Cigarette prices expected to double this upcoming week? What would cause this?

Originally posted by DisabledVet
No other product has killed more people.

Cars? Guns?

There are two products that most likely have killed more people. In fact most smoking deaths are said to be linked to smoking, i.e. - heart attacks. In fact, a heart attack can be caused by genetics alone or various other reasons.

i enjoy smoking, like some do on this board, but would not pay out the butt for a pack. Rather, i buy big things of tobacco and roll them at my convenience, barley hurts me pockets!
to all the people that are saying smoking is the devil and you shouldn't because a pleiadian in a stupid video with a german accent tells you not to, your killing yourself quicker than us smokers are, with stupidity.
if you want to talk crap about smoking, do something first,

take a look at the world around you.....

and then you'll see why we smoke.

"How many packs of cigs do you smoke a day? Two!!!?? Crap, your the jack lelane of smoking compared to me. I go through two lighters a day!!!!!! " - Bill Hicks

Good, with price going up, my dad can cut back on smoking. 1) I'm really concern about his health. 2) I'm really concern about my own health, I have sensitive lungs, so inhaling anything smoke will make me very sick.

But still, it is odd that cigarette price is going up for no reason, could it industry trying make a few quick bucks by following the raising food and gas prices. I mean addiction and dependency is a *****, no matter how expensive the material or object is, if you want it, you will eventually have to get it in someway, shape or form.

I'm not a smoker myself, but it still amazed me when I lived in California how these "health nuts" who will cough if someone lights a cigarette a block away from them, will jog at rush hour right down the side of the expressway. In San Jose, most months the air was so thick, you couldn't see three blocks and they're worried about second hand smoke.

I read that some autopsies done on 5 year olds in Los Angeles revealed lungs like 30 year smokers.

When someone dies of lung cancer, how do they know it's not air pollution? How do they separate those statistics?

My mother has smoked for fifty years. She eats anything with loads of animal fat, never eats vegetables, gets no real exercise and she's not one to giggle her way through adversity, in other words, she's a pessimist. In fact, she pretty much does everything the opposite of what doctors today say you should be doing. On the other hand, my grandmother died of lung cancer and she never smoked a day in her life, or drank, and lived out in the country and the food came from the farm, back in the days before the widespread use of pesticides.

Point is, sure, cigarettes are bad for you. But what isn't? You can do everything "right" and odds are you're still going to die of cancer-- what is it now? One in three.

Liberal or conservative or whatever-- stop trying to control everyone's behavior.

[edit on 5/4/08 by kattraxx]

yeah people who smoke are idiots,just like people who drive are idiots.You people are so addicted to your lazy ass lifestyle,that whatever you do,you will die from some cardiovascular disease whether you smoke or not,because you spend so much time in a cloud of brake dust,clutch dust,tire rubber dust,and exhaust fumes,not to mention the gas fumes at the gas pump...the second hand smoke that you need to worry about comes from your #ing car,assholes,not cigarettes.
I see so many stupid people who just go along with the mainstream opinion on everything.Smoking is not a good habit,but I think being dependant on petroleum is worse.Go smoke a whole pack of cigarrettes in a closed room,and then go sit in your garage with your car running,see which kills you first.
You all actually think all of these people who die of lung cancer die from second hand cigarette smoke?,the ones who never smoked in their life?,it is from you and your goddamned cars,you are destroying everything,it is getting to the point where there is no place to hide.
I ride a bicycle,I breath the # you spread,and deal with your dumb asses on your cel-phones,driving around blind.
I hope gas goes up beyond what you cage monkeys can afford.
Cigarettes are inconsequential compared to the amount of pollution cars generate,but there is so much money in them that you are being led to believe it is the fault of lowly cigarette smokers that you have all of your health issues,
Your health issues are the result of your own laziness.
Fast food,fumes from the interiors of your cars,oil smoke,aircraft exhaust,two stroke engine smoke from your weed eaters,and the crap you spray everywhere to kill weeds and bugs,spraypaint fumes,em radiation from your celphones and towers,fumes from the inside of your beautiful new Mc Mansion,the plastics you clothe yourselves with,the # you use to wash your clothes with,all the junk you spray around to cover your own stink.
Stupid consumers.
it is the tobacco users fault,yeah...
Too bad smokes may be going up,cuz I spend so little money not driving,it would make little difference to me if I did smoke.
But a lot of the other # has got to go.
Americans are so superficial,they deserve anything that happens to them.

Originally posted by DisabledVet
You know honestly, I am glad. I hope they make cigarettes so expensive no one can afford them.


People who smoke are idiots. Yes plain and simple.

Why not take a bullet to your brain...or do you prefer to kill yourself over a long period of time?

