O'Reilly: "We Didn't Invade Iraq", page 2

reply to post by Blaine91555

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And yet despite the violations there was no UN mandate given to the US to prosecute a further war or invasion.

And now bush is re-writing the rules (or trying to) to make torture legal despite clear definitions from the UN.

So shrub only cares about UN resolutions when it suits him.

In other words he's a hypocrite and a liar (wmd's) using a paid and bought for shill to further his own agenda.

And I thought the BBC was bad...



[edit on 2/5/2008 by budski]

Originally posted by budski
reply to post by Blaine91555

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And yet despite the violations there was no UN mandate given to the US to prosecute a further war or invasion.

And now bush is re-writing the rules (or trying to) to make torture legal despite clear definitions from the UN.

So shrub only cares about UN resolutions when it suits him.

In other words he's a hypocrite and a liar (wmd's)

I agree with all of that. I just hate seeing propoganda from one side used to address propoganda from the other.

reply to post by budski

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I don't think any news agency could do a worse job than Fox News. CNN is getting close. Neither of them actually report real news (which I'm sure the BBC is guilty of too).

reply to post by Blaine91555

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Now that is a fair statement, for sure. Both sides are just as guilty of it.

[edit on 2-5-2008 by Sublime620]

reply to post by Blaine91555

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Agreed - but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

What O'Reilly said was errant nonsense and plain propaganda.

reply to post by Blaine91555

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Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by biggie smalls
reply to post by Blaine91555

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We did invade Iraq, will you refute this as well?

Yes, we invaded Iraq when we liberated the country Saddam invaded. We had to, to drive him out. Then we stopped the fighting when a peace treaty was agreed to by Saddam. He then violated it over and over and over again until we went back in this time. There is no new war. That was an invention of the Democratic Party and liars in the media.

O'Reilly was trying to make the point that we did not arbitrarily invade Iraq for no reason, as Iraq did to Kuwait.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
The only thing I might be wrong about is the number of U.N. Mandates Saddam violated. It's interesting to me how people condemn the Media and the Political Parties until their propaganda happens to serve their needs.

It was actually 17 UN resolutions that Saddam violated, over a period of 12 years. But your intention was solid.

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by biggie smalls
reply to post by Blaine91555

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We did invade Iraq, will you refute this as well?

Yes, we invaded Iraq when we liberated the country Saddam invaded. We had to, to drive him out. Then we stopped the fighting when a peace treaty was agreed to by Saddam. He then violated it over and over and over again until we went back in this time. There is no new war. That was an invention of the Democratic Party and liars in the media.

The only thing I might be wrong about is the number of U.N. Mandates Saddam violated. It's interesting to me how people condemn the Media and the Political Parties until their propaganda happens to serve their needs.

We reinvaded Iraq would be the best terminology. We invaded briefly the first gulf war and left and reinvaded after the second from our bases we had in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. So Oreilly is partly right we didnt invade Iraq we reinvaded them

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reply to post by jsobecky

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That's funny, I thought we invaded Iraq because they were constructing and storing WMDs and also harboring terrorists.

Are UN Mandates the final answer, or will that change in 6 months?

reply to post by jsobecky

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It was actually 17 UN resolutions that Saddam violated, over a period of 12 years. But your intention was solid.

That is interesting. I would love to see how many UN resolutions the US government has violated during that same time span. Pot, meet kettle.

I will agree that the first Gulf War had some merit, although it was crafted under less than honorable terms and conditions. You can make the case that technically, we did have a legitimate reason to intervene.

If I recall correctly, the second time around went a bit differently. We were fresh off of the 9/11 attacks and looking to crack heads, and obviously it didn't matter who's head it was. Iraq had not attacked any other nation, had attacked no US interests, they have never been proven to have had one single thing to do with 9/11 or the terrorists that were supposedly involved. Saddam was never linked to Al Quaid and even though he likely had them, there have never been any WMD's found in Iraq.

