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posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by notsomadhatter
Yes, I am asking for permission. I feel that I have invaded a private affair.

With Sincerity....


If you have taken the time to read the thread, then any contribution that you feel you can make is most welcome. Permission is not required, sincerity is much appreciated, always.




posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by kshaund
I was also looking for Keys of Solomon :-) Thanks for correcting. I had a quick look at the esotericarchives link here and have to ask if you've actually gone through these pages? I'm always so taken aback by major works like this, but it looks very foreign to me (symbols, swords, Jupiter) - can you (or anyone) summarize it in a couple sentences..? It looks very interesting - thanks


As good a summary as any. A tad longer than a few sentences though.

en.wikipedia.org...


The Key of Solomon is divided into two books. Book I contains conjurations, invocations and curses to summon and constrain spirits of the dead and demons, forcing them to do the operator's will. It also describes how to find stolen items, become invisible, gain favour and love, and so on. Book II describes various purifications which the operator (termed "exorcist") should undergo, how they should clothe themselves, how the magical implements used in their operations should be constructed, and what animal sacrifices should be made to the spirits.

As in most medieval grimoires, all magical operations are ostensibly performed through the power of God, to whom all the invocations are addressed. Before any of these operations (termed "experiments") are performed, the operator must confess his sins and purge himself of evil, invoking the protection of God. Many names are also employed in the invocations, some of which are Arabic in origin, deriving from older magical texts from the Near East, while many others are clearly taken from Hebrew names of God. Elaborate preparations are necessary, and each of the numerous items used in the operator's "experiments" must be constructed of the appropriate materials obtained in the prescribed manner, at the appropriate astrological time, marked with a specific set of magical symbols, and blessed with its own specific words.

All substances needed for the magic drawings and amulets are detailed, as well as the means to purify and prepare them. Many of the symbols incorporate the Transitus Fluvii occult alphabet.

The book contains instructions to practice necromancy, experiments of invisibility, to cause harm to others, etc., and the zodiacal time appropriate for each experiment.



Judging by its style of writing, the book was written in the Middle Ages, and ¨there is no ground for attributing the Key of Solomon, in its present form, a higher antiquity than the fourteenth or fifteenth century.¨[1] Many books attributed to King Solomon were written in this period, which was underscored by the Crusades and the influence that the contact with Jewish kabbalists and Arab alchemists had on European magicians and demonologists.

Unlike other similar books, the Key of Solomon does not mention any of the seventy-two spirits constrained by King Solomon in a bronze vessel as the Pseudomonarchia Daemonum (16th century) and the 17th century Lemegeton seal of the demons do. What the Key of Solomon describes is not the appearance or work of any demon but only the necessary drawings to prepare each experiment.


I think that some of the interpretations of the key should be taken in the context of popular opinion at the time it was written/publicised. Such practices, for good or evil, were heresy. It may be propaganda used to drive a further wedge between the European peoples and their folk lore. Scaremongering. Or it may be the magic book of a hedonistic, grasping nobleman. I am not clued up enough to differentiate between the various possibilities and summon fact. So it is what it is, a book of magical rituals, tending towards the dark/materialistic side.





[edit on 20-3-2009 by KilgoreTrout]



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 08:25 PM
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Also I don't know if this is anything or not.
chtodelat.wordpress.com...


no doubts - those assasinated in Moscow - were noble human beings.
i doubt however it is related to Maban and his fellow Illuminons who died
in an apparent building explosion - per Tenzin.

those shot in Moscow were up against corrupt russian military
and government. that's, to me, a russian version of US military
industrial complex. both are wealthy, powerful, out-of-control
and hungry for more. anyone who goes up against them, either
in US, or in Russia - is literally - risking their lives...

Maban would likely support this unfair fight. however this is not
related to Maban's explosion. other version raised earlier by emsed1
regarding building blown up in Ingushetia, Russia appeared to match
description known more however to setup a "Refuge" in Ingushetia
which borders with Chechnya - knowing that both, in fact, are at
unofficial war with russian feds - does not sound logical to me...

if any news from russia to be found regarding a building collapse,
and time frame matches, we could possible trace and connect -
so far there is nothing that in my mind relates to "Refuge" explosion.



