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For Class of '08, a Scramble for Jobs?

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posted on May, 1 2008 @ 07:07 PM
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For Class of '08, a Scramble for Jobs?


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As the credit crunch roils financial markets and the U.S. economy sputters, new college graduates are plunging into the rockiest job market in recent years.

The bleaker picture is in stark contrast with last year, when colleges and employers reported robust hiring, and students in finance, accounting and other hot fields were choosing among numerous offers.
(visit the link for the full news article)



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posted on May, 1 2008 @ 07:07 PM
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Wow, I don't even know what to think about this one. Hope it hasn't been posted already....

Hopefully these new grads havn't been watching the news headlines about job losses all over the country.
Way to keep a positive outlook.

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(visit the link for the full news article)



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posted on May, 1 2008 @ 07:21 PM
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I am a good example of how the job market is impossible to get into for kids like me.

I am a college graduate from an accredited well-known university.
I was in MANY extra-curricular activities including sports and educational clubs.
I had 3 internships and a full time job while completing school.
I spent well over a month building an attractive multi-media resume.
I am a member of monster.com and careerbuilder.com.
I AM STILL A BARTENDER.

I've literally put HUNDREDS of resumes out there, only to get responses that they are only looking for people with X-years experience. My friends who find decent jobs are often downsized first in their company.

There are jobs out there, if you want to do something very specific. Hell, my sister already has a nursing job lined up and she's a college junior. The whole idea of doing something you're passionate about is gone. The dream that was put in our little heads at 5 years old is dead as of right now.

This problem is exacerbated by the growing number of college grads who can't find jobs with benefits because of insurance costs...

This is the time when we need to take huge risks to end up on top. Entrepreneurs are going to need to beat the big guys in the coming years. And these entrepreneurs are going to have to do it out of their parents' basements to help balance the growing housing problem. Its a vicious cycle, and its not a great time to be a 20-something with bills to pay and nowhere to go.

Can't pay for my loans, my medical bills, my phone, my car, the gas in my car, or a place to live... But then again, maybe I'm just being a big baby.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 07:29 PM
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I dropped out of College after 2 and a half years of study.

I am young.
I currently work for a fortune 500 company.
I currently have 4 job offers.
I go to regularly 1 or 2 interviews a week for the past two weeks.
I am not "looking" for a new job.
They contact me. They all offer a pay raise of some kind.

I graduated high school with a 1.8 GPA.

I am proof anyone can get a job with a great company doing what they are good at, so long as they present themselves well and have confidence in their own intelligence.

I don't feel sorry for morons who can't get a job to save their life. Especially ones with degrees.

That almighty degree is supposed to make you better then everyone else, so for someone with a four year degree to be unable to get a job....

Is doing something wrong (or not doing anything at all)..



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 07:33 PM
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the dream is only gone if you allow them to take it. If you start your own business, and invest around the world, you can play by their rules and beat them at their own game.
All wealthy people aren't greedy.
Right now, is a moment of realization.
Most peoples parents told them that working for a living was the way to go.
Most peoples parents told them to get a good safe job, as was the way of success in the age of industry. But we left that age back in the 50's and entered the age of information. Where Knowledge and Truth became power.
80+% of the united states population are not aware of the potential they have and the power of the universe and how you can have it work for you.
Im not talking about the secret disinfo campaign.
Im talking about ancient esoteric knowledge that has been around for tens of thousands of years.


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posted on May, 1 2008 @ 07:41 PM
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You know, even highly skilled people in very competitive fields right now are being laid off.

Not everyone chose a field that even now, is in high demand of professionals. If you read the original article, it makes note of this. Some of these grads have made a mistake, the field of their choice looking a lot "less gloomy" when they originally chose it.

You are fortunate to be sought out, like some corporation CEO. Right now, many don't have this luxury.

I wish that somebody could earn an honest living-wage, by simply following their passion and being good at their particular field.
Not to delve into a personal story, but someone close to me has been laid off from a VERY important position in the food industry. Between lack of companies hiring for her exact position, and her age(who cares about years of experience, anyway!), she is finding it very, very difficult to find something within the country.
I can't imagine this something isolated to just this one person. Even being on the television, and developing some awesome products for some of the hugest companies in the world might not be enough to save you right now.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 07:41 PM
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I'm glad you've found a niche there puck. I congratulate you.

I did stipulate that the type of work you're looking for matters. I am a media specialist, so maybe I was asking for this, as typically, to make a living you need to create your own specialty or even your own company.

Perhaps I am a moron based on the fact that I won't settle for a labor job or a cubicle job.

