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posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 12:24 AM
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Okay, I understand now. So what about the Bohemian Grove where all these guys go every summer, why not bust that up if the Shards are against them? The Franklin Coverup was true, wasn't it?


This is where many different organizations meet and work out deals as well as truces. We have considered doing as such, but the likely fallout would turn many forces against us, impeding or severely crippling our operations and survival. However, we have used it as an opportunity. By utilizing varying methodologies, we utilize Bohemian Grove meetings for our own uses as well. We collect intelligence, spread disinformation, and manipulate deals as well as affiliations. By turning them against each other they do our work for us quite effectively. All we need do is sit back and watch the backstabbing and betrayal like a soap opera.

- Maban




posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 12:28 AM
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Ah, no that was not a rant, but a deliberate and calculated maneuver.
Some questioned my tenacity, veracity, commitment, and point of view. I was also getting inundated with "help me" "damn you" type messages and wanted them to stop, so I made a small public display, and hark, they stopped like clockwork.

Just because things on the outside appear as unusual or uncontrolled, doesn't mean they aren't. What can look like a suicide run, is merely a diversion.

- Maban



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 12:31 AM
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Ah, no; this is not "zombification" but suspended animation. A sort of cryonic stasis. This could potentially be used for life extending, critical injury, or long duration journeys.

Interesting find though, although the methodology is highly crude, and hopelessly outdated.

- Maban



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:33 AM
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I'm sorry I managed to overlook your post initially, sandwiched inadvertently between mine. I am still sorting through your well, to be honest, utterly massive block of high density text. So it may be a while before I reach any perceivable conclusions.

- Maban



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:41 AM
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Well I read through a lot of this thread and most of what Maban had to say and tbh I feel like I just read a bad novel.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:49 AM
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To be honest, I skimmed over parts of the essay, but in totality I think you may be on to something. In my personal experience, you seem to be asking the right questions. If you wish to further discuss this you may do so in a U2U. Some topics I reserve solely to U2U's given their detracting natures.

- Maban



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:53 AM
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Well I am sorry that I did not amuse you, however you are entitled to your own opinion. But, reality is often far less "exciting" then a novel or movie. If you seek entertainment, then I suggest you seek it elsewhere, for you will find none here. People here seek meaningful pursuits in inquiry and contemplation, just to be explicitly clear without equivocation.

- Maban



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by Techsnow
Well I read through a lot of this thread and most of what Maban had to say and tbh I feel like I just read a bad novel.


On the contary, I have found it utterly fascinating and this thread has given me the opportunity to view a topic like this from a completly different angle than the usual (dare I say, often religiously inspire rhetoric) one finds themself exposed to when researching topics like these.

I commend the OP for this effort.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 02:28 AM
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PS, I loved the self destructing comms node bit on the page 40.
Must be a sweet system.
However, I find the irony is that at the end of all the encryption and scrambling etc, the last line is still the tried and true method of using, or constructing conversations using (as described) "assumed" information.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by Cauch1
The death penalty has been completely removed in the UK. Up until somewhere in the 1990's you could still be executed for high treason (killing the monarch etc.) however that law was removed. High treason now only carries the punishment of a life sentence (which we all know means about 15 yrs). So no matter what you do in this country you will not be executed (at least not legally/officially).


That's very good to know. I thank you



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by Maban
I would disagree. The first forms of government were indeed small groupings of man, if not in caves, in towns. People banded together for self protection. Many are stronger than one, thus better self security. In time the idea remained the same, but the purpose changed and twisted to what we now have today.


I would further disagree with you there. Two entirely different social structure. Government denotes governance, to be governed. Early social groups, that came together did not require governing, they were too busy surviving and working for the group to commit deviations that would require the will of the group to be imposed on the individual. You are perhaps confusing tribalism with governance. One is based on natural order and natural meritocratic leadership, the other is based on the need to control the populace at large. I agree though, that a return to tribalism would be preferable and work on more natural, self-sustaining principles, it is a far better means of creating cohesion.


Originally posted by Maban
Or we are confronted by a greater power than ourselves. A power which can guide us down the right path, if we prove ourselves worthy. A "mass awakening," would instantly change the battlefield overnight, from a war zone, to an Eden.


