It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Shards of the Illuminati

page: 83
77
<< 80  81  82    84  85  86 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 11:48 AM
link   
reply to post by emsed1
 


woot! I am glad you are back safe and sound!




posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 04:36 PM
link   

Originally posted by kshaund
I don't have a ready made source for this, but my understanding of the Merovingians is that they were known historically as the "Thaumaturge Kings", that they had red beards too as I recall. Thaumaturge relates to magic.


You're brilliant. Spot on.

books.google.co.uk... i=1i7VSfPFNKSQjAfEtbmCDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7

(long link, if it doesn't work google 'The Character of Kingship by Declan Quigley', there is an abridged google book, page 35

Also google 'The Tree of Life and the Holy Grail by Sylvia Franke', another google book, page 127)

Very interesting pointer





[edit on 2-4-2009 by KilgoreTrout]



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 11:49 PM
link   
I think that this may be of value. You guys can give it a view. What he says sounds a bit like what Maban spoke about. Two sides, of the coin with different aims (in a way).





www.youtube.com...

[edit on 2-4-2009 by lazy1981]



posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 12:30 AM
link   
K, I am a Mason. Know many old timers and Shriners. Nothing to see here move along. Get over it. I was once jealous and paranoid too. Please, post when you are mature enough. THAT is the secret.



posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 12:34 AM
link   
And as much as some fervently believe, YouTube is not the word of God,. I go to church, not YouTube for info and quotes.
Thanx.



posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 01:13 AM
link   
reply to post by scooterstrats
 


Are you sure you aren't one of those foundation builders?



posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 04:25 AM
link   

Originally posted by scooterstrats
And as much as some fervently believe, YouTube is not the word of God,. I go to church, not YouTube for info and quotes.


That is actually an interesting little clip, it all contributes to the mellee. The guy makes some good points. YouTube may not be the word of god, but it is a platform, what is wrong with that? We all have to start somewhere.

I prefer a library to a church to obtain my info and quotes. It offers a variety of sources and opinions, allows me to form my own. I've never wanted to be told, rarely found I needed to be either. And, one book could never satisfy me.

Coincidently, yesterday a friend of mine was telling me about the Way of the Fool. The Way of the Fool may seem eclectic and without direction, but that is because it is the path less trod, a new path, a path all one’s own. A path whereby great things may be accomplished or great failures suffered.

We learn as much from failure as we do from success. Without the Fools there may have been no progress, and without the odd fool that made it through, forging a new path, there would be no brilliance.

Let the fools be foolish. Fools don’t need oaths and rules unless it is so they can break them. You do your thing, I like the sound of this way much better. Ever fallen flat on your face in the mud and come up laughing because life is funny. There is no dignity only pride.



posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 06:49 AM
link   

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Coincidently, yesterday a friend of mine was telling me about the Way of the Fool. The Way of the Fool may seem eclectic and without direction, but that is because it is the path less trod, a new path, a path all one’s own. A path whereby great things may be accomplished or great failures suffered.


Does someone here like the Tarot cards?



posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 09:57 AM
link   
reply to post by KilgoreTrout
 


Hey Kilgore -
If you can find more on the Merovingian/Thaumaturge Kings that would be awesome - I've looked a few times but not too seriously and found information on them was very scant at best. As I recall they were also very tall (going from memory of someone else talking about them long time ago).



posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 10:17 AM
link   

Originally posted by AKARonco
reply to post by emsed1
 


woot! I am glad you are back safe and sound!


Thanks!

It was absolutely amazing down there. Quiet and peaceful. Actually for three days last week there wasn't a single murder (drug-related or otherwise) in the entire city of 1.8 million. That hasn't happened since 2007.

In fact there were an average of 15 murders per day two months ago.

For a week I was so fortunate to see and feel what Maban and others were referring to when they talk about putting aside politics, religion and differences and helping each other.

Even though the maestros (builders) we worked with knew NO english our two groups came together to build a house for a family in three days.

The world is SO AMAZING when there is no 24 hour cable news, no press conferences, no TV and the only newspapers are unreadable! LOL

For the first time in nearly a year I had a feeling of hope and joy for mankind that has been missing.

