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The Suicide Drug

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posted on May, 2 2008 @ 06:09 AM
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The Suicide Drug


www.alternet.org

Ask about published reports of 470 completed suicides of people on antidepressants since Prozac debuted in 1988 and the drug industry will say that's depression for you. Without our drugs, it would be worse.

But how does Eli Lilly and Co. explain the mounting suicides of people given Cymbalta (duloxetine) for urinary incontinence or peripheral neuropathy?

The planned debut of Cymbalta, now Lilly's number two drug, was even delayed by the suicide of a non-depressed person in 2004.

Traci Johnson, a healthy 19-year-old college student volunteer enrolled in a Cymbalta trial hung herself by a scarf from a shower rod in Lilly's Indianapolis, IN laboratory while withdrawing from the drug.

Johnson showed no outward signs of depression and Lilly said she had been screened for mental problems, but staff conducting a concurrent Cymbalta trial made comments about her "mental history" to at least four participants -- perhaps to keep them from dropping out of the trials as a fifth of volunteers did after the suicide.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on May, 2 2008 @ 06:09 AM
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these drug companies don't care a jot about the people they profess to be helping - this is just another example of "bottom line" thinking.

In other words, what they care about, is profits, not people.

An obvious statement, some might think but this is a drug that isn't an anti-depressant.

With anti-depressant drugs, there is always going to be a risk, simply because the people taking them are depressed, but the problems with this drug are much deeper.

No doubt they'll try and spin their way out of it...

www.alternet.org
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 06:25 AM
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Oh but the pharmacy industry thinks mainly about profits, as you said it. What industry however does not? There are a lot of very good altruistic people who help the society , but i am confident that no one of those is involved in money making. And money makes the world go round, as the song goes.
As for depression drugs - prozac and cymbalta are different chemicals and action is somewhat different (SSRI vs SNRI), however the suicide side effects might be due to the fact that depression biochemical mechanism was not (or even is not now) known for certain when the drugs were developed. Even the newer one.
And yet people feel that they need those medications, since they buy it and use it. If it helps thousand and might cause one suicide, it still saved more (from this thousand) from doing the same.
All drugs have side effects. All natural remedies (those that work at least) have side effects. It is just that drugs should be monitored and side effects reported correctly. However as everywhere, money talks.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 08:01 AM
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I worked in a pharmacy for 6 years as a Pharmacy Tech and the more I learned about the pharmaceutical industry the more disgusted I became.

The drug company reps go around to the doctors and essentially bribe them, with fancy dinners and "incentives", into prescribing medications based on profits or convenience rather than on actual needs.

For example, how many of you remember a drug called Sarafem, the PMDD pill, coming out several years ago. Here is a quote from the website www.pmdd.com...


Sarafem is indicated for the treatment of premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD) in adult women (18 years and older). Although Sarafem is not a treatment for depression, it contains fluoxetine hydrochloride, the same active ingredient in some antidepressants.


Not a treatment for depression?! Sarafem IS Prozac! Literally! When the makers of Prozac, Eli Lilly, were about to lose their patent allowing other companies to start making the generic, they invented PMDD and started selling Prozac under the name Sarafem to treat it. You can read more about it at www.prozactruth.com... if you're interested.

My uncle recently died of sudden heart failure at the age of 46 just one short week after his doctor changed his medication over to Cymbalta. He had never had any heart problems prior to that and the only thing he had done differently right before he died was start taking Cymbalta. He died at the same time as his first grandchild was being born.

I am not saying that nobody should take anti-depressants. What I am saying is that Most people who take them would be better served by serious therapy and an honest attempt at facing and resolving whatever it is that has made them depressed to begin with, than they are by masking everything with a magic pill.
What did everybody think would happen when the magic wore off and those who had come to believe they would never have to, were suddenly forced to come face to face with everything they were trying to hide from? Nothing?

Somebody knew there would be a reckoning, they were just praying that they could make so much money before it got here, they wouldn't have to worry about it.

I wish it wasn't the case that money means more to most people than the lives of those they hurt in their pursuit of it, but it is. Most people are greedy, thoughtless, savage creatures hiding behind thin Calvin Klein veneers and those who prey on the depressed and weak are by far the worst of the bunch.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 08:09 AM
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Interesting info Jez. Thanks for sharing that. Unfortunately for my family, my wife takes Cymbalta to treat her peripheral neuropathy. Without it she would be in constant, agonizing pain and from what we've researched, this drug is about the only thing out there to offer any relief.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by TXRabbit
Interesting info Jez. Thanks for sharing that. Unfortunately for my family, my wife takes Cymbalta to treat her peripheral neuropathy. Without it she would be in constant, agonizing pain and from what we've researched, this drug is about the only thing out there to offer any relief.


I'm sorry to hear about your wife's condition, but glad to know that she has been able to find some relief through Cymbalta. Hopefully they will find a cure instead of just a treatment soon.

I hope that she does not have any major negative reactions to the drug but it would definitely be in both of your best interests to research and read everything you can about it, so you know what signs to look for in case something does happen.

If my aunt and uncle had been told that the drug could cause heart problems, my uncle might have recognized the early signs of trouble and been alive to meet his grandson.

