What happened to the people on the planes on 9/11?

reply to post by Lightworth

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Comments and/or photos of Flight 77/Flight 93 wreckage

www.911myths.com...

www.spiegel.de...

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Link to Ms. Foreman's story...

blogs.scripps.com...

and if that link doesnt work....

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Funny....Willie Brown doesnt say it was Condie.....

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reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

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I'm not sure it is important for him to confirm who it was, though it would be nice, the one thing you can't deny is he was warned.
He does say his security people were warned for him not to fly that day. Who do you think warned him? Maybe the tooth fairy???

As for the flight 93 landing at Cleveland airport, there were more people reporting the flight landing there than just one reporter, including passengers that were at the airport.

It has long been though by many that all of the passengers were loaded onto the one plane, flight 93, then it was reported that flight 93 landed at Cleveland airport, read this news release I found stating that the plane that landed at Cleveland was thought to have 200 passengers aboard a plane that was carrying a bomb.

Here is the strange thing, the report says the passengers did not disembark, they were still on a plane believed to have a bomb on board. Here is the link to the news article.

www.newsnet5.com...

whats funny to me is Bush's job that day. Cheney's in the bunker giving out commands, doing who knows what and Bush is sent to the elementary school to read a story and he still doesn't even get that right and sits there scared out of his mind with the book upside down. then later tells the media he saw the first tower get hit when he was really inside with the children when the first tower was hit.

We got the bin laden family being allowed to fly home when everyone else was grounded. We got a mysterious plane above washington dc, restricted airspace during when everyone was grounded and that plane is not in the official story and to this day theyve never gave any kind of explanation for it.

Flight 93 was communicating with Cleveland. Other planes in the area of 93 saw Flight 93 in the air. Flight 93 said there was a bomb on board. Flight 93 then proceeded to ..Cloak itself? ... Radar no longer picked up Flight 93 and it proceeded to start to turn. Another airline saw it and claimed it was now headed directly towards them. Air Traffic control can still no longer see Flight 93. Then a woman, new in the recorded conversation says to the Flight that reported seeing 93 "do you see any activity to your right?' ... like smoke?" a little bit later he confirms, yes I do see smoke. It looks like a puff of grey smoke. " He did not see the plane go down.
So, Supposedly it was chaos on Flight 93 but they manage to cloak the plane from air traffic control and then do a turn around and then they disappear and some lady comes in from nowhere telling the pilots where the look for the crash site and low and behold, smoke!
But no plane.(or fire)

Remember, air traffic control lost their track on them but they were still visible to another flight in the air. How did that woman know where to look? Some kinda intuition? Gimme a break.

Dont even get me started on the 'crash site' that looks like a small bomb hit the surface. No luggage, no body parts (confirmed by the coroner on hand) no plane wreckage, nothing bigger then a 'phone book'. have you seen Crashes of 757s?? Lots of body parts, plane parts and luggage. Planes dont vaporize on impact. Thats why the conspiracy of it being shot down came in. and the range (7 miles or so) that the debris was scattered. Totally unlike a plane that crashes, which should only scatter about a mile or so.

But it wasnt shot down either. One eye wtiness said the 'plane' (for lack of a better word she says) went directly overhead of her and wasnt nearly as big as a 757, that it flew up over the trees, banked a turn, and crashed behind them. Exactly where the site actually was. She claimed it was as low as the power lines, then it goes up over the trees to then dive and crash. she said the FBI questioned her and kept telling her what she saw was a 757 and she kept saying it wasnt.

Did the plane land in Cleveland along with the Delta flight? Did United confirm that Flight 93 had landed in Cleveland? Why did the whole Cleveland airport get shut down due to a bomb threat? Thats a pretty convenient coincidence. One anonymous source claimed the people in the airport were forced to leave on foot and if they tried to leave in a car they could be shot. what is that about?
Did they claim that Delta evacuated a couple hundred people but Delta only had 60 passengers and United 93 had 200?
Did a witness claim to see United 93 land in Cleveland?

reply to post by goose

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Yes, he was warned to be careful, not to cancel his flight. Its an established fact that the State Department had issued a travel advisory...for the Far East. Why his security people (and it was HIS security people, not the Federal Government) that warned him to be careful.

As for the Cleveland story, you are right, more than just that one reporter, reported it. And if you bother to check, EVERY ONE of those stories all go back to the SAME Associated Press bulletin that the AP pulled off of its wire just as soon as they realized it was wrong and it was Delta 1989 that had landed, NOT United 93.

Unfortunately, when I try to "quote" dumble's last post, ATS wont let me...so Ill address a couple of his inaccuracies.

The Bin Laden family did not leave the US until after the no-fly orders were lifted. Yes, they were picked up and gathered in one spot in the days after 9/11, so the FBI would have the chance to interview them. Only then, were they allowed to leave the country, AFTER flights were allowed to resume.

Half the stuff posted about Flight 93 was inaccurate, the largest pieces of Flight 93 left were the mangled hulks that used to be the engines. According the witnesses first on the scene there was clothing hanging from some of the trees. After the search was completed, it was estimated that about 90-95% of the aircraft was recovered.

Good grief, doesnt anyone do any research anymore...or do they just pull crap off of conspiracy sites?

So they released a travel advisery for the far east, funny Mayor Willie Brown's flight was to New York. There is no mention of him traveling any further than New York.

