as a vindication but these people were seriously scared.

When I tell of a paranormal story, I totally understand if someone looks at me as weird. That is because it is weird whether one believes it or not. The paranormal scares the hell out of me. I wish I was insane when some of my experiences happened but the fact I wasn't alone denies me of that convenience. The problem is that this stuff almost drove me insane and when someone looks at me as weird, they are right, this paranormal stuff made me "weird."

If someone wants to close their mind about the paranormal for any reason, it is a good thing. I usually don't want to talk about details of some of these stories anymore either.

reply to post by AccessDenied

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Excellent thread, AD! Starred and flagged.

I see a lot of tactics used by the MSM to discredit CT's in what you posted.

I don't think anyone should oppose conspiracy theorists, I think they're necessary! If no one was looking for the truth then it would probably never be found!

Generally I've found telling people about potential theories brings varied reactions based on their intelligence. Most of my fiends are the very top of our school by a huge margin, and they instantly understand and see the logic, adding the possible explanation to the list of possible explanations they harbour about subjects.

On the other hand, less intelligent people seem to disbelieve things that are, as it has been called 'outside the box'. This is especially bad in school since a lot of people have been slow to grow up and are totally engrossed in MSM versions of events, and still have that childish arrogance that no one can tell them any better.

Does anyone here think that being a CT in the workplace is "career limiting"? Iow, would a CT'er be unlikely to be considered a candidate for a project leader or management because of his/her beliefs? Or because they are thought to be "too far out there" to be taken seriously?

Here are some useful quotes for those friends/family that just can't get over the word "conspiracy."

I often get the feeling that people would call me insane if they thought i could handle it.

The sad thing is that i can.

People are rarely capable of labelling someone something, and then thinking about how they would deal with that label.

I'd say I'm a closet conspiracy theorist. I just don't say anything about the "theories" unless I actually have some factual information from the main stream media to back it up.

The sheep believe the main stream media.

I just keep my mouth shut.

I'm still bewildered by the Jfk thing. The Zapruder film clearly discredits the warren commission reports as any idiot can clearly see. This to me shows that anyone can be taught what to think.

My experience is somewhat different to those posted, most people that I speak to on these subjects actually agree and acknowledge that they're not being told the whole truth on many subjects, I'm constantly surprised at the types of people I interact with that have similar concerns and interests in conspiracy theories. This is my experience.

All I see in my day to day life are people waking up to the big lies forced down our throats by the corporate media. Actually I have found little resistance or closed mindedness on these subjects, the ones that do are usually corrected by those around me like they are the minority.
Of course this is a different story online but those people I see and interact with at various levels throughout daily life acknowledge that something just isn't right. The problem is they just don't care enough, it doesn't effect their TV/Video game/drinking time or anything else that distracts them so it's not they're problem. Perhaps it is a cultural thing, although many Americans I know feel the same way.

I had the feeling even at the age of 6 or 7 when I started thinking about the world around me, before any deep setted societal indoctrination. I had a sense that the human race had followed the wrong path, and if certain principles had been followed we'd be in a very different place than we are now.


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You are so correct with that statement.I believe that totally applies to most of those that I encounter on a daily basis. either that or it's the flip side of the coin..
The mortgage, the car payment, junior's braces, his sister's college fund..
Who has time to worry about conspiracy theories.
Iam so tired of hearing..
"Well that's all very good, and informative, but it's still just a theory right?"

HELLO!
Einstein's work is still called theories and we accept it as truth. WTF?

Squiz, you are lucky that you have found people in your daily life to converse with. I believe a good majority of members here do not have that type of situation, and ATS becomes like a home where you can finally relax and be yourself without being judged as a kook.

If it's about what's on TV, then I have an idea.

Every single one of us call 911 and claim there is a gunman in our office/school. If you work, do it when you're at work. If you go to school (high school or college), do it while at school.

Call the cops and claim that there is a gunman wandering around the campus. The cops will come and when they don't find him/her, they will arrest you. Before (while) they arrest you, I want to you to talk to them calmly. Show them the hypocrisy in this country.

They are arresting you for making a false claim (while not under oath), that put no one's life in danger (cops are pretty nasty these days, probably would have shot innocent students/co-wokers). Then you have the President, Vice President, Secretary of Defense, etc.. lying about WMDs, terrorists, etc.. (while not under oath) which is putting our citizens lives in danger.

This could get you on TV, and the masses would more than likely see you showing the truth. If it's about what they see on TV, this could work.

It's absolutely ridiculous how I can go to jail for screaming "fire" or calling the cops and claiming there is a gunman. Yet, our President go on television and go infront of Congress, and lie to the faces of the American citizens, putting our soldiers lives in danger, our countries National Security in danger, and the lives of our citizens in danger.

Enough of the bull#.

I really do not ever talk to people except through forums and stuff (I, unlike most of you, really am a bat# insane bastard/schitzoid) so I don't get called much besides aloof and mean.

The thing is there is so much information against those who conspire to commit atrocities and proport lies that most decent people simply can not handle the information or think that "no one could be THAT bad of a human!". You guys have probably all met a few people who will say "don't listen to the idiot box" or "trust noone" and yet insist that the corporate media bull# is how things are, etc.

Sure, "no one likes change" is safe to say but then why is it that our political/social environment changes? And the majority go along with whatever the businessmen/lawyers in office say and do? I know why no one really actually does anything to change how things are going except for terrorists and the wealthy elite, so why do people whine about everything all the time (for the most part)? "Sqeaky hinge gets the oil" is true when you are talking about doors and autos, not people. Unless those people will either further the agenda or provide a willing barrier for you...

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Absolutely. Usually the higher the intellegence of the person, the more receptive they are to theories contrary to their beliefs. I think a huge part of the reason that I question everything is that my parents did not raise me with any type of religious anything, and they never spoke of politics ever. As I got older and started asking questions about heavy subjects, my parents didn't pretend to know. They would say "nobody knows" or "you are going to have to figure that out for yourself". I appreciate this of them as they are both christians, not the kind that go to church though, and they easily could have just said jesus this or jesus that but they didn't. In my opinon, the less information about religion, politics, certain theories, and other personal opinions that a person is forcefed growing up, the more they develop the need to seek answers and formulate their own theories and opinions. At least thats why I'm here. Anyone else have a similar experience?

[edit on 5-5-2008 by devildogUSMC]