For those like me who have had the dark pit in their stomachs for so long I can tell you I have seen with my own eyes that there are places in this world where hope exists for our species. They are rare and hard to find, but they exist!

I am sure given time I will lose this light I have seen and return to my cynical ways but it is refreshing to see that not everyone has conceded defeat for mankind.



posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 10:41 AM
link   

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Does someone here like the Tarot cards?


You?


My Dad, who's an artist, once illustrated a Tarot set, but that is my sole exposure to such things, until I googled the Way of the Fool that is. As I recall my Dad considered his paintings a little too erotic for my delicate eyes. I wonder what happened to them? There's a thought, I should see what he saw for the Fool, it may offer unexpected insight. Or not, but it may be worth a look. Assuming my Dad thinks my virtue can handle it of course.



posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 10:57 AM
link   

Originally posted by kshaund
Hey Kilgore -
If you can find more on the Merovingian/Thaumaturge Kings that would be awesome - I've looked a few times but not too seriously and found information on them was very scant at best. As I recall they were also very tall (going from memory of someone else talking about them long time ago).


Those two books are the best that I could find online, source wise, and to be quite honest they satisfy my interest in the matter. I'm very fickle I'm afraid when it comes to information, once I get what I need I am on to the next thing. Commitment issues perhaps.


Size though is relative. Urbanity and social heirarchy results in a lack of variety in the diet of those towards the bottom of the pile. People who live on bread and beer do not usually grow up to be big and healthy. If you wander around any city in Europe with a medieval past, like York where I live, you will see that some of the doors are really small. I'm 5'5" (and a half!!) and I have to bend to get into some of them. Peasants and menial workers were generally, due to their diet, short and stocky. Heriditary elitism, backed by wealth and property, provided a better diet, cross generationally.

Plus, these are 'legends', and these are victors. They wrote their own history. They were also men. Size is everything.



posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 11:25 AM
link   
reply to post by KilgoreTrout
 


You live in York? Well, you have a Merovingian specialist in your university:
guy halsall
Maybe you could get reading rights there? I seem to remember him being more inclined toward the military side.



posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 01:56 AM
link   
reply to post by EnlightenUp
 


This void thing completely turned my brain in knots...very random ramblings have ensued...


I hope you're in an indulgent mood...


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
The void is where division, form or other qualities cease to have any meaning-- perhaps even "infinite" and "timeless" (alas we're stuck with language here). And so by that definition, if I am at one with the void, then yes, it is still the void, always was and nothing about it has changed. More accurately perhaps, one's awareness has changed or perhaps disappeared entirely; one does not intrude upon it from outside (what outside?). It is right here, right now but we are steeped in an illusion. That's somewhat of a Buddhist view which seems to have relevance to what was going on.


I'm not disagreeing with you but I really do struggle with this. It, kind of, reminds me of when my Mum used to say in response to a complaint of boredom that 'only boring people get bored'. By creation of the term 'void' your are able to conceptualise a void, imagine it. That you cannot describe it further only means that you have not yet found the words. And, I fully acknowledge that I am probably missing the point. But to me there is never nothing, there is always something. If it can be named. When you name something the ‘void’ it becomes The Void. It is something. However intangible, it still acquires form. This is fundamentally human. The void, may be ‘a void’, but it is through being named, a something, a state of being.

Perhaps I am on entirely the wrong foot. What does the void represent, to you, or generally…? Is it a state of mind or is it representative of existence prior to creation? Of existence without language? I may have the fundamentals all screwy for a start off.



My presence was just presence as always. One serpent attempting to edge-out the other in an invasion of what cannot be invaded is clearly nonsense.


I'm picking at your use of language here, but a presence is a presence, it’s only limitation is the definition which you feel able to ascribe to it. Does a void have form? It has as much form as the language we can find to define it. That will over time accumulate. But it already exists in a form. Even if that form is just a word. (God is the word and the word is God).

If that notion of competition, of the battle for perpetual balance is a nonsense, then why have so many people followed that belief for so long. The battle of good versus evil. Heaven as opposed to hell. Can you see how pervasive that black and white belief is and more especially was? How long it lasted. Why it lasted. From whence it came.

Terence Mckenna in Food of the Gods states that a Shaman is someone who can see the beginning and ending of all things and explain it to others. Language is our existence. Pragmatist that I am, for me a void, thus named becomes a void, and therefore a void 'is'. As soon as it exists it becomes something, as soon as it is given a name it takes a form. ???