And, what would you define that 'greater power' as? Not far back you tell everyone to see that they are their own worst enemy...or words to that effect, now you propose that a power exists that will 'show' us the 'right path'. Does that mean we don't have to look for it ourselves, that if we just carry on as we are, that awakening will take place? I know that you don't mean that, but you are saying nothing that has not been said before by many prophets and millions are still sat on their arses waiting for saviour. The point of the matter is, that even with such a mass awakening, you cannot predict what the outcome would be. I am sure that you can see that 'awakening' does not necessarily convert someone to 'grace' as you call it, in others it can result in greed and avarice, a wish to experience all that life offers at the expense of others. Could you please elaborate on what you mean therefore by a mass awakening? Because in my experience, those that have 'awakened' are not, necessarily, any more open to change or peace those that are presumably still asleep. Some are, some aren't.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 05:11 AM
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Originally posted by Maban
This is where many different organizations meet and work out deals as well as truces. We have considered doing as such, but the likely fallout would turn many forces against us, impeding or severely crippling our operations and survival. However, we have used it as an opportunity. By utilizing varying methodologies, we utilize Bohemian Grove meetings for our own uses as well. We collect intelligence, spread disinformation, and manipulate deals as well as affiliations. By turning them against each other they do our work for us quite effectively. All we need do is sit back and watch the backstabbing and betrayal like a soap opera.

- Maban


I understand, and you got a point there I had also considered, but wasn't sure of if the Shards ever decided to go in and do something. But aren't only the most well-known members of the conspiracy invited there, like corporate CEOs, government leaders from around the world, etc, just like at the CFR? I would have thought they would know who's on your side and who isn't.

The backstabbing and betrayal approach, while it can work, it also draws civilians into more heated conflict and confusion, as we will hear more spin about one person or another. Has this actually brought down anyone famous? I'm sure Russia-Georgia's conflict is a product of all of this, right?



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 12:34 PM
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Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions I know there were many.

No I don't work in the defense sector. I am a student still.

Some of those questions I didn't expect you to know the exact answer but I really like the way you think about things. It's open minded kind of like how I think but not too foolishly open minded.

Do you or any other shards have any connection or contacts within the auto industry?
I ask this because I live in the heart of it and the collapse of it would truly directly effect my family. ( I still live at home for the time being )......my dad works for a company that works directly with GM and the others.


I try not too think too much about what happens next after we die but I can't help what ideas pop into my head.

Is it better for you as a shard to know many things or too know a few things greatly? ( ex: specialization.......i noticed you mentioned yours was weapon tech or something ).

..part 1..Do you guys nudge certain political aspects of our country ( usa ) like the remnants do ?

part 2: Are there shards and remnants within the politicians in the USG that either know or don't know that others are on the opposing side ?


I try to take what you have shared with us as I would take the info from lets says Jesus....Many people took eveything he said as " I must do exactly that....and Jesus is soo much above us and jesus this and jesus that........When in fact he was more about the message then the messenger...
Meaning that I don't take everything you say as truth just because YOU say it but because I collect those thoughts and mix them with my own ideas and form my own opinion.

I will have more questions later as I can't think too clearly right now....just got back from class and tired.

Thanks again for answering my questions.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by Maban
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Originally posted by Darky6K
Another thing, I had heard from a friend that on Art Bell's show a while back, an Operation Frankenstein was mentioned. Now I know that they were able to create virtually zombie dogs by removing the blood after death and reviving them, but would the NIA actually want zombies as a shock force? Art Bell has had some interesting thoughts on his show before and was just thinking. Seems bizarre.


What I have discussed is "zombie" like shock troops which are quite human just "amped" up through bioengineering. What you mention I have not heard of before, please elaborate. What is the blood replaced with, you cannot have a living creature without some sort of fluid to transport oxygen/nutrients throughout the body.

- Maban


Do these shock troops you fight know what they are? Or has that been modified also?



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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I would further disagree with you there. Two entirely different social structure. Government denotes governance, to be governed. Early social groups, that came together did not require governing, they were too busy surviving and working for the group to commit deviations that would require the will of the group to be imposed on the individual. You are perhaps confusing tribalism with governance. One is based on natural order and natural meritocratic leadership, the other is based on the need to control the populace at large.

Indeed you are correct, I made the mistake of generalizing, and losing my precision.


I agree though, that a return to tribalism would be preferable and work on more natural, self-sustaining principles, it is a far better means of creating cohesion.


