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posted on May, 4 2008 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
 


It's interesting to keep in mind here, that Rumsfeld admitted to Congress, on the day before 9/11, that the Pentagon could not account for nearly a third of our entire national debt.


Is the national economy being driven into the ground like Flight 93 just so we can pay the mercenaries?


What you're referring to is called "Casus Belli" : Latin for "Justification of War" and here is a quote from Wikipedia :



Casus belli is a Latin language expression meaning the justification for acts of war. Casus means "incident", "rupture" or indeed "case", while belli means "of war". It is usually distinguished from casus foederis, with casus belli being used to refer to offenses or threats directly against a nation, and casus foederis to refer to offenses or threats to another, allied, nation with which the justifying nation is engaged in a mutual defense treaty, such as NATO.


I've talked about this elsewhere on ATS but I never knew the Latin phraseology until the other day and its full meaning but understood the context and subtleties of it because I have been studying every conceivable concept of warfare My entire life.

Here's a YouTube video of "Shinedown : Heroes" to go with all of this thread :



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posted on May, 4 2008 @ 10:33 PM
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Here's an interesting book called Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001 about the lead up to September 11th.

Here's a short review I wrote elsewhere on the book :


Another in depth look at how the C.I.A. and U.S.Government funded the the Middle Eastern factions to toss out the Russian's and then when a policy shift happened abandoned them. A great read and a must read if you want to know what's really going on in the War on Terror, before it was "officially" declared.


This is of course during the Cold War before there was a heavy need for organization's like Blackwater, DynCorp, and Triple Canopy.

Here's another book called No Place To Hide and then a review I did on it elsewhere :


This book is an interesting look into what the U.S.Federal Government is going to subvert the U.S.Constitution through the privatization of the intelligence agencies to spy on everyone with the U.S.A.Definately a must read if you want a fast track on what's really happening.



posted on May, 4 2008 @ 11:04 PM
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I found these two interesting website links while watching that "Shinedown" video on YouTube. Of course the video is not the official video and no I did not make it either.

www.nineeleven.co.uk...

and

www.911review.com...

Here's a music video from YouTube which is the band "Breaking Benjamin" playing "Breakdown" with video action from the video game "Resident Evil." :



I found this YouTube video where average citizens are declaring a "Citizen's Arrest" with an "Arrest Warrant " of George W Bush and Dick Cheney" :



Here is the "Arrest Warrant" in its entirety :


On June 16th during operation "Shock and Awe on the Oregon Coast",, members of SQUADRON13-DEPLOYED recorded this arrest warrant for Bush and Cheney at City Hall in Newport Oregon.

[Text of arrest warrant]
As former members of the armed services of the United States of America, we swore to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Upon discharge from service we did not renounce that oath, which remains our sacred duty.
It has long been apparent to us that our Constitution is under attack and has been deliberately and relentlessly undermined by domestic enemies -- indeed, by our highest government officials who took and have violated that same oath.

Many Constitutional crimes have been committed by the Bush administration, including warrantless electronic surveillance of American citizens in violation of the 4th Amendment, failure to provide due process rights in violation of the 5th and 6th Amendments, infliction of cruel and unusual punishments in violation of the 8th Amendment, usurpation of powers granted exclusively to Congress in violation of Article I, Section 1, and violation of Article VI, Paragraph 2, which states that all international treaties to which the United States is a signatory are "the Supreme law of the Land."

The wars prosecuted by the Bush administration in our name with our national resources are violations of all treaties defining the international laws of war since 1928, including the United Nations and Nuremberg charters, which uniformly prohibit wars of aggression. As violations of these international covenants and pledges, they also constitute high crimes against the United States Constitution.

Furthermore, the illegal occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan and other war crimes including torture and use of internationally prohibited weapons such as depleted uranium, violate the Geneva Conventions of 1949, thereby further violating the Supreme Law of our Land.

Our oath therefore compels us to issue a citizens' warrant for the immediate arrest of George W. Bush and Richard Cheney, President and Vice-President of the United States.

We call upon President Bush and Vice-President Cheney to surrender themselves to federal law enforcement authorities or to any private group of Americans that is prepared to make these citizens arrests.

The right of citizens arrest is deeply grounded in English common law and is constitutionally protected under the 9th Amendment, derived from the natural right of self-defense and defense of others. A citizens arrest is valid when arresting citizens have a reasonable belief that the suspect has committed a felony.