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by EnlightenUp
[Where did I say Buddhism influenced Hittite kingdom or its people?


Said influence is inferred by your comment that "The Bhuddist connection comes in via the Hittites".


Originally posted by EnlightenUpTo start with, reverse the timeline. Secondly, I made no claims about it in the empire proper. I put a pointer there so that it's possible for someone else to investigate instead of waiting for me to go back into it which isn't going to happen immediately.


Huh???? Why would you suggest that someone else investigate any kind of Buddhist connection in relation to the Hittites when the two are separated by hundreds and hundreds of years? What was this based on?



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 05:15 AM
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I think we have established that a link between the Hittites and Buddhism is unlikely, we can therefore dispense with the pissing contest and move on.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 05:18 AM
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Please go ahead.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 07:57 AM
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Thanks Kilgore - I never thought to try Wikipedia - interesting its how to capture and use spirits though, because I think that's what the elite do with their Bohemian Grove and who knows what goings on under all those 'state' buildings.

I decided its officially over my head.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by Roark
Said influence is inferred by your comment that "The Bhuddist connection comes in via the Hittites".


No, that inferrence is illogical since no direction of influence was implied in the statement itself. Only one is possibly logical based upon temporal order-- which I am and was aware of.


Huh???? Why would you suggest that someone else investigate any kind of Buddhist connection in relation to the Hittites when the two are separated by hundreds and hundreds of years? What was this based on?


Never mind it for the time being if you find it unsatisfactory and unlikely. I'm done for now here and will compile what it is based on again for later when I have the time.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by spannera
Sorry Emsed i had posted the link before.
I meant to write 'Key of Solomon' not the one in the bible. Oops!
Heres a link www.esotericarchives.com...
However it has just occurred to me that maban may have misundersood my original question and thought i was refering to this matter.
www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk...


Thank you!



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by notsomadhatter
Good Evening .....
I am new here....
and have been reading this thread for three days.....and re-reading this thread for three days.

There is not a butler in the pantry. The messenger has not been obliterated.

Please allow me time to demonstrate. I will pull together the links and threads.

I am a passenger only and do wish to shed an opinionated light on this tale.

Yes, I am asking for permission. I feel that I have invaded a private affair.

With Sincerity....


You are welcome here. Please elaborate.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 01:51 PM
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Hello Tribe...

I am going to call you that, and mean no offense; for it is what Maban has made of you.

Deus Ex is the game ......I have a son who plays this and have logged in under his name to do some more research. There is a woman there from Iceland who writes in a familiar way and I am awaiting a response from her. I do promise to keep you posted and will paste any and all replies here. I have also asked my son about the name Maban..his eyes lit up....and he said this word.."Halo".....I admit that I have not done this search, but shall this weekend as he will be playing this game.

The movie "Brazil" is to be included as well. Via association, there are many venues influenced by the Illuminati.

Okay...clarity here. I am a friend and a citizen..nothing more. I am not clandestinely, nor openly involved in any group. I am an avid reader and music lover. I am also an artist and do not disallow The Muse. I am 1st gen Irish and very spiritually tied to my Celtic roots.
I have just joined ATS and, as you can see from my posts, have spent most of my time reading this thread.
I cannot get any of this out of my head. " Everything is familiar." I feel compelled to
interject and have done nothing on the computer for the past few days but finite research. (My employment encompasses this area of word association and thread research..and, no I do not work for the Federal Government)

My internal sense has told me to participate and has forced me to begin this intense quest for completion. I apologize if my first comments were misleading.

I have nothing to hide from you and plan on disclosing findings and thoughts.

A friend in the world!!!!



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 01:54 PM
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This is an interesting post.

Maban did like the Deus Ex games. In fact he mentioned to me once that Deus Ex: Invisible War was possibly influenced by his group and that if I played it through and talked to all the characters there would be some truth revealed.

I know Maban was looking forward to the release of Deus Ex 3, but I don't know when/if that game is released.