Well I went to the state department website and searched for travel alerts and warnings for Sept. 2001 and could not find any of either. But, I do agree someone got some warnings since Newsweek reported many of the top brass at the Pentagon had canceled flight plans for that day. So if no warnings were released to the Joe Q Public for that day, where did all of these warnings come from that caused so many to cancel their plans?

Whether you believe the official story or not, it is clear that someone knew something was up and did not notify the American public, many people in a position to know, took the necessary measures to protect themselves and left the American public unaware and unprotected.

As for the flight 93 Cleveland Airport mystery that is still being investigated and it is true it could be a mistake, but you do have the first report coming from a Mayor of the city and the journalist who reported it saying it came from the Associated Press. At any rate it does warrant investigation. See this link on how far one reporter has taken that investigation.
www.newswithviews.com...












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Investigated by who? AP admitted their bad report long ago. And long ago, it was discovered that NASA had a KC-135 that had to land in Cleveland (which created confusion). There is NOTHING to investigate, Cleveland was figured out long ago.

And yes, Newsweek had a "scoop" that "top" Pentagon officials cancelled a trip. One problem, absolutely NO evidence exists of any kind that any trips outside of the Far East were cancelled, PRIOR to the hijacked airliners slamming into their targets.

And once again, Willie himself says he was told to be careful...not to cancel his trip.

And again who warned him, the state department did not issue any warnings about flying in the US, Mayor Willie Brown was headed to New York.

Who would take the time to pick up a phone and call his security personnel and warn him to be careful about flying on 9/11/01? Shouldn't that fact alone be investigated? Who made that call and why? Your idea that it was because of the far east warnings just don't make sense when you know his destination was New York.

Any why if it was due to the far east warnings, be so secretive about the whole thing? Even before 911, I am sure security personnel would have had the skills required to ask who was on the other end of the line, and why the mayor should be careful, and was this some kind of threat?

If the danger was strong enough to warn the good Mayor about flying to New York, then again why not warn everyone? Who picked up the phone and made that call and made sure that the Mayor knew to be careful about his flight to New York?

reply to post by dumbeddown

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Perhaps, the commercial planes were hijacked by these said men who were pawns in the big picture only later to be blown out of the sky. NORAD had 80 minutes of lost time to account for these planes.

But of course, they were real people who lost their lives that day. I remember transcripts of people calling loved ones saying they were flying low, they saw buildings, then the calls dropped. Horrific.

But to fantasize that they are still alive somewhere is dishonoring their experience and disrespectful to their survivors.

I think this whole thing is an interesting theory. However, I still feel that it is only a theory. I do not believe the official story 100 %, but I won't be convinced until experts actually agree on another version. A lot of experts can have each of their opinions, but there needs to be one single well-documented story left that connects all of the theories before I will consider it the truth.

What I find a little peculiar is that you believe that if we "blow this thing wide open", the country will be saved. I think this is one of the biggest reasons why nobody has gone deep into it and unravelled the whole story. If what you're saying is so clear to see as you believe it is, then I'm surprised nobody has the guts to prove it in real life apart from writing a single article or two to clear up a minimum of the mystery. The thing is, the country won't be saved if this is ever solved as the opposite of the official story. If it turns out that this was in fact an inside job, that everything was set up by Americans and that the victims were killed by their own countrymen, the country will most likely be more lost than ever.

FBI has 81 tapes of Pentagon, withheld due to "Nat'l Security"
Micheal Moore is demanding to see them, may mention this in his next 9/11 film coming soon.

The wingspan impact is obvious in this photo crater. Here is the funny lol part. Google earth sat photo from 1999 clearly shows the shanksville wingspan slit already there. The round hole in center of slit was not in that old google photo. Gov't is saying that the plane nose dived into a slit hole, and wings disappeared into this slit. Only the fuselage impact changed the 1999 photo adding a hole in center of prior slit. Many believe a plane crashed there long ago and left an imprint, perfect area to stage a crash impact. However this prior slit did not show fuselage hole, maybe a Delta winged Stealth crashed there ?.........lol.

An impact on top of prior impact or into old slit is what you are left with, if you believe official story that bodies were swallowed up in 1999 google earth slit hole of exact same length as 2001 photo. FEMA were on scene quick, they saw no sign of blood, bodies, samsonite luggage, Atta indestructable ID, ect.

This was only site to recover black box ? Strange . WTC7 was not affected by fuel from planes, no plane hit, however molten steel in basement as well. Where is burning grass fire ? Pilot dump his fuel completely ? Video of smoke plume is weak fireworks show compared to other impact fireballs, a cesna crash maybe ? Video seems staged, smoke is behind a barn, no visual on ground of fireball. Smoke plume quickly disappears like cigar puff.

reply to post by dumbeddown

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United Airlines Flight 93 supposedly nosedived straight into the ground like this, into a slit hole same length as supposed wingspan impact, google earth shows slit was there long before 2001, hole was made after:

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Here is the weak smoke plume, no ground visual. Straw Grass seems to self extinguish, supposedly just too wet for fuel fire ? How long did the other impacts burn w/o grass ?

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A metal scrap yard is located a whole 4 blocks from impact crater......hmmmm.

The engine submerged partly in the dirt hole fits perfectly in a backhoe scoop...........hmmmm.


external image(Flight 93 was equipped with two Pratt & Whitney PW2037 engines. Photo source: clemson.edu)