We believe that felonies of great magnitude have been committed, and the evidentiary bases of these are conclusively established in the public record.

We charge these officials with conspiracy to commit genocide against the citizens of another sovereign state, with conspiracy to commit mass murder of American citizens by waging a fraudulently justified war, and other high crimes described on our website, www.VeteransAgainstTorture.com.

Our charges include war crimes and crimes against humanity for which we will seek extradition for trial in the international criminal court at the Hague, Netherlands, following trial in the United States for treason and other high crimes against our constitutional government.

Source: www.VeteransAgainstTorture.com... and www.Squadron13.com...



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posted on May, 4 2008 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR
It is more isolated than it appears, I have been around Blackwater, back in Katrina they were guarding the FEMA administration in Baton Rouge. Nothing crazy going on, unless guarding the gate is suspect.

As for incidents over seas, they have different rulesof engagement, and are more free to interpret what limitations they have set on them.

I'm not defending those guys by any means, but it is not the group as a whole. Another thing, unless you have been over in Iraq, you will never know how hectic the $hit can get, one moment every thing is peaceful, as it can get any ways, and the nxt BOOM suicide bomber or IED attack. All in a split second.

Try not to blame any one until both sides of a story are known, because until then you only have half the truth. You have to be objective and look at things with an open, mind. Being biased is not makeing your self look better, just ignorant by choice.


2 Points to your statement. Your basing your statement on what you have seen and not what goes on behind closed doors. If you theory was good then Al Capone was a good guy too.

I agree you should get both sides of a story and then judge hence is why I watch Fox News and MSNBC.

The second point is they are illegal. I mean really illegal. Article I Section 8 of the constitution says that the US government and government only is to raise an army. They did this for a reason because there always run a risk of one man taking over and let me tell you...Blackwater is growing fast.



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 12:16 AM
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Article I Section 8 of the constitution says that the US government and government only is to raise an army.


Actually the wording is not restrictive...


To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

Constitution

No where in the United States Constitution does it restrict private individuals from raising an Army...

It simply mandates that Congress raise one...

Semper



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by semperfortis

Article I Section 8 of the constitution says that the US government and government only is to raise an army.


Actually the wording is not restrictive...


To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

Constitution

No where in the United States Constitution does it restrict private individuals from raising an Army...

It simply mandates that Congress raise one...

Semper


That's a very interesting bit of information you put in here, SF. What did you think of that "Arrest Warrant" from those citizens in Oregon?

I went on YouTube again and found these links when I put the search words "United Nations" and "Blackwater" in together called :

"New Modes of Accountability for Private Military Companies 1":



This one is talking about the legal accountablity and attempting to apply the UCMJ, or "Uniform Code of Military Justice", where a regular soldier can be Court Martialed and putting this into the context of Private Contractors, or organizations like Blackwater, DynCorp, and Triple Canopy. This of course would require evidence collections and witnesses coming forth. I wonder exactly how they could or would protect those witnesses though from a "terrorist" or "terrrorist cell" and retribution along with revenge.

Here's a link to a PDF on the Manual for Courts Martial : United States 2008 and you should beware before going to it as it's 980 pages long. Long read.

Regular Law Enforcement has enough difficulty here within the United States and the United Nation's Peace Keeping forces are limited to their abilities as well.

"New Modes of Accountability for Private Military Companies 2"



This talks about a conflict between the Department of Defense and The Pentagon along with convoys and protocols, policies, and procedures.

"New Modes of Accountability for Private Military Companies 3"



This one is talking about the F.B.I. and United Nations Peace Keeping forces along with other topics.

"New Modes of Accountability for Private Military Companies 4"



This one is talking about Human Rights and accountability.

All of this should also be prefaced with the fact that since the incident where Blackwater "supposedly" wrecklessly killed 17 Iraqi citizens, the State Department and Condoleeza Rice ordered all Private Military Contractor convoys to install cameras and to have F.B.I. Agents riding as chaperones to monitor all actions during convoys and escorts. I don't remember where I read that specifically but if someone can find it I'd appreciate it.

The reason I said this needs to be prefaced with that is that this now means that the F.B.I. will be there to watch and monitor all actions of Blackwater, DynCorp, and Triple Canopy and in essence will answer to them as well, and in a sense would be an additional force multiplier for the F.B.I. if the Government decides to designate this which would mean that these would now be "civilian" miltary forces directly "deputized" in a sense or maybe even directly if Martial Law should be declared anywhere in the world.