Best of luck to you both



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 09:15 AM
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Thank you for the fascinating info. I have been prescribed both Cymbalta and Prozac at different times. I am on Cymbalta now. I have suffered no ill-effects that I know of.
I have to disagree about the depression advice. If the depression is a single, one-time situation brought about by grief, etc, then yes, counseling would be a better alternative. But sometimes there is clinical depression that comes from a chemical imbalance in the brain. The sufferer is unable to do anything about it. It's like diabetes or any other disease; it has to be treated.
I have heard Prozac referred to as the suicide drug many times. But what most people overlook is the fact that the people were being treated for depression and had the potential for suicide anyway. Prozac changed my life for the better.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 09:39 AM
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oh I am so relieved now that I have gone the holistic road.

I have never trusted pharmacy companies. Funny, just after I had my first car accident the Doc gave me these pills and I took them. My Bro is up with medical stuff and he came to see me and says.. "OMG get something else cos big class action with these ones in the States."

So I go back to the Doc and ask him if these pills were really safe to take and if there was another type I could take? He started to shift around in his seat and said, oh yes... then I ask...oh but would you take them, he didn't answer.

LOL But he wrote on a notepad that had the drug on it and used a pen that also had the drug on it.

nasty stuff.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 09:40 AM
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Unreal! Thanks for your post Jezebel5150! I bet you could tell us story, after story, after sickening story! I can imagine how much information you could pass along to us...thanks for adding to this thread...

And thanks budski for making this thread. Wednesday I had to go to a lab to do a urine test for a new job...the lab technician was FLOORED...that I was not on one single prescription medication or over-the-counter one. She said I had to be the first person she's seen in a YEAR to say that.

Funny but my doctor is ultra conservative concerning medications, and is probably one of the few left who hasn't been seduced by the pharmaceutical industry, and who also abhors it...like any THINKING person would.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 09:41 AM
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oh as for prozac being a suicide drug... yes.

I have heard and read things about the drug. It has an 'unknown' factor about it and if someone is suicidal, then prozac is the worst thing as it prompts extremes.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 09:51 AM
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We have pills for everything now. Ritalin for children. Depressions. Can't go, go too much. It really is pathetic. I think twice before taking an aspirin. We are way overmedicated as a society. Billion dollar pharmacopeia business. Look at herbs for temporary problems.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by jpm1602
We have pills for everything now. Ritalin for children. Depressions. Can't go, go too much. It really is pathetic. I think twice before taking an aspirin. We are way overmedicated as a society. Billion dollar pharmacopeia business. Look at herbs for temporary problems.


There's a hell of alot more than Ritalin out there for the kids. In fact, I don't even see it prescribed much anymore.

I work in a youth group home and I would say at least 6 out of my 11 kids are on something for "depression" or "ADHD" or some "imbalance" -- as I see it, it's all BS -- these kids are no different than kids back when we were kids -- and guess what... we dealt with it, right? And grew up learning how to deal with things -- in todays society it's 'here's your quick-fix pill...' and they never learn to deal with their issues because the drug is supposed to fix the problem -- I feel especially bad for the kids in "the system" as they are captive guinea pigs, imo, for this industry. The psych doctor sees a kid once a month for 5-10 min after the initial longer 'assessment' -- changing dosages or meds frequently -- doing nothing but experimenting on them and most are not 'helped' in any way as I see it -- yes, there is the occassional one, but most... no. I've been opposed to that crap from day one of working there and solidified even more after being there... but there is nothing I can do to stop it, and it is parents who are requesting these drugs for their own kids as well, on occassion. "oh... I can't do anything with him/her -- he/she needs somethign for his problem.."

Take a good look in the mirror and realize why the kid REALLY has the problem(s). Not for all... but I do suggest for most -- but that is because of this "nanny state" we live in and you not teaching your kids, but rather the kids learning from the system.. the 'establishment' -- damn glad I never brought any into this world.

[edit on 5/2/2008 by RabbitChaser]



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 10:30 AM
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I don't think there is anything pathetic about the drugs themselves, save a select few; I think the scientists who make these drugs generally have good intentions. What is pathetic is the way the pharmacutical companies and the FDA conduct business. I, personally, would have killed myself had it not been for psychiatric medicine. I had recurring nightmares from when I was in the Marine Corps. and I could not take it anymore. I held off going to the psych. for two years because I thought I was just being weak and they would go away. The first day I took them my nightmares were gone. I can safely say those pills saved my life. Though side effects can be very serious, usually the core issue is much worse.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 11:48 AM
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I agree with Jezebel,as a frequent flyer to different Doctors there is never a shortage of Pharmacutical reps waiting to sell their products,and yes I'm sure they make claims that it's the new miracle drug,sad thing is the Drs try them out on patients



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 12:09 PM
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In certain circumstances I'm quite sure drugs are indicated. What is pathetic is the massive amounts of people on a cabinet full of meds. And the way big pharma pushes them. US is the only country in the world allowed to commercialise on tv their wares. Ask your doctor.....side effects include dry mouth, constipation, tremors.......

[edit on 5/2/2008 by jpm1602]



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