I put my foot in doors, and I think I'm a pretty charming dude when being interviewed, and nepotism has been a help with finding freelance work.

Not asking for your pity there friend, I was stating simple facts. Yeah, I guess I'm a bit upset about the situation, but I am making money and "getting by."

Alright, off to go put my application in at the home depot, brick layers inc., and the verizon wireless customer support hotline.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 07:46 PM
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I agree with you completely!! More people should be going into business for themselves. Maybe it IS the fact that their parents never told them it could be done. That they had to get a job to make it in this world.

I have no idea what keeps people wanting to waste their lives on a dead-end job working for someone else, but I have been trying to encourage people I know to start up something new... Even attempting to tell them HOW to do it!!

I think that what it comes down to, is most people believe that the only way to make a living is a job. They are lazy, even if given a true model that would work.


Went off topic, but something keeps most people from having an entrepeneurial-mindset. From looking outside of making someone else rich.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 07:52 PM
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With a wonderful complexion like yours, I understand..But not everyone can sell Avon..ya know?...( I 'm kidding!).

come on, give Santa a pep talk.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 07:57 PM
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And before I head to my quarters to admit my defeat here, I have just a couple of questions regarding your FORTUNE 500 employment....

-Does this have anything to do with you being a mason? Nothing against masons, but nepotism runs deep in lodges. Methinks maybe dad's friend helped you out...

-Are you a person of color? Fortune 500 companies (especially) will often hire to balance numbers even if it requires hiring under-qualified people.

-Four other companies looking at you? Holy hell what did you do, perform some sort of middle-class miracle???

If all you say is true, you're obviously a qualified person, but you also specialize in something not many people do. And everyone's life is walked in different shoes.. Twas your destiny to get the end of the stick without all the poo on it.

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posted on May, 1 2008 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
I am proof anyone can get a job with a great company doing what they are good at, so long as they present themselves well and have confidence in their own intelligence.


While I congratulate you on your good fortune; what you fail to recognize is that you're an example of the "exception"... not the "rule".

Not just "anyone" can get a job with a great company these days. Now people need quite a bit of luck, and generally prior experience too.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 08:07 PM
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But don't you hire workers to help you run your business? Without businesses alot of people would be in the soup lines, so I thank my Boss for hiring me.

I get what you're trying to say LostNemesis and that is parents need to teach their children better and let them know that they can create a business instead of working for one and that is good. It's just that no one is the same and they come from different backgrounds of society and cultures. I live in Tennessee so I know the Dolly Parton story and that twelve children and their parents lived in a one room shack cabin, but now she's the most successful country artist in the world. Then you have people growing up in the rich life that couldn't accomplish a thing without their money. So it is parents who can lift their children to new heights just by teaching them correctly. This class of 2008 will make it if they have the passion and will power to adapt and take on the challenge with positive thinking and hard work.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 08:11 PM
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It's probably based on contacts - knowing the higher ups at these companies almost guarantees a job. (Do you really think our President had great credentials? Umm...no.)

I'm in mechanical engineering, and I'm still looking for a job. Some folks I know with really good GPA averages already have jobs for $60,000+ a year. We were told that the job market for engineers is still pretty good, despite the crashing economy. I think it's hard for finance/business majors to find a job.

I'm still not sure. With us, it's sorta like the NFL draft or somethin'- minus the absurd amount of money. All the first round picks are already taken (high GPAs, experience), while the fourth round picks, like me, are still looking...



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 08:15 PM
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So you're gonna spend your life looking instead of working any job you can until you get there. That's really working hard to live your dream. Go get a job and keep looking for your career too!



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posted on May, 1 2008 @ 08:16 PM
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I cant give a personal experience on this because I didnt graduate high school I went straight to work and now at 26 own my own retail company but I know 2 friends of mine who went to college one for electrical engineering and the other business management and the engineer friend has been turned down by every single application because she does not have "experience" and he was given a 35k job as a car salesman....the fact is a lot of our jobs like certain accounting jobs and cust service and other positions that college kids used to fill are being shipped over seas...Ive said this before and yes I wont just saw fortune 500 company Ill list names....works for Franklin Templeton and her whole accounting dept accept for her and one other ...30 jobs in total was shipped over to India...the people made 40 to 50k a year so some Indians can work for 5 to 10k a year...pathetic...



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 08:19 PM
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I haven't graduated yet - perhaps this summer. And yes, I do plan on working temporary jobs until I get that career in metallurgy I'm looking for.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 08:21 PM
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Well, this is my opinion, relevant to the article...

In this world, I think the "Darwin theory" really applies for the first time since corporation and social programs took over this country.

The strong will 'survive", aka leave the others behind when it comes to finding a job.

