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Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter
I was baptized Catholic. I believe just about my entire, albeit small family are Catholic as well. I used to attend Sunday school as a child and even spent an entire summer at a school/church. I actually enjoyed the goings-on that occured there.
I have never cared for authority. I have always hated bullies and could never tolerate injustice.
About the time when I turned 12. I really started to see things differently. Though when the thought of "God" came to mind, I looked at the whole concept differently. That is when I told my mother that "I just don't buy it anymore." She was shocked to say the least. (though for being somewhat religious people, my family, every one of them is an alcoholic or drug addict of some sort, which I find funny.)
I couldn't explain why I just stopped believing until I finally started to look at the world and the affect religion, Catholicism and Christianity mainly, have on the world and on people. I especially noticed during my rather difficult teen years of being homeless, drug use and going to bed hungry in my mothers broken down station wagon, of how the world is because of religion. But that's another story...
The few times I went to church thereafter, I saw how ugly people are towards eachother. How much better they think they are than someone who may worship something they don't. It disgusted me that people couldn't be human first. They had to be "saved" or "reborn" before they could even pretend to be decent people.
I also noticed how those that worship or believe in other things treated others. Pagans or Wiccans. Even Satanists.
Christians and Catholics seem to be so preoccupied with their interpretation arguements, fighting amongst eachother and calling everyone unlike them a sinner that will one day burn in hell, that they totally lose sight of what they should be doing.
On the other hand. Pagans, Wiccans, Philosophers and even Satanists rarely have those meaningless squabbles and could care less what others do in my experience with them and they never looked down on others for what they believed.
When I think Christian/Catholic I immediately go into defense mode. But when I think Wiccan, Pagan or Buddhists and such, I think of possible new friends or someone to learn from.
Is it possible that Christianity and Catholicism was ever or ever will be free of infighting and live up to what it's supposedly supposed to be? I don't think so. For centuries it has been nothing but a tool for opression. An excuse to kill.
I realize many other religions have the same violent backrounds. It just makes me wonder how long it will last before people open their eyes to the truth. Not the question if there is a god or not. But open their eyes to the fact that no matter what religion, death has and will always been apart of it. Brutal death.
Will people one day be able to live without the religious nonsense and try to understand the universe and ourselves without needing some spooky, invisable, absentee father-figure to guide us? Or some golden idol?
Personally I could careless what people worship. But injustice and bullies have always bothered me, and religion is full of both.
Do you ever feel like you are a nuetral caught in the middle, standing still as things are happening around you.
Do you ever analyze the things going on around you, down to the smallest action?
Do you ever feel like you are screaming into a void of humanity?
Care to tell me what you believe and why?...
PS. Sorry for the enigmatic wording...
Originally posted by AD5673
You have a point BUT i still belive in God.
Originally posted by Adrianay
"I find no evidence to support a belief in a god"
Look at Jesus. watch the passion when it comes out.
If he really did that for you how amazing is that! he gave up everything just to be with you coz he loves you, he wants to put the past behind. no guilt, no hate, just love.
What would you say?
Originally posted by Beanie_pianoforte
However i suggest you seriously consider the bible as absolute truth and forget what u have been taught.
"'Why do you call me good?' Jesus answered. 'No one is good except God alone.'" - Mark 10:18
"So Jesus said, 'When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.'" - John 8:28
"The father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form." - John 5:37
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord', shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he only he who does the will of My Father in heaven." - Matthew 7:21
"For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me." - John 6:38
"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." - Luke 22:42
"About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" - Matthew 27:46
"Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me." - John 8:42
"For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it." - John 12:49
"I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge." - John 8:50
"I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him." - John 13:16
"Jesus said to them, 'Only in his hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honor.'" - Matthew 13:57
"Jesus answered, 'My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.'" - John 7:16
"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." - John 14:28
Originally posted by meddled
But religion, as an institution, can't be wholly seen as a bad thing. Just my 2c.
Originally posted by Jonna
Have to disagree with you. It seems to me that 99% of all religions are based on a control structure or hierarchy. Do what we tell is is moral or right and you will be benifited; do what we tell you is immoral or unbenificial to OUR way of life and you will eventually be punished.
How is any other person more qualified to define what the god thing is to me then myself. Why do I need an intermediary?
Originally posted by meddled
Now as I see it, there are churches that act in this same way. Not telling you definitive guidlines for how to live, but merely acting as a guide through your own spiritual journey. These churches may be few and far between, but I do know this is what my local Unitarian churches preach.
Originally posted by Truth
Dattruth, did you notice that every single passage you gave he was talking to the jewish unbelievers or the jewish hierarchy?