No other product has killed more people. No other product has as many entities trying to warn you not to use it...showing and proving to you how bad it is for you... but you smokers just keep on going. I have no respect for someone who has no respect for their own health.

Perhaps if we had no more smokers the burden on our health system which the MAJORITY is from smoking related problems would be reduced to such an extent that more people would be able to afford health insurance.

I think if you smoke you should be immediately denied any type of health insurance. Thats like seat belts for crash test dummies.

One other product has killed as many or more.. its called human stupidity and it comes free with your body. Im sorry but i tend to run into more idiots than smokers at a day of work. And the smokers arent usually that stupid but the fat lady with the walker candy bar and soda who watches the cursor blink at her state job.. she has a high chance of dying.
Joe

Originally posted by Techsnow

Its also a means of escape while at work.

This is what pisses my off. "Smokers" get to take a smoke break and non-smokers get no breaks at work. haha Smokers always got that extra break to go smoke. At least all of the jobs I worked at. The first cigarette I smoked was 11 years ago. I smoked a good bit while in college and working in restaurants (1-2 packs a/week). I never got addicted to them though. When I hit 30, it was "off and on" smoking (while drinking only, we've all heard that one before, :lol. It was strange, I would never smoke during the day and I never smoked at work. Hence, my opening couple of sentences. Now I'm 36 and smoked a couple of cigarettes in 6 months. I just never ever got a craving for them like most people. Before someone asks "If you smoke so little, why even continue?" SAVE IT!!! The answer is BECAUSE I CAN and not worry about having to have another and another and another......

But you bet ur arse if I feel like smoking a cigarette in the near future I'll do it because I know I won't continue. I feel sorry for the ones that can't quite. $8/pack, damn!!!!

Smokes in Atlanta Georgia area spiked to $27.99 for Doral from last week at $21.99 both do not include taxes.

Whether you smoke or not, it won't matter to anyone of us in 100 years.
We all will be dead.

Instead of my normal average of about 4 an hour, I am cutting back and smoking only 2 if I can keep it up. I will not quit.

We all have a chance of dying every day. Normally one would want to minimize the risk. The fear of death keeps many people alive. The fear of death, for some fades over time.

Originally posted by mlmijyd
Why don't 'YOU' the stupid smoker, not give 'THEM' any more of your hard earned cash (this alone should make you see sense) and stop abusing 'YOUR' body and those around you!

Just take control of the one thing you can in this world, YOUR body

That's rather judgmental of you, fellow ATS member. What's your weakness? Maybe the rest of us would find it "stupid".

Promote a nicer world. Think about what you say, before you say it. Kind of the same message, wouldn't you agree?

That's right,in less than 100 years it won't make any difference.Global warming won't do it,Tobacco won't do it.....Petroleum and petroleum by-products and waste materials from the production of petroleum products,and the packaging waste and reside will do it.
The little guys are always made to take the blame for the corporations mess,and clean it up too.
The problem are the corporations,who make the products that pollute everything.They sell tobacco too,and they own the insurance companies,and if they are losing money treating diseases caused by tobacco use,where do their interests lie?.
I wonder what Charlie Manson was talking about?,I wonder if he could see the future?,I wonder if that is why he is still in prison,even though he didn't commit the crimes himself.....................I wonder if he did the things they claim he did?,or was it just another case of manipulating public opinion through the media?.
I wonder about a lot of things.....
Global warming?!!!!,my god,there will be floods and the landfills will start leaching into the ground water........Ahhhhhhhhhhh
It is always something...
But not tobacco.
One more thing,it isn't that there is a chance we will die one day,you can't minimise the risk,it is not an option to be controlled,it is necessary,YOU WILL,regardless of what you do to avoid it.
Makes no difference anyway.


[edit on 4-5-2008 by chiponbothshoulders]

Perhaps if we had no more smokers the burden on our health system which the MAJORITY is from smoking related problems would be reduced to such an extent that more people would be able to afford health insurance.

MAJORITY? How can lung cancer be the majority when it isn't even the leading cause of death, which is heart disease. In fact, lung cancer doesn't even make up the majority of death by cancer.

Check your facts.

It does kill many people, but such a gross misrepresentation is ridiculous.

Instead of eating that big mac with a side of grease, smoke a cigerette and have a salad.

One of the last things made in America..probably shipping them overseas thus limiting our supply here.

Originally posted by chiponbothshoulders
You all actually think all of these people who die of lung cancer die from second hand cigarette smoke?,the ones who never smoked in their life?,it is from you and your goddamned cars,you are destroying everything,it is getting to the point where there is no place to hide.
I ride a bicycle,I breath the # you spread,and deal with your dumb asses on your cel-phones,driving around blind.