I really don't know. Seriously. In fact lately I feel as though I literally know nothing, in fact, the more I learn the less I know and the more I have to believe*.

I'm sure I must be missing something...?? But. Isn't the void simply a blank canvas? By creating a void, doesn't it give us the power to fill it. Isn’t it all creation? Including the void itself. Is there an actual void? Or is it simply a manifestation of language in and of itself. Can we see it, feel it, experience it because the void ‘is’ or because we have been informed by giving it a name, that it ‘is’.

I've got a feeling I'm being really pedantic. Feel free to say so. I am quite intrigued by the concept.

*That is, by chance, or not, very close to a line from a Barbra Streisand song, from Yentl no less (it wasn't an intentional quotation...which is probably worse... luckily I had no credibility to lose – phew!).



posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 03:06 AM
link   
Hi

Just a wild stab in the dark re mabans grandfather but perhaps worth reading anyway with regard to aerospace company avro.
www.virtuallystrange.net...

If he moved to uk in the 50's like a lot of czechs did at the time then its possible he was living in Wales where he might have come into contact with the welsh name Maban meaning little child similar in meaning to bairn as mentioned by previous poster.
www.searchforancestors.com...



posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 04:11 AM
link   

Originally posted by spannera
Hi

Just a wild stab in the dark re mabans grandfather but perhaps worth reading anyway with regard to aerospace company avro.
www.virtuallystrange.net...


Very, very interesting. On a number of levels potentially. Names and places ringing bells. Either way, nice find


With or without Maban, very interesting!!

Some additional sources about the 'Project' and the seemingly elusive Dr. Heinrich Richard Miethe;

greyfalcon.us...

www.german-discs.net...

german-discs.net...

www.project1947.com...

www.thepeoplenews.com...

There was a major, well-funded and organised disinformation effort based in Canada post WW2. Most, if not all, of the Nazi/Alien/Antartica propaganda can be traced to there. Later they moved to disseminating 'Holocaust Denial' literature. I'm wondering if there is some connection to that here. The whole thing could be disinfo, but, there could be something underneath all that. I've been researching the British invasion of Iceland and there is an oddity or two there. And, Canada keeps coming up.

Cheers for that



posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 09:25 AM
link   

Originally posted by emsed1
It was absolutely amazing down there.


And we are talking of Juarez.. wow.
Perhaps we do still have a chance,
and that fake NWO will self-destruct.

It's good to see you back, emsed1.



posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 03:31 PM
link   
reply to post by scooterstrats
 

First off, it sounds like someone came in at the end of a conversation knowing only a portion of the subject matter. It's always best to know what you speak of before you make snide comments.

Secondly, You may want to hit the "reply to" button so people know who you are replying to.

Third, you tube is just a media outlet as is anything else you can find on the internet. You're assuming a great many things. If you cared to read the thread before you watched the video you would know that the portion of the video that "I" found significant was his analogy of the owls and rosters. One trying to keep us asleep and the others trying to wake us up while keeping their oath. Furthermore, I don't remember him laying anything at the feet of the Freemasons inparticular. I don't subscribe to that point of view.

STOP TROLLING.



posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 05:02 PM
link   
reply to post by EnlightenUp
 

I know that this may well be a bit off the mark but I think that I may have found a very close resemblance to your dream. I hope that it helps.

www.crystalinks.com...

www.aztec-history.com...

There are a few different variations, of the Aztec creation story but I think that you'll get the "straight to the point" version from the first link and the second link will give you a more descriptive version.

The thing that strikes me odd (or scares me a bit if I'm honest) is that Quetzalcoatl is the god in both Aztec, Toltec, and Mayan creationism. It's everything that comes along with the Mayan connection (2012) that gets me a bit spooked.

en.wikipedia.org...

By the way there are also some that think that Thoth/Hermes and Quetzalcoatl are actually the same "deity." That places some emphasis on the intertwined serpents, being that Hermes staff (the Caduceus) was two "opposing" serpents in a double helix form.

I know that the similarities are not to an exact science but maybe it will help.


