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What conspiracy do Masons believe in?

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posted on May, 3 2008 @ 06:28 AM
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reply to post by LightinDarkness
 


Why, because there are 3 or 4 people on ATS with the balls to come in this forum and take the heat?




posted on May, 3 2008 @ 06:34 AM
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Originally posted by cutbothways
Think about it. If Masonry is soo tolerant of ALL religions, isn't Atheism a
form of religion? So why are Atheists excluded.

Not all Nazi's are evil either, but would you want to be labeled as a Nazi?


People have little choice about what they are labelled.

It's an injustice of the world that is never truly addressed in a room where there are people with the power and ability to do something about it.

Atheism is a label.

Are you an Atheist?



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 06:37 AM
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Spirit7, this is getting old.


Originally posted by cutbothways
Not every Freemason has evil intentions. But the overall agenda
is to move people away from God. That is why you must confess
your belief in a higher power.


And your source for this is..what? Im a Baptist Christian, and masonry has brought me closer to Jesus Christ. How can this be?


Originally posted by cutbothways
If you don't believe in a higher power, then they (Freemasonry) don't
want you, because you don't need to be converted.


And your source and proof for this is where? Now it seems, tolerance is evil. This is getting to be more and more absurd. What exactly would you have masons do, choose a religion and then exclude everyone from it and persecute everyone who doesn't agree with them? Humans have done that in the past, it generally doesn't result in much happiness.

Why is it the anti's cant decide - first they tell us we are too exclusive which is why they weave their theories - because we do things in "secret." Then they tell us that we are too inclusive because we are tolerant of all religions, and that is why they have their theories. Please be consistent if your going to make stuff up, it helps your argument.


Originally posted by cutbothways
Think about it. If Masonry is soo tolerant of ALL religions, isn't Atheism a
form of religion? So why are Atheists excluded.


So first your upset because we allow all religions but tell us that is because we are secretly converting people to atheists, then you acknowledge you know that atheists are not allowed in. Do you realize how odd this sounds? If everyone in the fraternity believes in god because only those people are let in, then how exactly are we going to somehow convert people to atheists?


Originally posted by cutbothways
Not all Nazi's are evil either, but would you want to be labeled as a Nazi?


And things like this are why conspiracy theorists don't have the respect they deserve, they go around comparing millions of people to nazis.

[edit on 3-5-2008 by LightinDarkness]



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 06:39 AM
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No, because 3 or 4 people operate in a wolf pack form starring each others posts and trolling because they cannot take the spotlight of truth.

To quote a frequent saying of a Pastor in the media recently -

The anti-mason's chickens are coming home to roost!



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by cutbothways
Thanks, you do have some good threads, and I like the fact that you realize man is intentionally being moved from spirituality and into a mechanized world.

This thread was not meant as a trap. I will start a separate thread, on the dumbing down of schools issue, and show how heavily Masons influence that too, since it is one of my pet peeves...

Stop picking of freight. Jeez, it's like a pack of wolves fighting after the only steak.

Sorry it took me so long to get back in here to support you freight.



Im more obsessed with truth than picking on you guys.

Im glad at least some common ground could be found.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 08:32 AM
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I am here for truth too.

Hopefully, the truth bring us together, as that is the intention.

Sometimes, we could all use a little slap in the face to wake
us up.

Hopefully, it's not another 9-11 type event.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 10:28 AM
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Well at least your not trying to talk down on us and i thank you for that brother.

Personally i believe that the Illuminati has pretty much done all they could in order to corrupt this government and by this government i mean the United States of America and the British Government.

I also believe that of the NWO because it is there and it is here and it will arise but the Masons have nothing to do with it and i wish people would open their minds and realize this.

Being a Mason and a deep Christian and being this isn't really a conspiracy in its self i also believe in other lifeforms besides ours.


EDITED TO ADD:
9.11 - Rest in peace.

