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What conspiracy do Masons believe in?

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posted on May, 2 2008 @ 08:05 PM
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Just wondering, is there a conspiracy that Masons believe is going on?

I look at the threads the Masons in this forum start, and not one of them has been about a conspiracy, except conspiracy against the poor masons.

So, here's your chance. Show us which threads you've authored about
your favorite conspiracy.

Maybe we can find some sort of common ground to have a respectable discussion.



[edit on 2-5-2008 by cutbothways]




posted on May, 2 2008 @ 08:11 PM
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I believe in a conspiracy by the mass-media to dumb down the populace and censor deep and quality information

I believe in a conspiracy to dumb down our children in school and education

I believe in a conspiracy to cover up extraterrestrial contact

I believe in a conspiracy to distort ancient history

I believe in a thesis-antithesis conspiracy (left wing vs. right wing, religious vs atheist etc.)

And a few other conspiracies.


And guess what....Ive authored threads about it.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 08:15 PM
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Those are some good ones.

I can personally attest to the dumbing down in schools, I just got out of highschool a few years ago and it was a joke. And I was in the International Baccalaureate program.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 08:36 PM
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I love the underlying logic flaws in posts like these - which goes something like,

"I'm going to draw out the masons to show that some of them don't believe in conspiracy theories, or at least that they don't believe in conspiracies enough that they should be here if they really were genuine."

The views of members, some of whom happen to be masons, on any range of conspiracies does not in any way lend credence to your theories about why the masons post here. At most, if you find a mason who does not believe in conspiracy theories, all it proves is that the particular mason wishes to defend an institution to which he is a member which is being actively slandered by you and your alternate usernames. This is not unusual - people often defend their institutions under slander and libel. Look in the other forums - Christians defend against conspiracies against them, liberals and conservatives defend against conspiracies against them. And since I realize what your up to, I wanted to go ahead and post what your going to do so that when you come to this conclusion in a few posts I can point it out


As for the conspiracies I believe in -

I believe in a conspiracy against religion. There is a vicious anti-religion movement in this country that is trying to suppress people of all faiths.

I believe in a conspiracy by the media. I think the media is supplying people with their ideology, and feeding their particular liberal slant or conservative slant to those who watch them. The media attempts to instill fear and panic in order to further ratings - they have no interest in the news. Thats why the news is always doom and gloom.

I believe there is a conspiracy of disinformation to deflect the truth about true corruption and evil in our society. Disinformation agents create sensationalist theories about all range of exciting things like satanic cults in order to deflect the reality that our criminal justice system is failing. People make up conspiracies against the "NWO" to deflect from the fact that our politicians are simply corrupt on their own.



[edit on 2-5-2008 by LightinDarkness]



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 12:30 AM
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  • I believe there IS something going on with the Bilderberg group, CFR, Trilateral Commission, etc. that we don't know about and should be privy to. I do NOT believe Masonry has anything to do with any of those structures, organizations or collectives, however. A few members may, in fact be Masons, but not the majority, nor does Masonry have any sway over the decisions of those groups.
  • I believe there is a concentrated effort to shift blame of the above groups on Masons because Masonry is the most well known "secret society".
  • I believe there was a 9-11 cover-up. I don't believe any of the official report.
  • I believe there was at least one additional shooter involved in JFK's assassination and that Kerry Thornley may have been in line to be a patsy either along with or instead of Oswald.
  • I believe the oil companies and other energy companies are inflating costs way above what is necessary.
  • I believe the FCC is being guided by the vocal complaints of one religious watch-dog group, and that the rest of the country really doesn't give a flying **** if the word **** is used on TV. Same for the MPAA.
  • I believe corporate lobbyists have managed to have congress extend copyright entirely too far, to benefit their own holdings and to the detriment of the public good.
Is that enough, or do you need more?



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton
  • I believe there IS something going on with the Bilderberg group, CFR, Trilateral Commission, etc. that we don't know about and should be privy to. I do NOT believe Masonry has anything to do with any of those structures, organizations or collectives, however. A few members may, in fact be Masons, but not the majority, nor does Masonry have any sway over the decisions of those groups.


The founders of the Bilderberg Group, CFR, and Trilateral Commission are ALL Masons! David Rockefeller, Zbigniew Brzezinski (also Polish Black Nobility) Prince Philip, and Cecil Rhodes.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 03:46 AM
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I am beginning to think the guy above me is just trolling. Actually, I'm pretty sure of it. You see, he literally calls everyone a mason. Every world leader. Every past world leader.

For someone who claims to be a researcher, he certainly hasn't done his research. Of all the people he claims to be masons, generally almost none of them are. He is literally just making stuff up. Do you care to provide the lodge #'s for these people you claim are masons?