Those who have it in themselves will aggressively market themselves and get into the career they want. For the others, just having a degree is not enough. Competition is insane.

But I still believe that things will only continue to get worse before they ever get better

All of this, my own opinion.

EDIT: I am thinking this massive competition on most fields, and jobs getting shipped away, most people are disposable in the work place. Even people who have gone through years of schooling, and in the past have been sought-after for their degrees, etc...


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posted on May, 1 2008 @ 08:29 PM
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That's exactly right!! It depends on the person as well - having a degree is certainly not enough in the corporate world. You have to be aggressive - someone that they like well enough to hire. They're looking for people who stand out and can bring something to the company. That's how corporate America works! Ka-ching!



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by LostNemesis
In this world, I think the "Darwin theory" really applies for the first time since corporation and social programs took over this country.


I'd tend to disagree. "Darwin theory" may work in regards to businesses themselves; however, when it comes to the jobs, the Peter Principle seems far more aplicable.



[edit on 5/1/08 by redmage]



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:09 PM
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I did stipulate that the type of work you're looking for matters. I am a media specialist, so maybe I was asking for this, as typically, to make a living you need to create your own specialty or even your own company.


This is true, and on top of this your location matters greatly. However even Media Specialist can be considered a wide array of possibilities as far as job titles.. And perhaps your first job with a media related company won't be what you want, but a "foot in the door" type job?



Perhaps I am a moron based on the fact that I won't settle for a labor job or a cubicle job.


I was not calling you specifically a moron but was speaking in general terms, I see I came off wrong.

But the notion "I am to good for this" attitude won't help.. especially if you have no current job, you have under 2 years experience in your field and your fresh out of college.



-Does this have anything to do with you being a mason? Nothing against masons, but nepotism runs deep in lodges. Methinks maybe dad's friend helped you out...


Yes. Being a Mason helped me for a most unusual reason.. On the application / test I was given a large part regarded college fraternities and especially officers of college frats. It looks good on resumes to be in a College Frat because it shows ambition, leadership and charm I suppose..

Well I said I was a Mason, they consider that an even more prestigious fraternity and it looked even better to be an officer in that.

My boss is female. The recruiter was not a Mason. Only one guy in the office is a Mason.

But I won't lie. It helped a good deal.



-Are you a person of color? Fortune 500 companies (especially) will often hire to balance numbers even if it requires hiring under-qualified people.


I am pasty white. My boss is black, if you wish to know.




-Four other companies looking at you? Holy hell what did you do, perform some sort of middle-class miracle???


Not at all, big corporations typically hire from resume hosting websites. They type in the area code and look at all updated files within the last 72 hours within 10 miles of the zip code. It then pulls out only the resumes that have specific key words in them. I am very good at making resumes.... and no matter how much a company hates it, I never stop updating my resume. I had forgotten it, and updated it two weeks ago to add some of the licenses I now hold with the state and it turns out my company is not the only one looking for qualified people.

One interview I have tomorrow is in the same building one floor down.




If all you say is true, you're obviously a qualified person, but you also specialize in something not many people do. And everyone's life is walked in different shoes.. Twas your destiny to get the end of the stick without all the poo on it.


I am a very unqualified person. Young, White, No edykation.

I am however very good with words, and I can talk people into hiring me. I profess no special ability, I am very good at history and political sciences but that doesn't do jack in my field..

It differs from field to field, in your case you may have to have significant background as far as working. Perhaps you need a portfolio of the works you have done (media is so vast I don't know what you do) ..

But advice would be to post your resume, make sure its damn good and then be sure to update it every 72 hrs at least and research good "key words" to use.

redmage



Not just "anyone" can get a job with a great company these days. Now people need quite a bit of luck, and generally prior experience too.


Ya .. I know.. but I know for a fact that many big corporations are looking for employees all the time.. but finding the quality people is hard. Companies spend millions trying to find them. It takes a bit of effort to make sure YOU are found.

I have seen some perspective employees that where utterly embarrassing.. people who drop off resumes with contact e-mails like ghettohoe09 or sexappeal123 and the format was middle school quality.

And the people who showed up for interviews and didn't wear a suit.. mind boggling. You can bet, they won't find the job they are looking for. Those are the morons I happened to be speaking of.

All in all I blame the education system for not teaching kids a couple of things..

1. How to make a GOOD resume.
2. How to sit in a job interview.
3. How to answer career testing.
4. How to market your self.
5. language to use when presenting your self.
6. How to prepare taxes. This has nothing to do with anything, but it just really bothers me high schools don't educate kids on their own taxes..

Anyways..

That's about all I have.




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