Indeed it is.


And, what would you define that 'greater power' as? Not far back you tell everyone to see that they are their own worst enemy...or words to that effect, now you propose that a power exists that will 'show' us the 'right path'.


Not "will," but "can." Greater powers than us that "can" show us the path, if we prove ourselves worthy of treading it; proved through our own actions.


Does that mean we don't have to look for it ourselves, that if we just carry on as we are, that awakening will take place?


Then we will have proved nothing, or worse. Proved that we are incapable of helping ourselves, and not worthy of being helped. Why save lemming which will just go off and try to kill itself again?


I know that you don't mean that, but you are saying nothing that has not been said before by many prophets, and millions still sat on their arses waiting for saviour. The point of the matter is, that even with such a mass awakening, you cannot predict what the outcome would be.


Indeed, that is why it must be done by those greater than ourselves, individuals outside of our systems, outside our common perceptions.


I am sure that you can see that 'awakening' does not necessarily convert someone to 'grace' as you call it, in others it can result in greed and avarice, a wish to experience all that life offers at the expense of others.


Indeed "awakening," does not, "but Illumination does." If we were confronted by a known possible future, an example, and inspiration of what we could become, and solid factual knowledge that what we could become is indeed possible, indeed obtainable, it would unite humanity unlike anyone thought possible. There will however always be dissenters, voices counter to change, to progress, and there always will be. But if we can move past them, or uplift them with us, then we stand a great chance at making a better and brighter future for us all, and our children, and their children's children.


Could you please elaborate on what you mean therefore by a mass awakening? Because in my experience, those that have 'awakened' are not, necessarily, any more open to change or peace those that are presumably still asleep. Some are, some aren't.


A mass "awakening" brings a degree of new found truth to our world. Truth about its past, and truth about our future. At which point a choice must be made by humanity. To continue our self destructive, self indulgent, and backwards ways; or embrace a new meaning, a new definition of humanity, a new era. An era to embrace Illumination. Once embraced, and truly, wholeheartedly pursued, this world will be transformed into a utopia, a paradise, an Eden.

- Maban



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:16 PM
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Maban, what is your opinion on the teachings of mormonism? Do you speak icelandic (ikkje,ikke)?



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by Darky6K
I understand, and you got a point there I had also considered, but wasn't sure of if the Shards ever decided to go in and do something. But aren't only the most well-known members of the conspiracy invited there, like corporate CEOs, government leaders from around the world, etc, just like at the CFR? I would have thought they would know who's on your side and who isn't.


They don't really, another good reason why we keep ourselves hidden, concealed. Infiltration is often the safest course of action for both our people, and innocents mixed about.

As for how we get in, ever heard this saying?

"The maids know everything."


The backstabbing and betrayal approach, while it can work, it also draws civilians into more heated conflict and confusion, as we will hear more spin about one person or another. Has this actually brought down anyone famous?


In a way yes, in a way no. We often make sure one simply falls victim to their own misdeeds. We typically spread rumors and convince power people otherwise about decisions. We keep them wary of each other. Whenst I said "backstabbing" I did not mean in a physical sense, but more metaphorical. They back stab each other by making new deals, weaseling others out of money or power through slight of hand and secret negotiations.


I'm sure Russia-Georgia's conflict is a product of all of this, right?


That is actually quite a complex situation, which has much history and politics involved. Something I admire about he Russians, they're not ones much for conspiracy. If they don't like you, they won't stab you in the back, they will just plainly stab you in the chest, after they've told you exactly what they intend to do. I'm not sure I woudl call it honor, but they make good blunt realists, something even I can come admire. That said, they keep good secrets, but they prize brute force or cleverness over deceit or misdirection.

- Maban

[edit on 21-1-2009 by Maban]



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:31 PM
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It is difficult to deliver an important message and insure that it is received clearly.

Throughout history when wise men have had important things to say they are greeted with a cacophony of voices, half are unquestioning worshipers and half are incensed doubters.

Inevitably the voices evolve into 'Help Me!" from the worshipers to 'Damn You!' from the doubters, which is exactly how Maban put it.

The noise from both sides begins to drown the speaker and the message and the entirety of the message is lost as it is debated, twisted and manipulated by both sides.