Oh yes, did you forget that Blackwater operates on American soil as well as the rest of those "civilian" military organizations? I didn't. This means that during an event like a hurricane, riots, earthquake, or anything that resembles "Civil Disobediance" or "Civil War" by the mass population that the "civilian" contractors will be under the rule of military law during Martial Law and will be able to literally shoot you if they feel so much as the threat of an attack.

Don't look at them funny, don't sneeze in their direction, and don't make eye contact. You may just disapear or worse be taken into custody and "interrogated" which is a nice euphamism for torture if the law is shifted one way or the other or even in its loosely written context was to be interpreted or even accidently mis-interpreted.


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posted on May, 5 2008 @ 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by semperfortis

Article I Section 8 of the constitution says that the US government and government only is to raise an army.


Actually the wording is not restrictive...


To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

Constitution

No where in the United States Constitution does it restrict private individuals from raising an Army...

It simply mandates that Congress raise one...

Semper


It says the government is to raise and support armies and provide for common defense but does not say a private company cannot I stand corrected.

I still do not think its wise to have private armies here in the nation. I think there are certain roles for the government (not that many roles but certain) and one of them is to coin and set the value of currency. Well we all know the government doesnt do that anymore its been subbed out to the FED. So soon we wont even have our own army it will be a private army. Almost like Rome. Slippery slope my friends slippery slope.



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 05:50 AM
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It's scary how close the rise of the SA (Hitler's Private Army) mirrors that of Blackwater.

The SA started out as a bodyguard force kind of like a Praetorian Guard for the Nazi leadership, but then it's rank's swelled, they were indoctrinated and brainwashed and then systematically used to crush internal dissent in Germany prior to Hitler's election win in 1933.

What's scary about these guys is their sadistic tendencies and they type of men this organization attracts. They're nothing more than hired brutes.

We've already seen countless examples in Iraq of Blackwater employees opening fire on civvies, disobeying orders and acting with regard for authority.
They don't care what they have to do as long as they get paid. Their piratically behaving like the SS did when it occupied Eastern Europe, just strolling through, doing whatever they liked without a care in the world.

The really worrying part is that they're practically a standing army as it is, but now their planning to expand them and their authorization?

That's ridiculous, the US already has an Army as far as I'm aware what the fk do we need these guys for?



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 08:08 AM
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To read any of what what the "sales-pitch" about Blackwater or for that matter any of the mercenary army organizations claim as the services they provide it sounds like they are supposed to be a "kinder and gentler" suppressing force.


Whatchoo talkin bout Willis?




Taking a look at the website you must first notice a few things about the company. Here's the link to their website for you to peruse :

Blackwater Worldwide (formerly Blackwater USA)

I'm not going to be posting anything directly from their website but indirectly through translating the "legalese" and imagery of what it says. Heaven forbid I was sued by these people because we all know that's exactly what they would do. NOT. Because we all know Erik Prince is oh so worried about copyright laws.


The symbol of the company itself is a giant bear's paw. You can see a picture of it on Wikipedia as well by just typing in Blackwater in the search field. You will notice that it is a bear's paw and that it looks like it is within a sphere being the two red lines that are surrounding it. This is imagery that leads one to believe that his services cover the globe or more aptly covering Earth. Now what does a bear do that we all know about? Well, first we know there are several types of bear's but that for the most part all bear's hibernate where they have eaten their fill of the Summer and Fall's bounty of the fruits and nuts along with any golden honey or even small animals along the way after having also done their territorial marking with a claw scrape across the local flora. The cute and cuddly bear will go into a deep slumber for the Winter where you sure do not want to wander into their cave because they are territorial animals that will rip you limb from limb if you accidently awaken the slumbering giant.

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When a momma bear awakens it is generally hungry as all get out so it forages for food and sustenance, and this is all of course dependant on whether it has a cub or two with it as well. The fact that a momma bear is highly protective of its offspring is known to anyone who watches any nature show like on Discovery Channel and any would-be moron straying into the path of the bear needs to beware of this because when the bear gets pissed off it is a fierce and mighty animal to behold because messing with their offspring usually pushes the momma bear over the edge which means that this person's life is soon to end.



I included a link to the movie "The Edge" where it shows just a regular kodiak grizzly bear reacts once it gets the taste of man. This isn't the usual bear in that it is looking for food or protecting its young but it has obviously tasted man and wants more. The kill scene of this movie is absolutely one of My favorites because it shows that intelligence of man overcomes sheer might and power of the wild animal if it is applied correctly.



