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Hawaiian sovereignty seekers take over palace in Honolulu

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posted on May, 1 2008 @ 11:55 AM
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Hawaiian sovereignty seekers take over palace in Honolulu

HONOLULU (AP) — A Native Hawaiian group that advocates sovereignty locked the gates of a historic palace in downtown Honolulu on Wednesday, saying it would carry out the business of what it considers the legitimate government of the islands.

The group said it learned from Honolulu Police Chief Boisse Correa that arrest warrants were being prepared for the 60 or so protesters and would probably be served later in the day. Police have not confirmed that to The Associated Press.

"The Hawaiian Kingdom Government is here and it doesn't plan to leave. This is a continuity of the Hawaiian Kingdom of 1892 to today," said Kahau, who was elected head of state of the group seven years ago.

"The sovereignty of these islands is inherent to the Hawaiian people, and we've never relinquished that," he said.


There is certainly no better time, imo, for all states to break free of this countrys' grip, via D.C.




posted on May, 1 2008 @ 12:12 PM
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I agree RC....
...it is time for more of a SERIOUS change than what the 2 republicrat parties are trying to shove down our throats.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 01:14 PM
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I ran into another article on this... probably was out prior to the above article.

Hawaiian Sovereignty Activists Barricade Iolani Palace

HONOLULU, HAWAII - Hawaiian sovereignty activists calling themselves the "Hawaiian Kingdom Government" surrounded Iolani Palace this morning, refusing to let state employees either enter or exit the historical site, saying the palace and surrounding grounds are property of the "Hawaiian Kingdom."

An unknown amount of state employees who work in the state archives division were trapped inside this morning, according to Russ Saito, head of the Department of Accounting and General Services, but since were allowed to leave, his office reports. The dozen employees who work there were sent home for the day. But several had their cars on site and cannot get them out of the palace parking lot. Saito says there are enough protesters to block with a human chain all five entrances and exits to the palace. They also locked the palace gates with their own locks.







posted on May, 1 2008 @ 01:41 PM
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It sounds nice. Don't know where it will go, or if it could escalate into something dramatic. It might even have a ripple effect.

The United States and others have stolen so much land and culture, and not even that long ago; we ought to give some of it back for good. A problem however is how well these new nations will fare on their own, and if we will try to suppress and manipulate them like we do to independent Native American land.



posted on May, 7 2008 @ 01:24 PM
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What are they doing/ what has been done here?

A. Has there been an attempt at a succestion in Hawaii, where forces within a State, sucscend from the USA...

B. Does that mean that in effect, by proclaiming, a Kingdom of Hawwaii Goverment, declare war on the US?



Questions?

Is this the indigious population of Hawaii doing this? (Samoans)

What does the Other population of the islands think?

What does the US reps and US senators from Hawaii think?

Do these people deserve a tomahawk misslie in thier House???


This is strange, and i cannot recall of a situation like this in my life... this is the kind of thing that only is thought of in cartoons...

I want more info on this...

This should be bigger news... and we need to know some details...


... ors is this just a PR stunt...



posted on May, 7 2008 @ 01:29 PM
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I'm with ya' on those questions... I haven't run into anything more about it, but I've been lost elsewhere. Will try to put in some effort later to find a follow up on this. Anyone else got anything?



posted on May, 7 2008 @ 01:55 PM
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Ok -- just located these...

Media Downplay Hawaii Uprising, Back Hawaiian Apartheid Bill

A real-life secessionist movement seizes a historic American landmark and major media outlets treat the uprising as a curiosity of mere passing interest. Meanwhile, that same media gives a thumbs-up to a seditious, balkanizing plan for Aloha State apartheid.

The Honolulu Advertiser reported that the "sovereignty group" claimed its actions were "not a protest or demonstration but a reoccupying of its legitimate seat of government." CNN called the occupiers simply a "group of native Hawaiians."

Of course, to find out what's really in the bill it's necessary to read George Will. Will scathingly criticized the legislation and pointed out that Akaka doesn't even deny the bill could set the stage for Hawaii to exit the Union. Will wrote:


Italian Government Disowns Honolulu Consul Letter Recognizing Hawaiian Kingdom Government

In the letter addressed to Hawaii Kingdom Government and stamped “Italian Consulate” Di Amore-Siah writes:

“This office on behalf of the Italian Government in Hawaii acknowledges that there was a prior treaty that was not between the United States nor the State of Hawaii but between the Hawaiian Kingdom and the Italian government.