Bush invaded Iraq in order to set up a base inside of the middle east so that the US could stage a presence in the region to help protect Israel. Also they invaded Iraq, which was a sovereign nation, in order to gain access to critical oil deposits and to rack up billions of tax dollars on government contracts, rebuilding infrastructure etc

The fact is that our military invaded and took over a foreign country with no UN approval and no world support aside from Israel and the UK, two countries who basically were forced to go along with our policies. The invading force is now an OCCUPYING forces. Clean it up, shine it up, dress it however you want. We took that country over and have brutalized it's citizens and have never provided a real and honest reason for doing so. I don't like to admit it either, but it is true.




[edit on 5/2/08 by BlackOps719]

reply to post by centurion1211

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centuriion, we were writing at the same time....and posted almost simultaneously.

I hear ya, what you said to Sublime....but, what do you think about Rush? He came very close to inciting (the idea) of riots, at the DNC convention, in Denver. Is that not crossing a line??? How close did the fat gasbag get to the line? Did he cross it, or not???

WW

ps.....know the difference between Rush Limbaugh and the Hindenberg?

One is a flaming bag of hot air....and the other is a dirigible.

WW

[edit on 5/2/0808 by weedwhacker]

reply to post by budski

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I only commented on the fact this is not a new war. Which is true.

As far as the war and Bush goes, I'm in agreement with most people here.

O'Reilly is just doing the same thing they all do.

reply to post by BlackOps719

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Originally posted by BlackOps719
reply to post by jsobecky

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It was actually 17 UN resolutions that Saddam violated, over a period of 12 years. But your intention was solid.

That is interesting. I would love to see how many UN resolutions the US government has violated during that same time span.

Well, what's stopping you from doing the research and satisfying your curiosity? At least you'd be doing something you enjoy doing - trash talking the US.

reply to post by mybigunit

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That's a good way to put it. Oops, need a second line here and I can't think of one.

reply to post by mybigunit

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Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, apologies if so.....

Yesterday, 1 May 2008, was the FIVE YEAR anniversary of the Idiot-in-Chief's landing on the aircraft carrier, announcing 'Mission Accomplished'.

"My fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended, in the battle of Iraq, the United States, and our Allies, have prevailed. (applause)...
And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country."

Idiot's actual speech from the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln.....

Of all the carriers to use.....sheesh!!!

What a piece of crap, is GWB? He is so stupid, he doesn't know when he's being handled, by his handlers.....and shills like O-reilly, care of Fox Noise....and Coultergeist, et al, just keep the 'dream' alive....sick, sick, sick.....



[edit on 5/2/0808 by weedwhacker]

second edit, a ps....NOW, over 4000 US soldiers dead. How many 'coalition' force soldiers as well? Maybe 30,000 'coalition' maimed....families devasted....and the civilians, in Iraq? Hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, it you consider the displacements happening....it is a crying shame that this ILLEGAL administration did all of this, in the 'name' of my country....a truly sad mark in our history as a Nation. For all who read this, please know that we DO NOT support this criminal, GWB...our system allows us to criticize....and to impeach....but it takes time to impeach, and I think we've run out of time. SO, please don't pour your scorn on American citizens for the evil that our 'leaders' do...we tried to work within the boundaries of our system of government, but that system has been corrupted.....what now?

WW

[edit on 5/2/0808 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by jsobecky
O'Reilly was trying to make the point that we did not arbitrarily invade Iraq for no reason, as Iraq did to Kuwait.

Actually Kuwait used to be a part of Iraq, and some Iraqis still consider it a part of Iraq. During world wars, when British Empire ruled this lands, they gave a lot of money and weapons to this little sheikh, who ruled the town of Kuwait and created a protectorate - a little puppet state. Why? Because there was oil there. In any case, Kuwait is like Taiwan for Chinese. Or Kosovo for Serbs.

It was actually 17 UN resolutions that Saddam violated, over a period of 12 years. But your intention was solid.

Let us count the U.N. resolutions violated by, for example - Isreal.

I think there were 429 resolutions against Israel passed - and guess what? United States used VETO on them ALL. Talking about equal rights and justice for all huh?

reply to post by jsobecky

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As usual, you are confusing people trash talking bush with people trash talking the US.

There's a difference, although it seems to escape you.

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