What amazes me is that we would love for so many important people to be masons. We trumpet the few past Presidents that were - the reason why we don't trumpet all of them because ALL OF THEM ARE NOT MASONS. Stop lieing.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 04:16 AM
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What actually happens is I expose Masonry and the Masons like LightinDarkness who monitor ATS descent upon me like a pack of hounds. All they can do is say these people aren't Masons, and claim they should know, because they themselves are Masons.

Do a little research for yourselves folks. David Rockefeller, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Cecil Rhodes. You have at your fingertips the same resources as myself and all the Masons on this site. Are they or are they not Masons? Don't listen to me just because I spend all day every day researching. Don't listen to the Masons just because they're Masons. Check for yourself.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 04:19 AM
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See freight, more of you trying to hide the truth. Its a simple request, really - where do you get the info that all of these people are masons? What lodges do they attend? We have that information for all of the famous freemasons that are real and you are not lieing about - we know where Ford's lodge was, Washington's etc.

So are you going to give the data? Of course not, because you have none. Because you just literally make this stuff up and lie about it in order to weave your grandiose conspiracies.

The more you insult the people on this board, the more exposed you become. You cannot fool the intelligent members of ATS - we know all your doing is googling "is so and so a freemason?" and then taking the word of any anti-mason or conspiracy blog or youtube video as the gospel truth without looking into legitimate and valid sources. Surprise - you tube videos and conspiracy blogs are wrong more often than not!

When will you get it? Masons love to talk about the important people in the fraternity. I really wish all these famous people were masons, really I do. But they are not. There is a reason why we don't talk about them as being members - because we'd be lieing. Just like you are.

[edit on 3-5-2008 by LightinDarkness]



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 04:43 AM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen
Do a little research for yourselves folks. David Rockefeller, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Cecil Rhodes. You have at your fingertips the same resources as myself and all the Masons on this site.


I think what people are getting at here is that you don't have to be a drone in order to be a member - each mason is just as individual or finicky as anyone else who isn't a mason.

Granted, knowledge of contacts within the circles of masonry can give you more chances of 'succeeding' OUTSIDE of circles of masonry, and as such you could say that individuals whom make power from masonry are infact doing it in such a way that the rules were not broken.

Which doesn't mean anything other than the fact that the precepts that are established by whomever is 'in charge' of the masonic MOVEMENT have loopholes in them.

And yes, i'm aware of the fact that because of the various vices i have with the authorities within freemasonry i probably will not be accepted in any lodge whatsoever.


Originally posted by freight tomsen
What actually happens is I expose Masonry and the Masons like LightinDarkness who monitor ATS descent upon me like a pack of hounds.


Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

If you have no proof, you're either speculating or accusing.

And only fools accuse people of things they have no proof of, right?



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 04:45 AM
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Originally posted by LightinDarkness
See freight, more of you trying to hide the truth. Its a simple request, really - where do you get the info that all of these people are masons? What lodges do they attend? We have that information for all of the famous freemasons that are real and you are not lieing about - we know where Ford's lodge was, Washington's etc.

So are you going to give the data? Of course not, because you have none. Because you just literally make this stuff up and lie about it in order to weave your grandiose conspiracies.


Yes, this is how I fool you all, by telling you to research for yourselves. You want sources confirming David Rockefeller, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Cecil Rhodes as Masons?

watch.pair.com...

www.biblebelievers.org.au...

www.radioliberty.com...

www.seekgod.ca...

www.cooperativeresearch.org...

truthspace.wordpress.com...

There's no lodge numbers because Masonry is a SECRET SOCIETY, so if members don't want their membership known, it isn't. Determining membership is more complex than that and agents know this. Click the Scribd link in my signature to free yourselves from the ATS Mason's nonsense.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 05:17 AM
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Of course not. Freight loves to accuse everyone who disagrees with him of being a mason. Even members of ATS who are not masons, but just disagree. Watch out - because your post didn't bash freemasonry outright, you'll be accused next



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 05:29 AM
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Just as lucky i'm not afraid of being labelled something i'm not then, innit?



You could prove that i'm Satan's first lieutenant on holiday for a few lifetimes and i still wouldn't care.

What irritates me is that people are willing to go to that length in order to garner popularity, not the length itself.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen
Yes, this is how I fool you all, by telling you to research for yourselves. You want sources confirming David Rockefeller, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Cecil Rhodes as Masons?


God, if this were anymore predictable it would be funny. Let's yet again go over the concept of unbiased sources and why citing them is called research, while you googling "X person is a mason" is not research, shall we? You are not encouraging people to research, you are trying to get people to believe in your lies.