Even the noblest of messengers must feel worn down by the onslaught questions and accusations and personality-driven requests.

The message is nearly always the same: Stop being selfish! Love your neighbor! The good of the many outweighs the good of the few!

Instead of listening to the message and living the message, though, the cacophony builds to the point that the message is destroyed.

What can *I* do to help humanity?

How should *I* live my life?

Your beliefs are wrong because *mine* are right!

*I* am offended! *I* am distraught.

The message is clear and is repeated throughout history by all enlightened individuals.

We cannot have peace, harmony, unity, utopia until we learn to make our neighbors as important as ourselves; until we learn to serve without expectation of reward; until we realize that our survival depends not on killing those who aren't like us, but realizing we are all more alike than we are different and we all must help each other.

The question should not be "How can *I* become Enlightened?" it should be "How can WE become enlightened?"


Just my interpretation.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions I know there were many.


I actually prefer them all in one place.


No I don't work in the defense sector. I am a student still.

Well you have that going for you then.


Some of those questions I didn't expect you to know the exact answer but I really like the way you think about things. It's open minded kind of like how I think but not too foolishly open minded.


This is what I try to observe, and open mind, "but not so open that you brain falls out."


Do you or any other shards have any connection or contacts within the auto industry?


Yes, but it's not what you expect. We could not agree with the "Big 3's" tactics nor methods, so we work exclusively through the Tokyo Shard with Nissan, Toyota, Honda, and a few others. They are the most innovative and able to successfully bring change with good ideals and values.


I ask this because I live in the heart of it and the collapse of it would truly directly effect my family. ( I still live at home for the time being )......my dad works for a company that works directly with GM and the others.


We are tackling this from another angle, we are helping a few in key positions to effect change and progress, but its proving to be more difficult than initially thought. Many obstacles remain in our way for promoting change through these companies.


I try not too think too much about what happens next after we die but I can't help what ideas pop into my head.


This is how I at least look at this. When you die, that is it, nothing awaits you but oblivion. And I am not talking about a dark void or oblivion. You simply cease to exist, all that you are, all that you were, gone forever.

I take solace in this fact because it drives me. I figure that if this is my end, if this is the worst that can happen then so be it. Because knowing this drives me to make the most of this life, to make the most difference, the most changes, and most good while I am here. Every time I walk into an engagement, It may be my last. But I do it knowing I have helped effect great change, and my kind will continue on to do so because of my sacrifices. I think if all could find a worthy cause to stake all on, if they let go of the life after and fully embraced the life here, and now, we woudl have a much better world. So I encourage you to be one of the few that makes that great first step, which can begin a movement.


Is it better for you as a shard to know many things or too know a few things greatly? ( ex: specialization.......i noticed you mentioned yours was weapon tech or something ).


I woudl say I know a little about allot, and allot about a little.


..part 1: Do you guys nudge certain political aspects of our country ( usa ) like the remnants do ?


To a degree yes. For example, during the last presidential election we ensured that the votes were properly and ethically counted, furthermore we ensured that Inauguration went smoothly. There were a few "disturbances" but we quietly dealt with them before the Secret Service even got wind of them.


part 2:Are there shards and remnants within the politicians in the USG that either know or don't know that others are on the opposing side ?

As of now we do not have any Illuminons in public offices, elected or otherwise appointed positions, if thats what you are asking. But those whom are close to such people, do warn those they assist of certain dangers, in an indirect and nonfactual way.


I try to take what you have shared with us as I would take the info from lets says Jesus....Many people took everything he said as " I must do exactly that....and Jesus is soo much above us and Jesus this and Jesus that........When in fact he was more about the message then the messenger...
Meaning that I don't take everything you say as truth just because YOU say it but because I collect those thoughts and mix them with my own ideas and form my own opinion.


Precisely, I woudl not have it nor want it any other way. Those whom have come to believe that Jesus is more important than his message (like some Evangelicals) are gravely amiss and have strayed from the original purpose of his existence, but I digress.

- Maban

[edit on 21-1-2009 by Maban]



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
Do these shock troops you fight know what they are? Or has that been modified also?


I believe they know their purpose, I believe they possess a degree of self awareness, but as for self preservation, higher thought, or a comprehension of "what" they physically are, no, I do not. They are well trained (genetically speaking via genetic memory) however their skills are limited and few.

- Maban




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