[edit on 3-5-2008 by Mr.x211]



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 11:33 AM
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Some of you have some pretty funny ideas about Freemasons. We're not some evil sect of flesh eating brigands. You wanna learn about Freemasonry? Go find a lodge, Talk to one of the Stewards, see what you can do to be a member. All you have to do is ask. You will find that it is not at all what you think. You might even find some of that "truth" you're all searching for.

[edit on 3-5-2008 by aravoth]



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 11:41 AM
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My Dad was a Mason and he certainly believed in conspiracies!

He said the CIA killed JFK.

Pearl Harbor was 'allowed' to happen so we would go into WWII.

The attack on the USS Liberty was intentional and covered up.

He believed that communists were a huge threat to the free world.....not in a nuclear way but more of an insidious, conspiratorial way.

He hated the CFR and the Bilderbergers and any thing to do with a NWO.

He believed that the Federal Reserve was evil.

He said the above groups were intent on creating a 'One World' Government and that since they could not bring the entire world up to the western standard of living, they would bring us down to the level of the 'third world' countries......and on this one, it looks like he's being proven right!




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posted on May, 3 2008 @ 12:05 PM
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I believe in the NWO (which are not masons)
I believe in the illuminati elite (which are not masons)
I believe that believe in bilderberg, trilateral commission, and banking cartel conspiracies to control the free world.
I believe that the government surpresses alien technology
I believe that the government has communications with aliens
I believe that most UFO's are govt projects
I believe that flouridated water is a method used to surpresss the will of the people.
I don't think that the Nazi Regime disappeared at the end of the 3rd reich. And that alot of the worlds elite assisted with their escape.

Ofcourse, these are all conspiracies I harbored prior to entering a lodge. And still do to this day, because masonry does not provide answers to these questions as I hoped it would......


Edit: I also think that Codex Alimentarius was not written for the benefit of the people, and may have detrimental affects on society when it goes into effect.

[edit on 5/3/2008 by Choronzon]



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 01:56 PM
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Wow.... Am I about to get in trouble with all y'all...


Seems to me that if some bunch of paranoids want to get together and bang on Masons, and Masonic Ritual, then the Masons ought to let them and not even blink an eye.

People like Freight, et al, are simply looking for a place to hawk their wares, and convert non-thinking people to their banner. Masons is as Masons does... You can't convince Freight and others that it is any different, and it becomes, very quickly, a waste of breath, and bandwidth.

ATS wants to let them hawk their wares and create National Enquirer mentality n an otherwise fun website, then I say... Let 'em.

Freight, et al, aren't going to convince Masons that they are right, and Masons won't convince Freight and the "et al", that he might be just a half bubble off plum.

And so... Let him and the "et al" rant. Folks wo want to believe, will do so, while folks who think its so much "bulldada" will do so. None will convince the other so long as people aren't willing to get out, join Masons, and find out for themselves what Masons are about. Bythe same token, those of you who don't have enough pooh to get moving and can not join the Bilderbergers, or the Trilateral Comission will never know what you are missing.


Just remember the famous book published by the Illuminati... "Never whistle while you're p**sing!"



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 02:22 PM
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They could rightfully call you paranoid too. They're not banging on any porch-masons. They're attacking the high-degree freemasons, who have control of the world-government.


Masonic Influence in the EU (www.redicecreations.com...)

Top Left: António Reis Grandmaster of Grand Orient Lusitano (Portugal), top right: Yvette Nicolas Great Teacher of Women's Grand Lodge of France, bottom left: José Manuel Barroso President of the European Commission, bottom right: Jean-Michel Quillardet, Grand Master of the Grand Orient of France.

The French Federation of Le Droit Humain represented by its president, Michel Payen, met on April 8, 2008 with the president of the European Commission, José-Manuel Barroso, [...] This meeting constitutes a major event regarding the place of Freemasonry in the construction of Europe; this place was underscored not only by the interest and attentiveness that President Barroso showed to the delegation and the time he accorded them, but also by the commitments he made to the values espoused by liberal and adogmatic Freemasonry, its positions and its opinions on subjects of concern. It was the first time that Freemasonry, as such, was able to express itself to such a high level European institution.

