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posted on Mar, 29 2009 @ 11:36 PM
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hatter,
i had to star your post.
the IP tracking page to mentioned is quite interesting.

i assume we are talking about e-mail protocols here.
what about instant messaging?
if it's traced as well we could deduct IM account used.




posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 06:50 AM
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EH.....I believe that you can trace an IM only during and shortly after its occurrence. However, there are programs that do this...of course. I remember reading about this last year...cannot quote source unfortunately. Probably was on Apple support!!

My post was in reference to a spam blockage with "questionable activity"; which I found quite by accident in following a thread from the main Ip address mentioned. By the by, said address is listed in the Nordic registry and one cannot go any farther than identifying the region.

I feel that Maban is aware of all of this and quite the computer person; which he mentioned several times. His group would have to know how to embed without detection. I think it is when lines cross countries that they are flagged or "looked at". This is another topic entirely.

A good day to you Sir...

Hatter



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by notsomadhatter
The company report is vague except for a few names.
Bazil Roberts is on facebook with lots of young friends and then this link...
www.eia.com.au/pdf/stagings.pdf
Pics on last page that are scary.


It's far beyond that, it's downright bizarre. I've been having repeated dreams somewhat recently of places with exactly those sorts of seating arrangements-- enormous rooms with couches everywhere, people talking important business in a relaxed venue.

Not only that, the WWII dream I had where a German soldier shot me dead during a U.S. raid on a farmhouse to procure some item that Hitler had stashed there had us in a carrier much like what is pictured in the first photo on page 3 (the canvas cover was on it though).



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 02:27 PM
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I am back from my mission to Juarez, Mexico.

I haven't caught up with the entire thread yet, but I will once I get my thoughts organized and settle back in.

Two months ago I asked Maban about specific intelligence on the area before my trip. I will take a look and see if I still have his notes and will let you know how they panned out.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 02:28 PM
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I truly believe that Maban is a keeper of the light!!!
There is a darkness....
Rise above!!!!

My computer is wacky....
Am onto something and cannot stay on the site....
I will share when complete...

A wonderful day to all!!!

Hatter



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 04:05 PM
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I thought awhile on where to post this, if anywhere, but since it somehow seems relevent to the themes in this thread.

I had a strange "vision" (more of an hypnagogic experience when trying to sleep) of two serpents, one light one dark, descending lower and lower into the void, coiled around one another in a double helix each trying to overtake the other in a kind of race, twisting around and around.

Suddenly I was in the void feeling the sense of total infinity, the serpents disappeared and a soft but stern voice spoke-- from nowhere in particular-- "Merovingian fantasies!" at which point I was startled back into normal consciousness.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 09:05 PM
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Emsed....what is the forgotten word of the Freemasons?????
Just was thinking about something that I had read a looong time ago in college.

Hope your trip was at least enjoyable!!

Hatter



posted on Mar, 31 2009 @ 03:34 AM
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Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Suddenly I was in the void feeling the sense of total infinity, the serpents disappeared and a soft but stern voice spoke-- from nowhere in particular-- "Merovingian fantasies!" at which point I was startled back into normal consciousness.


In a way that is quite brilliant, what you describe could be just that a 'Merovingian fantasy'. Sort of. It is very interesting either way.

I'd interested in what the phrase means to you, as in the first thing that you thought of in response to the words. If you don't mind...?

Thanks for sharing that here though. I'm strangely impressed.



posted on Mar, 31 2009 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
I'd interested in what the phrase means to you, as in the first thing that you thought of in response to the words. If you don't mind...?


The first thing I though of was "the void" where all the illusions disappear and you see reality in its true, infinite and undifferentiated form. My thoughts in response to the words themselves was to Google a bit since I had no idea what they meant or with what they were associated.

Besides historical info about the Merovingian dynasty I came across several pages that allege the Merovingian bloodline is that which is to give birth to the Antichrist.

The serpents coiling around each other reminded me of a DNA double helix. The intertwining made me think that the dark forces have attempted to intermix with these bloodlines as a way of gaining power. Oddly enough, those pages also state that the legends say the Merovingian bloodline is descended from both Christ and Satan (perhaps represented in part by the light and dark serpents decending from "above").

The fact that is was a "Merovingian fantasy" could indicate that such an attempt will be in vain and is purely a fantastic notion of those trying to sieze control. "Control" here does not necessarily mean dominion or rule but may refer to some perceived advantage over others in human advancement. I am thinking it a bit of both and one more than another for a particular individual depending on their inclinations toward a particular side.

Before this, another on ATS happened to bring up that God's true church will appear in the "wilderness". I had stated in response that that means (to me) that the "true church" will not be composed of those that have been prepped by formal initiations or are priviliged by birthright but rather of ordinary men and women scattered throughout the earth. I suppose I myself represented this possibility of those "in the wilderness" and thus the serpents disappeared and I remained.