That's a great movie to watch by the way in that it is sybmological of man against beast and the survival of man in the wilderness. That Blackwater (Amazon link to a video of Blackwater) uses the imagery of a bear is a strong indication of the mental imagery that is desired by Blackwater of its company. If you remember in "Batman Begins" or any of the Batman Detective comics that Bruce Wayne was terrified of bats because of a childhood incident where he was in a cave on the Wayne Manor property and he turned around and used that fear to instill it within his enemies.

There are only really two true enemies of the bear itself, that is of course man who hunts the bear for its pelt and the story of the kill, and the wolverine, one of the nastiest territorial animals in all of history.



This whole post has only been about the symbology and metaphor of the imagery of the image of a bear's paw.

Symbology from YouTube (cool song as well) :



An interesting video I found of David Icke on YouTube :



Here's a link to the Russell Trust Association which David Icke mentions in the video above.

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posted on May, 5 2008 @ 09:17 AM
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Speaking of symbology I found this story about critics of the memorial of Flight 93 from September 11th while I was on Google Earth.

N.Y. Times : Critics of Memorial To Flight 93

Interesting the symbology the designers chose there isn't it?



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 01:13 PM
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What's interesting about all of this is that Blackwater operates on almost every continent around the world so in essence this is a ready-made suppression unit under civilian contract to many government's who will not held accountable to the people who are protected by each of their countries laws which they grew up with under the beliefs that their ruling President's, Monarch's, or Dictator's led them to originally believe or were taught by the indoctrination through the belief systems of democracy, totalitarian, or tyrannical rule.

Keeping in mind here that everyone here within the United States of America was taught that we have unalienable rights guarded and protected by the United States Constitution you may now see a troubling trend where the entire protections that were guaranteed to us are now not there and have been stolen right out from underneath the people's noses by "guaranteeing freedoms" to protect us from terrorists across the world.

So if a "cilivilian" contractor having been contracted under the Federal Government in order to "protect" us from terror were to be needed under Homeland Security through FEMA, or Federal Emergency Management Agency were to order Blackwater to "restore" civil order to the United States of America they would fall into place to take away everyone's guns in one fell swoop, either all at once, or utilize "Divide and Conquer" (Divide and Rule) through individual states being placed under National Emergency status because of hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, "terrorist attacks", or whatever else you can throw in there along with the kitchen sink.

Of course there's also the build up of military strength and then the collapse of the Russian's in the Cold War which is pretty accurately portrayed by the movie "Charlie Wilson's War"

Charlie Wilson's War clip on YouTube :



Charlie Wilson's War clip on YouTube :



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posted on May, 5 2008 @ 01:27 PM
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Great post Im impressed with the time and effort you put into all the information and that is why you probably wont have to many people disagreeing with you. Im in agreement I think a company like blackwater should not exist. I was made aware that it doesnt say you cannot have a company like this in the constitution but it says that the federal government is to raise and army and provide for our common defense. I try to look at all things from a constitutional outlook because Im a strong believer in it I think it was wrote with great time and effort and every word in there was worded for a reason. I still do not think a private company raising an army is a good thing because it leaves it way to open for abuses.

I think if America really understood what Blackwater is 80% of the people would agree with me but the media portrays these guys as heros.



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 01:43 PM
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We must remember that, in the final analysis, Blackwater is a corporate entity. As such it has secured the rights and privileges of any commercial enterprise within our national borders.

It is simply impossible to judge the business' execution of it's contracts without accepting that the customer is presumably satisfied with the business transaction in place.

Whatever this paramilitary group could be guilty of within our borders, is one thing, we can fear the potential misuse of power all we like, but it is not yet real, and we are thus powerless to challenge it based on potentiality.

Whatever it is guilty of overseas, is NOT within our grasp to control or regulate - that had to have been contractually in place already - if it isn't, guess what? they got away with it.

The only danger is not watching them and their business closely. The only real threat is within our government itself, haplessly abdicating it's own authority and giving it to an unregulated business...., like say

FED
FCC
FDA

yada, yada, yada...



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 03:39 PM
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Okay so I've been thinking. I know, I know. Uh oh, right? So, what would Blackwater use to takedown and suppress opposition forces on American soil. That would be you, of course, if you've got guns, and George W Bush or Dick Cheney gave the go ahead to utlitize their superior militaristic strength to stop mass riots through Martial Law.