[edit on 4-4-2009 by lazy1981]



posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 11:12 PM
link   

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
reply to post by EnlightenUp
 


This void thing completely turned my brain in knots...very random ramblings have ensued...


One's attempt to grasp at inconceivable concepts has a funny way of doing that.


I hope you're in an indulgent mood...


I do not partake in the sin of gluttony.


Anyway, I did reorder your OP to group together what I feel belongs addressed in conjunction.


By creation of the term 'void' your are able to conceptualise a void, imagine it. That you cannot describe it further only means that you have not yet found the words.


Because one tries does not mean one's conceptualization is accurate but may at best be a working model and the true nature may only be approachable asymptotically.


And, I fully acknowledge that I am probably missing the point. But to me there is never nothing, there is always something. If it can be named. When you name something the ‘void’ it becomes The Void. It is something. However intangible, it still acquires form. This is fundamentally human. The void, may be ‘a void’, but it is through being named, a something, a state of being

...

I'm picking at your use of language here, but a presence is a presence, it’s only limitation is the definition which you feel able to ascribe to it. Does a void have form? It has as much form as the language we can find to define it. That will over time accumulate. But it already exists in a form. Even if that form is just a word. (God is the word and the word is God).


Under this premise, the word "formless" is a single-word oxymoron.
If the void obtains form through conceptualization, then indeed then conceptualization is the creator of all things and things create conceptualization. This operates on many levels. So, I come back to the addage "thoughts are things" and its converse "things are thoughts" and the veritable explosion of manifestation that results. Sort of the serpent with its own tail in its mouth, excluding the middle. I am that I am-- unity and creation by contradiction?


Perhaps I am on entirely the wrong foot. What does the void represent, to you, or generally…? Is it a state of mind or is it representative of existence prior to creation? Of existence without language? I may have the fundamentals all screwy for a start off.


"void" gets used with different connotations. What Maban described that he would enter to defeat his enemies is something familiar to me from another dicipline.

"The void" isn't really a thing-- it's no thing, neither pre nor post creation and thus cannot be conceptualized in itself.


If that notion of competition, of the battle for perpetual balance is a nonsense, then why have so many people followed that belief for so long. The battle of good versus evil. Heaven as opposed to hell. Can you see how pervasive that black and white belief is and more especially was? How long it lasted. Why it lasted. From whence it came.


I did not see it as a battle for perpetual balance but as a battle for supremacy, a battle in which the winner is not a participant in the race at all-- the overwhelminly fervent grasping at an illusion that precludes understanding.


Terence Mckenna in Food of the Gods states that a Shaman is someone who can see the beginning and ending of all things and explain it to others. Language is our existence. Pragmatist that I am, for me a void, thus named becomes a void, and therefore a void 'is'. As soon as it exists it becomes something, as soon as it is given a name it takes a form. ???

...

I'm sure I must be missing something...?? But. Isn't the void simply a blank canvas? By creating a void, doesn't it give us the power to fill it. Isn’t it all creation? Including the void itself. Is there an actual void? Or is it simply a manifestation of language in and of itself. Can we see it, feel it, experience it because the void ‘is’ or because we have been informed by giving it a name, that it ‘is’.


If McKenna's definition is accurate, that which is within the Shaman's domain are things between "beginning" and "end". With modern cosmology, theories break down as T=0 is approached. An answer is to not make T=0 the beginning but to place another cause preceeding it that being the collision of higher-dimensional membranes which gave rise to what we observe as the big bang. As I see it, that just places another turtle underneath all the others in the proverbial tower.

All in all, no human (I assume they're human) musings I have found really seem to truely answer anything fundamental and absolute for me. Even asking "Why is is rather than is not?" begs a cause for something that can have none. Stating that is just "is" and never "wasn't" is a little better but paradoxically only increases the level of frustration I feel. Even stating "there are no absolute answers" is rather oxymoronic too.


I really don't know. Seriously. In fact lately I feel as though I literally know nothing, in fact, the more I learn the less I know and the more I have to believe*.


Perhaps this is simply being honest with one's self?

I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me. -Sir Isaac Newton


I've got a feeling I'm being really pedantic. Feel free to say so. I am quite intrigued by the concept.


I didn't really feel it was anything but searching for an understanding.



new topics

top topics



 
77
<< 80  81  82    84  85  86 >>

log in

join