“We acknowledge and recognize that the Hawaiian Kingdom exists and is operating at 210 Iolani Avenue in Honolulu, Hawaii 96783. We appreciate your visits to our office and appreciate the relationship that Italy has with the Hawaiian Kingdom and its currently operating government.”

Apparently the Di Amore-Siah letter was triggered by the Hawaiian Kingdom Government group pretending to ‘cancel’ the 1863 treaty that the Hawaiian Kingdom had with the Republic of Italy after the Honorary Consul failed to respond to an earlier Hawaiian Kingdom Government letter. Di-Amore-Siah writes:

“I acknowledge that the former Treaty between the Italian Government and the Hawaiian Kingdom was enacted and valid for over a century. I also understand that this treaty was cancelled in August of 2007, for the Italian Government’s failure to acknowledge your prior correspondence in an affirmative letter of acknowledgement.

“We are grateful that the Hawaiian Kingdom has reconsidered the cancellation of the treaty.”


ok -- no further comments right now -- I'm tired and need some sleep and just can't digest both those articles right now.



posted on May, 9 2008 @ 04:07 PM
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It looks like they have seized 'some form of control' on Hawwaii...

What happens next who knows... Mabye the Marines come in...

The media is realy down-playing this, which tells me there is quite a bit more then what we are being told...

If we only could get a blogger from inside...



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 12:25 PM
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Speaking of your media down-playing...

Media Downplay Hawaii Uprising, Back Hawaiian Apartheid Bill

A real-life secessionist movement seizes a historic American landmark and major media outlets treat the uprising as a curiosity of mere passing interest. Meanwhile, that same media gives a thumbs-up to a seditious, balkanizing plan for Aloha State apartheid.

Are members of groups like the Hawaiian Kingdom Government serious insurgents or fringe-element kooks who are best ignored? Only time will tell, but one thing is for certain: a Hawaiian segregation bill will only make things worse, guaranteeing more such occupations and perhaps future violence.

Many mainstream media outlets have treated the pro-segregation, pro-secession bill, sponsored by Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii), that would create a new government for "Native Hawaiians" in Hawaii, as just another bill. A sunny piece called "Freshman senators hold key to Native Hawaiian bill's hopes," appearing in The Hill, a Capitol Hill newspaper focused on Congress, noted cheerfully that "the bill has a fighting chance."

My guess is Will got Akaka's goat when at the top of the op-ed he inserted this entirely appropriate quotation that associates the bill with Nazism:

"I decide who is a Jew around here." -- Hermann Goering in 1934, when told that a favorite Munich art dealer was Jewish.

Just about anybody who's anybody in the Hawaiian establishment supports this bill, including Hawaii's Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, who has visited Washington, D.C., repeatedly to lobby federal lawmakers. The Republican In Name Only (RINO) governor has been pushing for the legislation for years.


There was an intereting read, to say the least, but that was from 5/5 I think... here something from 5/8, but I can't find much else...

Hawaiians sit in at palace, reject U.S. occupation

The Hawaiian Kingdom Government’s Web site (www.hawaiiankingdom.org) states: “Since the Spanish-American War, 1898, our Nation has been under prolonged occupation by the United States of America. ... The primary objective of the Hawaiian Kingdom Government is to expose the occupation of our nation ... and to provide a foundation for transition and the ultimate end of the occupation of the Hawaiian Kingdom.” The government is part of a broad sovereignty movement in Hawaii and has registered thousands of Native Hawaiians and non-Hawaiians as citizens.

In 1993, a formal “apology” to the Hawaiian people was approved by the U.S. Congress and signed by President Bill Clinton... The “apology” further acknowledges that, “The indigenous Hawaiian people never directly relinquished their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people or over their national lands to the United States, either through their monarchy or through a plebiscite or referendum.”

The Hawaiian Kingdom Government plans on returning to the Iolani Palace every day except the weekends, and conducting its business from the palace grounds. Mahealani Kahau, the government’s elected head of state, said: “The Hawaiian Kingdom Government is here and it doesn’t plan to leave. This is a continuity of the Hawaiian Kingdom of 1892 to today.”