Perhaps it was just some interdimensional being critiquing my random thoughts like movie critics. Hehe.

That's my take so far and a rather religious angle on it. If I overthink it I may miss something. Additional unexpected information that I randomly encounter later could shed more light on things.


Thanks for sharing that here though. I'm strangely impressed.


You're welcome. Strange thoughts I have at times.



posted on Mar, 31 2009 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by EnlightenUp
The serpents coiling around each other reminded me of a DNA double helix.




Cheque.



posted on Mar, 31 2009 @ 09:17 PM
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Emsed....what is the forgotten word of the Freemasons?????


Now, now you know better notsomadhatter. Why would you ask such a question when any one that knows much knows that it's off limits????



posted on Mar, 31 2009 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by Cadbury


Cheque.


Thanks. I took in a few pages from a preview. It looks interesting. I'm rather certain I wasn't on anything stronger than some coffee and a Tylenol from several hours previously though.



posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 04:51 AM
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Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Thanks. I took in a few pages from a preview. It looks interesting. I'm rather certain I wasn't on anything stronger than some coffee and a Tylenol from several hours previously though.


The implication was not that you were. Ask yourself who, or should I say what, told the Shamans how and why to blend that concoction in the first place. You'll need more than the preview.

It was just a thought...



posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 05:36 AM
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Originally posted by Cadbury
The implication was not that you were. Ask yourself who, or should I say what, told the Shamans how and why to blend that concoction in the first place. You'll need more than the preview.

It was just a thought...


Just joking a bit.

I have a notions at the top of my list as to the what. I guess I'll find out soon.

All I know is this sort of thing keeps happening more and more frequently were is feels like information is coming from elsewhere, much difficult to interpret.

KilgoreTrout:

Care to elaborate or present any sources as to why you felt "Merovinian" fits so well (if you would be so kind)? I'd like to get beyond my rather extemporaneous interpretation.



posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 07:01 AM
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True to thought.....and my posting the question was rather hyperbolic.
Noted and filed!!
Thank you.



posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Care to elaborate or present any sources as to why you felt "Merovinian" fits so well (if you would be so kind)? I'd like to get beyond my rather extemporaneous interpretation.


Well only since you insist...


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Besides historical info about the Merovingian dynasty I came across several pages that allege the Merovingian bloodline is that which is to give birth to the Antichrist.


Much of the mythical Merovingian 'mythology' arises from the book 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail' and was proliferated by Dan Brown in the Da Vinci Code. Both good books, both almost purely fictional though. The premise is that Mary Magdalene, with her child by Jesus, was dropped off in France by Joseph of Aramethea on his way to England. There the 'bloodline' can be traced through the Merovingians to the present day and some highly secret society called the Prior D'Sion. It has been throughly debunked.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
The serpents coiling around each other reminded me of a DNA double helix. The intertwining made me think that the dark forces have attempted to intermix with these bloodlines as a way of gaining power. Oddly enough, those pages also state that the legends say the Merovingian bloodline is descended from both Christ and Satan (perhaps represented in part by the light and dark serpents decending from "above").


The serpent was symbolic of the underworld in Norse mythology and amongst the Salic Franks. There is a character in the Matrix movies called the Merovingian, who I think is the keeper of Hell. Interestingly, the character is married to Persephone, who according to Greek mythology was stolen by Hades and taken to the underworld. Persephone was the daughter of Zeus and Demeter (according to some versions), and therefore Dionysus's sister. And, possibly even Alexander's if we fully embrace 'legend'. Zeus changed into a serpent to impregnate Alexander’s mother, and Dionysus’ I think. Maybe even Demeter too, he may have been a swan that time though or is that Aphrodite…very confusing. Merovech, the god of the Salic Franks, was the product of a rape by the Quinatour, a five horned bull-headed sea serpent of all things. The bull indicating some influence from Greece at some point, as does Clovis’ claim to be directly descended from this godly bloodline.

In Norse and Saxon symbology, the Shaman or medicine man/woman, is represented by a Shaman's staff entwined by a serpent. In Ancient Sumer, the same type of staff is entwined with twin serpents. It is usually associated with 'gnosis', specifically plant gnosis. The book that Cadbury recommends seems to offer insights that may be worth exploring. As you both point out, structurally there is a similarity to the double helix and the entwined snakes which is intriguing in itself. Coincidence? How could they know? How indeed!

The Merovingians claimed to be descended from the Salic Franks, but they are more widely acknowledged as being of Gallo-Roman descent, assimilated Romans, interbred with the local community. When the Roman Empire receeded they stepped in to fill the void. Their use of the serpent would probably be merged with that of Greco-Roman traditions. In neo-lithic cultures the snake is often respected and seen as representative of re-birth and transformation. As in most things, the fear and negativity only emerge the further removed man became from nature. It becomes associated with death and the secret of rebirth. Secrecy, like gender disparity, is seldom found in neo-lithic cultures. The two seem connected.