This of course would be where FLIR, or Forward Looking Infra-Red gear comes in handy to see the bodyheat of any "would-be terrorist" or average citizen who wants to keep their weapons when the time comes to take them all away.

Wikipedia : Forward Looking Infra-Red

U.S. Solider and what the soldiers overseas are doing with technology like FLIR while they're bored :



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posted on May, 5 2008 @ 04:03 PM
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I found this interesting from Wikipedia under Municipal Law on the topic of Mercenary :


A US Department of Defense interim rule (effective 16 June 2006) revises DoD Instruction 3020.41 to authorize contractors, other than private security contractors, to use deadly force against enemy armed forces only in self-defense. 71 Fed. Reg. 34826. Per that interim rule, private security contractors are authorized to use deadly force when protecting their client's assets and persons, consistent with their contract's mission statement. [One interpretation is that this authorizes contractors to engage in combat on behalf of the US Government.]

It is the combatant commander's responsibility to ensure that private security contract mission statements do not authorize performance of inherently Governmental military functions, i.e. preemptive attacks or assaults or raids, et cetera.


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posted on May, 5 2008 @ 04:39 PM
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Is Blackwater just the main invasion force that will be sent into the United States eventually along with other types of support systems like H.A.A.R.P.

YouTube : H.A.A.R.P.



If you think about all of this if they were to flip the switch on H.A.A.R.P. and knock out all forms of communications across the United States or any other country or even the entire world this would of course eventually become a state of National Emergency because people might start rioting because of mass panic.

On top of this wouldn't something like H.A.A.R.P. be responsible for "Global Warming?" Why are we the citizens being lied to? So, in essense Blackwater would be the "grunts" in this war on mankind that doesn't fit the perfect profile of the Right-Wing elitists while H.A.A.R.P. would be a form of air support. What else are we not being told about?



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 05:14 PM
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Blackwater won't have to be "sent" into the United States - because they are busy applying state by state for the right to set up bases and training facilities in every state on the continent.....and they are not the only mercenary-for-hire coporation that is doing so....Big oil has been using these private armies for years in places like Nigeria and wherever there is oil to pump and pesky populations to dispose of or move out of the way in the process...The extension of their use by the fascists that run our government is a logical step in preparation for.....well that is the question of the century isn't it?

TA
relashanti



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
Interesting to note that the original poster calls Blackwater "right wing", while relying on a book full of untruths written by a known leftist as a source for his "information".


Could you perhaps point out some of these "untruths"?



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by mybigunit


I think if America really understood what Blackwater is 80% of the people would agree with me but the media portrays these guys as heros.


Understood what BW is? It is a private company who employs large amounts of the same warriors our military trains. Navy SEALS, Army rangers, the GB's, SFOD-D, Force Recon, Scout Snipers, and on and on.

Do you think they inherently become "bad people" the moment the are in the employ of a company and not the government? Of course they don't.

The again, after listening to leftist tripe, and not having any actual contact with any contractors, one would be easily led into believing each and every bad thing they read about them.

Hypothetical: Lets assume you are a person of great resources (aka money), and something catastrophic happened. You had the means and the opportunity to hire someone to guard your family just to insure something bad doesnt happen to them.

Who do you take, a small unit of former SF guys, or your local PD Barney Fife's?



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Unit541

Originally posted by slackerwire
Interesting to note that the original poster calls Blackwater "right wing", while relying on a book full of untruths written by a known leftist as a source for his "information".


Could you perhaps point out some of these "untruths"?


Well first of all, they aren't mercenaries. They are security contractors.

Just like calling scary looking guns "assault weapons", the term is simply untrue, but is used to paint them in a bad light.

Secondly, Scahill is a known leftist, who has an anti-war agenda from the get go. Anything he can twist or distort to make a PMC look bad he will.

As he states in that video, he claims to have seen BW contractors in New Orleans armed with "M4 machine guns". Really? Did he personally go up and check to make sure there was a selector switch on that rifle? Of course he didnt. The boy probably couldnt tell a machine gun from a squirt gun. He ASSUMED, and in error I might add.

BW had standard semi-auto M4 carbines, just like the ones you and I can go buy at the local gun shop. This comes from personal experience.

He also neglected to add that BW contractors were employed by wealthy people in NO. They were there protecting private property at the behest of the property owner. There was even a stand off between corrupt NOPD officers who were looking to LOOT peoples houses since they knew they occupants had left.

Need I go on?









 
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