Oh, that's beautiful... that "continuity of the Hawaiian Kingdom" line is priceless


And here is the The Hawaiian Kingdom website.

[edit on 5/12/2008 by RabbitChaser]



posted on May, 15 2008 @ 02:57 PM
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Alright... I try to stay with a story once in awhile...

Group returns to palace this week

The group, which claims to not recognize the rule of the U.S. government or the state of Hawai'i, yesterday applied for and received a second permit allowing it to hold a public assembly or gathering on state park grounds from 6 a.m. to 5 p.m. daily through Friday.


Head of sovereignty group escorted off palace grounds

Mahealani Kahau, who heads the group Hawaiian Kingdom Government, said she was told to leave the palace grounds or face arrest about 2 p.m. after earlier in the day going into the Friends of 'Iolani Palace building to ask for a letter addressed to her.

Enforcement officers told her that going into the building was a violation of the group's permit to be on the grounds. No other members of the group were asked to leave, and she said the group will be back tomorrow. She said she has been told not to return to the grounds until next week, when a new permit is issued.


Leader Of Sovereignty Group Escorted From Palace
Leader of Hawaiian Group Banned From Iolani Palace News video there.

Now, posted today...
Sovereignty group head barred at palace grounds

week 3
The group is in its third week of occupying the palace grounds. The land where the Kana'ina Building and palace are located is overseen by the state Department of Land and Natural Resources, which has posted several officers near the palace since the Hawaiian group blocked the entrances to the grounds earlier this month.

While the Acting Government is provisional and exists until a true Hawaiian government can be reconstituted, the Hawaiian Kingdom Government "organized themselves without any basis in Hawaiian constitutional law," Sai wrote.

Sai's group has been attempting to regain control of Hawai'i through international law.

Leaders of Hui Pu, an umbrella group of different Hawaiian independence organizations, visited the palace grounds on the first day of the Hawaiian Kingdom Government's action and said they support its intent.


Sounds like no one is really trying to cause a problem with this... seems they went a bit overboard with the expulsion *if* there was actually a letter in there for her ie: if she already knew that for sure. However, she will most likely be allowed back in next week, given a new permit is granted. I try to keep my eye on it...



posted on May, 15 2008 @ 03:03 PM
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Hawaii will never get its sovereignty back .Not in your life time or mine.

What next give it all back to the Indians.


sad but true



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 09:40 AM
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I had a feeling this was going to be denied...

DLNR denies sovereignty group's bid for new permit

The Department of Land and Natural Resources, which oversees the palace grounds, cited several infractions in its explanation why the permit was being denied for the week of May 19.

Thielen said three infractions of the permit occurred the week of May 5, including the setting up of a tent outside the permitted area, money-collecting by the organization, and attempts by group members to enter the palace itself.

The Hawaiian Kingdom Government is one of several Hawaiian sovereignty groups that claim not to recognize the authority of either the Hawaii'i state government or the United States.


We'll see what happens Monday, I suppose.

State to Hawaiian Kingdom Government: No More Illegal Activity at Iolani Palace

Permit to occupy Iolani Palace grounds will not be renewed unless group complies with state's conditions; Group Says State Has No Jurisdiction Over Their Members

The state Department of Land and Natural Resources hand delivered a letter on Friday from department director Laura Thielen to a group calling itself the Hawaiian Kingdom Government, telling the group leader Mahealani Kahau that its members can no longer obtain a permit to remain on Iolani Palace grounds until the department is assured the group’s members will abide by conditions set forth by the state agency. The group's permit expires this weekend.


Here is the Hand Delivered Letter referenced above.

Permit denied for assembly at palace

Asked what specific assurances she is seeking from the group, Thielen told The Advertiser that one thing would be the signatures of other members of the group beside Kahau, who has signed the applications identifying herself as "head of state" for the Hawaiian Kingdom Government.

"We'd want the leadership of the organization to sign on to the permit conditions and the understanding that if they violate them, we will not be issuing them further permits," Thielen said.

Thielen said there may be other considerations.

Asked if her agency intends to bulk up security staffing at the palace on Monday morning, Thielen said: "Anytime we have a period of uncertainty, we're prepared."


Exit Iolani, state tells Hawaiian protesters

Late yesterday afternoon, state conservation law enforcement officers were at the palace grounds, but there was no sign of Kingdom members. The phone number to the Kingdom office posted on the group's Web site was disconnected.