What the Merovingians did was install male-line hereditary rule and title in Central and Northern Europe. They were the 'enforcers' of the emerging Holy Roman Empire and can be accredited with developing Simonry into a major source of income for the monastic communities that were under their protection. They operated symbiotically with the church in dominating Europe, in wiping out first, any trace of Arianism and secondly any trace of Paganism or Witchcraft as it came to be known. They homogenised, by enforcing Christianity, the European continent and the British Isles. This went on, dynasty after dynasty, for many centuries, over a millennia in fact.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
The fact that is was a "Merovingian fantasy" could indicate that such an attempt will be in vain and is purely a fantastic notion of those trying to seize control. "Control" here does not necessarily mean dominion or rule but may refer to some perceived advantage over others in human advancement. I am thinking it a bit of both and one more than another for a particular individual depending on their inclinations toward a particular side.


The Merovingians certainly sought to dominate and they felt able to do so because they believed, were told or otherwise, that as long as the deeds were committed under a banner of Christianity, and that prayers were said in atonement for those deeds, that they would prosper in the next world. Just as the peasants were told that their hard work and compliant industry would be rewarded in the next life. The Frankish Kings didn’t have to worry about such things as ‘goodness’ and ‘moderation’ because they paid whole battalions of monks to say prayers for them, sometimes for years after their deaths.

The ‘fantasy’ for me therefore would be the creation of the whole illusion of duality. That you can cancel out your ‘bad’ deeds by buying ‘goodness’. Or indeed, that a hard pious life will afford it’s reward in heaven. That there should be any battle to achieve balance is the fantasy. That light battles dark at all is a fantasy. That there are only these two components to ‘nature’ is the fantasy. And it is Merovingian because they promoted it longer and harder than anyone else, destroying each other in the process in their race for earthly dominion.

The syncretistic advance of Latinisation consumed all other belief systems in it’s path for the sole purpose of accumulating wealth and power. In so doing, the very notion of ‘good’ and ‘evil’, duality, was created. This is one of the most pervading fantasies in the West, a creation and imposition of one culture over all cultures. The birth of religion as a political force. And all of it based on a reward in the afterlife, the black and white of life and death, the fear of eternal damnation. It is this ‘black and white’ reality that keeps the people in check, easier to rule, more productive. It is a powerful fantasy. One which even the Frankish kings had to guard against with their penitent monks to absolve them of their rape and pillaging ways in the name of Christ.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
That's my take so far and a rather religious angle on it. If I overthink it I may miss something. Additional unexpected information that I randomly encounter later could shed more light on things.


I was somewhat hesitant given your words above to impose my more secular perspective onto your vision, but then you asked…may not make any sense to anyone but me. I found that particular combination, of words and imagery quite fascinating though. I don’t have such interesting visions, I dream of Jon Tickle and liquorice. Says a lot about me but little about the human condition. I think yours did and I thank you again for sharing it.


Hmmm....? An after thought, is a void still a void if you are in it?



posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Hmmm....? An after thought, is a void still a void if you are in it?


Thank you kindly for sharing that.

The void is where division, form or other qualities cease to have any meaning-- perhaps even "infinite" and "timeless" (alas we're stuck with language here). And so by that definition, if I am at one with the void, then yes, it is still the void, always was and nothing about it has changed. More accurately perhaps, one's awareness has changed or perhaps disappeared entirely; one does not intrude upon it from outside (what outside?). It is right here, right now but we are steeped in an illusion. That's somewhat of a Buddhist view which seems to have relevance to what was going on.

My presence was just presence as always. One serpent attempting to edge-out the other in an invasion of what cannot be invaded is clearly nonsense.



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by EnlightenUp
The void is where division, form or other qualities cease to have any meaning-- perhaps even "infinite" and "timeless" (alas we're stuck with language here). And so by that definition, if I am at one with the void, then yes, it is still the void, always was and nothing about it has changed. More accurately perhaps, one's awareness has changed or perhaps disappeared entirely; one does not intrude upon it from outside (what outside?). It is right here, right now but we are steeped in an illusion. That's somewhat of a Buddhist view which seems to have relevance to what was going on.


I struggle with some of these concepts, it may just be the limitation of language, but my head has difficulty wrapping itself around such things. I'm persistent though.

...In fact, on second thoughts, I'm going to ponder this for the day and come back to it. I may have further questions later, if you don't mind.

An interesting think to thunk though. Thank you.



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 09:19 AM
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I don't have a ready made source for this, but my understanding of the Merovingians is that they were known historically as the "Thaumaturge Kings", that they had red beards too as I recall. Thaumaturge relates to magic.



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 09:58 AM
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Time for a laugh, maybe?

Obama tells us to Serve Satan

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