The delegation received assurances from President Barroso of his attachment to the spirit of "laïcité" and to the principle of separation of religion from the State. The delegation stressed the importance of the Enlightenment in the history of Europe, a dimension to be taken into account at least equally with its religious roots, and certainly more closely tied to the roots of antiquity.


Shadows in motion - Exposing the New World Order

Billed as the muslim view on the war on terror it covers a variety of topics: * The reasons behind the gulf war/saddam * history of the freemasons/were originally christian heretics after the capture of jerusalem/Al Aqsa * how they came to control England/France and then the US * The dajjal * they'r involvement in the entertainments industry * how they plan to assume control using ID cards * they're link with thie roschilds * only hope against them is Islam * the atrocities they have already committed using the UN * the AIDS virus


Google Video Link


[edit on 3-5-2008 by ChadAndrewATS]



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by ChadAndrewATS
They could rightfully call you paranoid too. They're not banging on any porch-masons. They're attacking the high-degree freemasons, who have control of the world-government.


Actually, this sort of thing is paranoia when attacking all freemasons because there are no high-level or low-level freemasons.Now, I realize that people want there to be high-level freemasons. I understand this desire. It makes it easy to scapegoat the world's problems, and it makes it easy to turn everything into a black and white battle between good people and evil high-ranking masons. Its sexy. Its apocalyptic. Its the stuff books are made of - and then sold. It is the stuff of enterprise on which millions has been made.

But for all its allure, its simply not true. And even though its the same group of people who propose this theory over and over again, they have yet to answer the following questions:

1) How is it that "low level freemasons" (again, there are none, but this is what they call every freemason because no mason knows anything about high level masons - because they don't exist) have no idea about their supposed high ranking counterparts, and yet those who have never been in a lodge and often never even know a mason somehow are aware of these upperranks?

2) In reality, all of the rituals of freemasonry have been "exposed" and are available for you to download or read in a book. So, where are the excerpts from these high ranking degrees? Why is it no one has ever exposed these high ranking degrees that conspiracy theorists know about and masons dont?

As per the usual, the quotes you use all come from unbiased sources. If there is any amount of truth to your theory, why can none of the anti-masons find a single peer reviewed source that backs up even one of their points? On top of that, why do you continually quote things that have nothing to do with the point you've made? Le Detroit Humain is simply a co-masonic lodge that - surprise! is not recognized as regular by any of the mainstream lodges. That such a lodge exists has no relation to your theory about high ranking masons.

But that is how you guys work, isn't it? You people make up theories and then randomly quote things have have nothing to do with it, hoping to fool people and cause confusion. Once again...this has been exposed for what it is.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 04:54 PM
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And stupid is as stupid does...

No offense intended to anyone, but to wrap yourself in something so tightly that you can not help but call anyone who doesn't buy into it, either

a: paranoid

b: crazy

c: in on the conspiracy...

???????????

Sorry, but I never thought that not buying in on either side of a fairly innocuous, no reasonable way out, generally insipid and totally unprovable, argument from both sides, would have me labeled paranoid.

I can't wait until Tuesday to tell my psychiatrist.


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posted on May, 3 2008 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by cutbothways
But the overall agenda
is to move people away from God. That is why you must confess
your belief in a higher power.


Could you explain that in a little more detail? Maybe I'm just slow, but that statement didn't make any sense to me.



Think about it. If Masonry is soo tolerant of ALL religions, isn't Atheism a
form of religion? So why are Atheists excluded.


Atheism is not a religion. Atheists are excluded from Freemasonry because the Masonic organization is theistic (the opposite of atheistic).