1) All of your "sources" are anti-mason or conspiracy websites, none of which cite unbiased sources - most of which cite nothing at all. Why is this important? Because anyone can create a website. I can make Freight Tomsen a 33rd degree mason using his "research methods" as well - all I need to do is slap up a fake list and google bomb it, and when we google "Is freight Tomsen a mason?" it would come up.

2) What happens in conspiracy sites is people like freight tomsen proclaim so and so is a mason, and people take this as the gospel truth, and they post it on their site. This happens over and over until the anti-mason and conspiracy theory sites are populated with false information, because people never check their sources.

3) As Masons have said time and time again, we are proud of our famous members. We love touting people as masons - we do it all the time. You can find famous freemasons from masonic sources on innumerable pages. However, unlike freight tomsen we actually do our research. While I would love all the world leaders to be masons, its just a lie.

Now I ask you again, are you going to provide unbiased sources that these people are masons, or keep quoting unverfieid and biased conspiracy websites and blogs?


Originally posted by freight tomsen
There's no lodge numbers because Masonry is a SECRET SOCIETY, so if members don't want their membership known, it isn't. Determining membership is more complex than that and agents know this. Click the Scribd link in my signature to free yourselves from the ATS Mason's nonsense.


How IS IT that YOU and your fellow anti-masons somehow know ALL of these people are masons, and yet NOT ONE OF YOU can cite a single source. How is it that you know they are a mason, but don't even know their lodge number? Liar liar, yet again. The holes in your logic are so large I can drive a 18 wheeler through them.

By the way, your "your all paid agents" theory has been debunked in another thread. Get over it. You've been exposed. The game is up. Your a NWO paid disinformation agent according to your own logic.

ATS members beware: freight tomsen is actively shilling for his "book," which is nothing more than a copy and paste job of numerous other conspiracy writers. You should actively question the motives of someone who uses every post as a way to try to get people to read his "book," especially when he is unable to cite any unbiased sources for anything he says.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 05:36 AM
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But it does say quite a lot that he has to label everyone who disagrees with him as being the "opposition."


But yes, hes mainly here getting attention in order to hawk his book - which is against the ATS T&C. Hopefully the staff will deal with it, as its quite obvious.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 06:07 AM
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whatever, let him peddle his book - which is basically plagiarized from Texe Marrs' Codex Magica, and various other sources - many of which the author posts links to on an hourly basis here...

but on topic, again cutbothways, your premise is flawed - in that you are looking for conspiracies that "masons" believe in, as if I were to think a monster was under my bed, then ALL masons would think monsters are under their beds as well. Masons are not synced up to each other like Blackberries.

In fact, one of the characteristics of freemasonry, is that it allows one to discuss such things and think for oneself, as long as it is done in a respectful manner (for example, slander and speaking unfavorably about other groups
and people are both looked down upon).


All that being said, the replies you've gotten so far show this.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 06:14 AM
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Thanks, you do have some good threads, and I like the fact that you realize man is intentionally being moved from spirituality and into a mechanized world.

This thread was not meant as a trap. I will start a separate thread, on the dumbing down of schools issue, and show how heavily Masons influence that too, since it is one of my pet peeves...

Stop picking of freight. Jeez, it's like a pack of wolves fighting after the only steak.

Sorry it took me so long to get back in here to support you freight.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 06:21 AM
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I was irritated by his "Who's who" of freemasonry, without drawing the comparision between those members who are serious about making the world a better place, and those members who are serious about making the world a better place for them to succeed.

If he had made that comparision, i wouldn't have gotten on his case.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 06:22 AM
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Actually, wouldn't it be the antis acting as a bunch of pack wolves because you have to get in and "support" each other? You notice none of the masons say anything like this? You notice only certain posts of mine get starred, but interestingly every post between you two gets starred (because your gang is starring each other)? How can this be? Because its the anti's who are acting as a forum gang. More deflection and misinformation.

Is there any conspiracy in which you think the masons are NOT involved in? Any?

I literally laughed out loud at the "stop picking a fight" - this by a member who has been banned under multiple names and keeps coming back to post the same thing to troll, and who accuses MILLIONS of people at time of being child molesters, satanic, and all other number of things. It would be you, sir, who are picking the fight. Unfortunately for you I'm a pacifist, but I won't let the slander and libel go unanswered.

[edit on 3-5-2008 by LightinDarkness]



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 06:26 AM
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We've all said it many times before.

Not every Freemason has evil intentions. But the overall agenda
is to move people away from God. That is why you must confess
your belief in a higher power.

If you don't believe in a higher power, then they (Freemasonry) don't
want you, because you don't need to be converted.

Think about it. If Masonry is soo tolerant of ALL religions, isn't Atheism a
form of religion? So why are Atheists excluded.

Not all Nazi's are evil either, but would you want to be labeled as a Nazi?



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