I would argue that hate-mongers are destroying the world. I wager that if a nice diesel powered ambulance came to rescue you after a motorists stops to call 911 on their cell phone after you crash your bicycle, that you would not turn down that ride.

The OP wanted to know if anyone had heard anything about the price of smokes doubling in the next week, but people with low self esteem, you know the ones, they insult YOU to make themselves feel better have seemed to derail this thread. Good job hate mongers!

I myself live in Kansas and have not seen any increase in the price of smokes, and I have heard nothing about them going up in price anytime soon, whether from taxes or any other reason. I hope it's not true, as a smoker it would suck a great deal and I would probably quit, but then that means my family would have to take a long vacation, because there is no way they want to be around me when I am quitting an addiction that is considered worse than heroin.

And for the record, heart disease kills more people than smoking related lung cancer, check your facts people before you start mouthing off!

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" JACKASSES!

I think this whole discussion about the health effects of smoking is really masking the true issue here and that is the epically MASSIVE taxation on this product. I mean seriously, how on Earth have we, as Americans, allowed our government to tax it's citizens this way??

Taxes, and not health effects are the real issue related to smoking and I've almost never heard it mentioned by anyone in a conversation about smoking. Am I really the only one who sees this massive taxation as criminal?

Think about who smokes, it's not the rich, I would wager that the vast majority of people who do smoke are within the middle to low income ranges. When coupled with the excessive taxation on tobacco products, cigarettes constitute a large portion of their income. I'd even wager a bet that poorer smokers smoke more cigarettes per day than do more affluent smokers.

I'm sure there are some reading this and saying "Then why don't the idiot smokers just quit?" Because, as you probably wouldn't understand, many of us have little joy to look forward to every day and if a cigarette helps us get out of bed and face another miserable day then you can't deny us a smoke. I quit smoking last year and you know what happened? I remembered why I started in the first place!

So lets stop this foolish bickering about what's healthy and what's not and focus on the issue we're not supposed to focus on, that of massive excessive taxation at a time when the economy doesn't permit most of us many pleasures to begin with.

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Right on! Dammned hypocrites and their apathy!

I don't live anywhere near car exhaust pollution, i'm at a mile high in a small mountain town where there's not much traffic. What I did notice though is that shortly thereafter the indoor smoking ban around here, there has been an increase in pollution from secondhand smoke. So many people are forced outside in crowds to smoke, that during breaks in music sets the bars empty into the streets with EVERYONE smoking. As a result, a huge cloud ends up forming pretty quickly that just sticks around and causes the whole town to reek. I find cigarette smoke absolutely disgusting and painful, as my eyes and sinuses burn from whatever toxic chemicals they're putting in it. I also spend most of my time outside as being indoors just sucks, so at night i bike and skate. A few times on party weekends i had to hike up out of town to get away from it. I don't ever go into bars, but now smokers are invading my clean outdoor air. Go back inside and pollute yourself, but leave the outdoor fresh air for those who still care about silly things like breathing air that doesn't burn. I voted to keep smokers rights intact because government regulation of one's personal choice is absolutely more disgusting than the chemicals they put in the smokes.

What really disgusts me is that even after the smoke settles, there's so much outdoors that at 4am the whole town smells like a dirty ashtray, littered with trash, thanks to the government mandating that pollution not be contained indoors.

Hate Mongers?,did I imply that i hated anyone.
Hate is more of an action,it generally isnt' covered by words,unless of course you think saying something is a hate crime,which is a communist/socialist kind of law.
Sticks and stones may break my bones,but names will never hurt me,kind of garb....

The real problem is petroleum,how much it costs,and how expensive everything is getting because of that,and then the pollution it causes,spray some lysol on it so you smell the nice petroleum derived perfuminess,instead of the truth.
And yes,smokes are going up in price.
Ahh

[edit on 4-5-2008 by chiponbothshoulders]

Edit: Insults removed.

[edit on 4-5-2008 by intrepid]

Maybe when you smokers and non-smokers get done calling each other names you'll see this is nothing more than another right being stripped away at the same time they erase the middle class they legally allowed to get addicted.

One more step towards a Nazi America. Yay. Why can we smoke cigs but not weed when it is proven less dangerous? Hmm. Once again, open your eyes people.

Edit: Drug reference removed.

[edit on 4-5-2008 by intrepid]

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I'm glad you only have two shoulders. You're very angry.
That can be unhealthy too.
But I think you're right about the real issue, and that is petro prices.

I haven't heard anything about a drastic upswing in prices. We'll know soon enough.

Please folks..like others have mentioned, this thread is not about health effects of smoking, it's about a possible price increase coming shortly. A bigger one than usual. Let's stay focused on that..
thanks a lot..