I think he was an avid gamer and it's my impression that his group has provided a lot of influence in the background for many games and movies.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 04:19 PM
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Hello Notsomadhatter
Thanks for the offer we need all the help we can get. Cheers!



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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No mention of building collapse or explosion in Russia
in the time frame relevant to Maban's disappearance
could be identified by me.

That's is besides Nazran building explosion causes of
which have not been identified however Ingush president
announced public mourning. I doubt however this is
somehow related to Illuminons, that's unless some
Illuminons were Russian and/or Ingush...

That leaves us with several options:

1 - NIA commandos attack Illuminons on Russian
territory, building explodes and no news leak out...

2 - The story of Maban's demise is a planned fabrication.

3 - We all being played by some sophisticated machinators
for the sake of, possibly - training.

I liked Maban's message, I believe it to be true that is
why I tend toward the 'fabrication' version however we should
dig more on this...

Cadbury, can you please check when Maban's IM account was
last used? Can you search for Maban's IM nick on google?
If you can share it, perhaps we all can dig some more info.

[edit on 20-3-2009 by eventHorizon]



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 08:46 PM
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Eventhorizon...be simpler and less animated in your approach.

It is the space in between that keeps us together.

Peace in all worlds.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by notsomadhatter
Eventhorizon...be simpler and less animated in your approach.
It is the space in between that keeps us together.
Peace in all worlds.


first of - welcome.

secondly - i try to be as laconic as i possibly can.
you could perhaps convey the same intent in a shorter
and less animated manner, but that only speaks of
your higher abilities, not mine.

thirdly - the subject of Maban's demise is of interest
to me, and perhaps others. that's why i keep bringing it
back. you may like or dislike that; that's your choice,
however - i guarantee you that if i'll find myself having
a monologue regarding Maban's possibly final moments,
my posts will cease and you could re-direct this thread
into various subjects that fill that space that brings us all
together.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by eventHorizon
2 - The story of Maban's demise is a planned fabrication.


Personally, I give this one the top billing.


Cadbury, can you please check when Maban's IM account was
last used? Can you search for Maban's IM nick on google?
If you can share it, perhaps we all can dig some more info.
[edit on 20-3-2009 by eventHorizon]


I don't know if Cadbury will share so I'll just jump in here. I checked the IM account that I know about and it has a note stating (direct cut and paste from the profile page):

"Maban: Here today, gone tomorrow. | Post a note Feb. 21"

The message to Cadbury was dated Feb. 21 and he shared the full message with me on that date as well.

There is also this line (and this completes what's on the page):
"Maban: 'Tomorrow is but today, in a different wrapper.' | Post a note
Dec. 24"

[edit on 3/20/2009 by EnlightenUp]



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 10:49 PM
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The Bhuddist connection comes in via the Hittites. I have to consult my local history buff on the details but that might get you started on the matter.

These are your words...... Are they not? It is very plain to see the implication. I just so happen to be a bit of a history buff myself. And if I don't know the answer I thoroughly enjoy seeking it. So I did, and the Hittites have nothing to do with Buddhist. Sorry if you may have meant something else by that statement.

[edit on 20-3-2009 by lazy1981]



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by lazy1981
reply to post by EnlightenUp
 




The Bhuddist connection comes in via the Hittites. I have to consult my local history buff on the details but that might get you started on the matter.

These are your words......


I am aware of my words and chose them carefully.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by EnlightenUp

Originally posted by lazy1981
reply to post by EnlightenUp
 




The Bhuddist connection comes in via the Hittites. I have to consult my local history buff on the details but that might get you started on the matter.

These are your words......


I am aware of my words and chose them carefully.


Now you're just being annoying on purpose.


I am presuming now that you mean the Biblical Hittites or the People of Heth? The wider Hittites didn't, to my ability to find out, expand sufficiently to influence buddhism...unless you are implying that they are the founders of the Hellenistic culture. I could possibly, in that case, see what you might be getting at, although I'm not too sure about that...BUT...until you give a little more, it is purely floundering...cannot see the connection. I'm happy to go play fetch but I like to at least have a general idea in which direction the stick was thrown.



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