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen
There's no lodge numbers because Masonry is a SECRET SOCIETY,


My Lodge is Horizons #1032 Sydney

Ernest Borgnine is from Abingdon Lodge #48 - VA

Ye gods!! What have I done??


Originally posted by freight tomsenso if members don't want their membership known, it isn't.


So how come you know? Are you privy to special, secret information, or did you read a book by an ex-vampire/satanist/Mason who is seeking to expose it all?




posted on May, 5 2008 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen


There's no lodge numbers because Masonry is a SECRET SOCIETY


This statement in itself shows your complete lack of credibility. You claim to be an expert researcher and author on the subject...amd yet are completely unaware that every single Masonic Lodge in existence has it's own unique name and number.

The only people who consider Masonry a "secret society" are you and your gang. In reality, famous Masons are identified by the name of their Lodge, Lodge number, and date of initiation. If you cannot provide any of that, then obviously, you're pretty much just blowing smoke and wasting our time.



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by freight tomsen


There's no lodge numbers because Masonry is a SECRET SOCIETY


This statement in itself shows your complete lack of credibility. You claim to be an expert researcher and author on the subject...amd yet are completely unaware that every single Masonic Lodge in existence has it's own unique name and number.

The only people who consider Masonry a "secret society" are you and your gang. In reality, famous Masons are identified by the name of their Lodge, Lodge number, and date of initiation. If you cannot provide any of that, then obviously, you're pretty much just blowing smoke and wasting our time.


If you quoted my whole post, I meant there's no PUBLIC lodge numbers available to anyone for those secret society members who do not wish to be known. For instance, Jay-Z and Will Smith are undeniably Prince Hall Freemasons but I couldn't tell you their lodge numbers, I can only take you on a journey of symbols, numbers, occult ideas, hand signals, and professional associations which prove their membership.

You Masons know this, so it's easy to just pigeon-hole me saying "where's their lodge numbers!?" If you are new to spotting Masons (be they in Hollywood or on ATS) I highly recommend this site:

www.thebravenewworldorder.com

Watch a bunch of his videos and check out the other linked blogs. Again, it's way easier to just listen to the Masons who say I'm paranoid/crazy and none of these high-profile people are Masons. But I promise the reality is much more complex and requires your effort in researching as well. Read my book, check out that website, click around the links, a larger picture will slowly come together.



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 09:07 AM
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I actually have a problem with the title of this thread to begin with. Do you (the OP) believe that Masons are some monolithic group that has only one opinion about any subject (conspiracies or not)? I can tell you that you'll find varied beliefs (political, religious, and yes, conspiracy-wise) among the Masons on this forum. Just like you'll find that Masons come from a variety of socio-economic and educational backgrounds as well. As I've said on other threads, Masonic Lodges tend to reflect the communities in which they are located (members are usually typical of their respective communities) ... at least, thats what I've observed in the various lodges I have visited.



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen


If you quoted my whole post, I meant there's no PUBLIC lodge numbers available to anyone for those secret society members who do not wish to be known.


Well, if this is what you meant, it's still wrong. The Lodge name and number are all on the sign in front of Lodge buildings, as well as being engraved on the building's cornerstone.



For instance, Jay-Z and Will Smith are undeniably Prince Hall Freemasons


It's most certainly *not* "undeniable". It's easliy denied. I have no idea who "Jay-Z" is, but it would be cool if Will Smith was a Mason. But he's never claimed to be one and I've never seen anything written up on it, so there's no reason to believe he is.


I can only take you on a journey of symbols, numbers, occult ideas, hand signals, and professional associations which prove their membership.


lol. None of those things "prove" anything about Freemasonry. Most Masons couldn't give a rip about any numbers or professional associations or or occult ideas. So even if Will Smith *was* a Mason, there would be reason to assume he was interested in any of that stuff.


I highly recommend this site:

www.thebravenewworldorder.com


ROFL, I'm sure you do.



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