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What do you think of Rosicrucian?
Is this really a secret society that freemasonry stems from?
Do you think the current societies are legit and play a role in social engineering?
What do you think of their manifestos and origins?
Do you believe it may be a hoax?
Originally posted by illimey
Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me".
Maban says that [paraphrase] some people [like me] make the "mistake" of placing more importance on the messenger than the message.
In most, if not all, other cases I would agree. But when someone says "I am the way the truth and the life" it surely becomes impossible to correctly place more importance on the message than the messenger?
If [like some say] the human writers of the bible [in this specific case John] took liberties with the message and embellished or otherwise altered what Jesus actually said then it is simple to deduce that the message as recorded by them is actually worthless and cannot be trusted in the slightest. Some of what is written may be accurate, but we have no way of telling - so the messenger [Jesus] is obviously more important than the untrustworthy message.
If [like I say] the bible is the literal, inerrant word of God and as such can be correctly understood through the ministry of the Spirit of God, then the words of Jesus as recorded above surely have to lead one to the conclusion that there is NOTHING in the ENTIRE UNIVERSE more important than this Divine Messenger? His message would then become the 2nd most important thing in the entire universe!
Much [I'm sure] has been said on ATS over the years about the accuracy of the bible, and my intention here is not to start a "discussion" on that aspect of my post. What I'm looking for initially is a simple assessment of my logical conclusion as outlined above.
It is important that everyone here realizes that Maban's message is in ABSOLUTE opposition to the message of Jesus.
Maban is telling us that millenia ago some enlighted ones left among other things three secrets that can ultimately help humanity become all happy-clappy and at peace with each other and the cosmos. If we all do what is right [although there are no absolutes] then gradually over time it'll all work out just peachy!
Jesus tells us that we're all dung that deserves to spend eternity separated from our Creator. The only way to fix this is to allow Him to do it for us on an individual, personal basis. This earth is heading towards a fiery doom, but thankfully the escape route is open to all, costs us nothing, and is absolutely guaranteed to work.
Maban: I don't know if you are who and what you say you are. It is quite possible. One thing is certain - your New Age, eastern mysticism, become one with the cosmos through our own effort message is simply one more example of people believing anything but the truth.
Fact is - the truth hurts. We CAN'T do "it". We have already failed.
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works"
"Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness"
"Walk while you have the light"
"Love one another as I have loved you"
"Do good to them which hate you"
"Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost"
"Take no thought for your life"
Originally posted by emsed1
- Don't fear death
Originally posted by AKARonco
Do you have any christian shards? or illuminon that are christian, and believe that Jesus is our savior, our light. That Jesus died on the cross, as a sacrifice to wash us of our sins in Gods eyes?
I don't see how that belief changes your message whatsoever. Maban you wouldn't mind enlightening me on your perspective of this.
I believe you said (paraphrasing) God said not to worship any other god before me. therefore we are putting too much emphasis on the "messanger" Ive just always been taught that Jesus is God...I see your point its just hard to get passed-->Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me".
Originally posted by spannera
Hi Maban. Could you tell us assuming that you know which language these 3 truths which you speak of were originally promulgated in.
Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. (John 17:1-5)