Like I said, let's see what happens Monday...



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 10:17 AM
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Not a long ATS thread but it's got some good links related to this topic - Protests in Hawaii for Independence



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 01:52 PM
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To continue...

Palace grounds occupation criticized

A group representing the four Hawaiian royal societies yesterday publicly criticized the actions of a Hawaiian sovereignty group that has been occupying the 'Iolani Palace grounds.

'Aha Hipu'u said while it supports Hawaiians' right of expression, the sovereignty group Hawaiian Kingdom Government should stop its occupation of the palace grounds, calling it a sacred place.

Representatives of the Hawaiian Kingdom Government could not be reached for comment yesterday.


Sovereignty group returns to Iolani grounds

Thirty-three representatives of the Hawaiian Kingdom Government gathered in a circle on Iolani Palace grounds at 7:05 a.m. this morning, joining hands and saying a prayer and singing before eventually coming together for a private meeting and declining all interviews with the media.

This morning's gathering of 33 was monitored closely by DLNR law officials who were parked in the adjacent parking lot less than 100 yards away.

Following the group's closed meeting, Kahau briefly met with a DLNR enforcement officer and hugged him.

It's not clear at this time if the Hawaiian Kingdom applied for and received a new permit.

Hawaiian Kingdom representatives have said in the past they will continue to occupy the grounds indefinitely.

A handful of them started funneling onto the property before 6 a.m. and Kahau arrived at 7 a.m. with a lei around her neck.


Sovereignty group gets permit

A Hawaiian sovereignty group occupying the 'Iolani Palace grounds was granted a permit yesterday, after being denied one last week for breaking rules.

Thielen said eight or nine leaders of the group were asked to sign a list of conditions before she would consider their new permit application. She said the conditions were all the same as the original permit, except for the one asking the group to stop posting guards at the palace gates because they intimidated people.

The Hawaiian Kingdom Government is one of a number of Hawaiian sovereignty organizations that do not recognize the U.S. government or that of the state of Hawai'i. Some of the vehicles driven by its members have their own kingdom license plates.


Well... that's the lates update i could find. Fairly uneventful, although it sounds like they were 'pushing it' a bit with assembling over 25 people the day before getting a new permit and signing to new rules. I'll try to keep current here...

And if you like to read a 'running thread,' you can stop in and read The Daily Mid-East Mess if you care to get a different perspective on that whole fiasco. I try to pop in there with a daily post or two, but not always successful.

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posted on May, 24 2008 @ 05:39 AM
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RabbitChaser, let me commend you on your fine work in this thread.

If i was a mod i would slap you with several thousand points...


This is an event to keep an eye on... you are doing more then that... keep it up...

This has the chance to be an key point in Hawaiian History...



posted on May, 24 2008 @ 05:59 AM
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Thank you very much TKZ... much appreciated


I can't find much more on this today. Apparently was an uneventful end of th eweek after the new permit was granted on Monday. I assume they must re-apply on Monday 5/26.

Hawaiian officials return to palace

The group applied for a permit to hold a group event on the grounds, and received one similar to one it had before, but with the added condition that it not post guards at the gates to the grounds. Deborah Ward, spokeswoman for the state Department of Land and Natural Resources said the group did not prevent access but did have members standing at the gates.


I'll try to keep on it... anyone is certainly free to add anything new they run into



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 03:46 AM
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Just popping in for an update and a disturbing OpEd...

No problems with group on 'Iolani Palace grounds

No problems have been reported this week with a Hawaiian sovereignty group occupying 'Iolani Palace grounds, a week after the group was briefly denied a new permit for breaking rules.

The Hawaiian Kingdom Government, one of a number of sovereignty organizations that do not recognize the U.S. government or that of the state, has been occupying palace grounds on weekdays since April 30. It has gotten permits to do so weekly since May 5.


Maybe things like this next piece have some bearing on some Hawaiians wanting to break away from the U.S....?

Why In the World Would They Destroy Hawaii...On Purpose?

In the past year I have done a good deal of research and writing around the topic of the growing military build-up, live firing, and fighter jet bombing drops taking place on the Hawaiian Islands and for thousands of miles around in the Pacific Ocean.

After examining these documents, however, one thing’s for certain. They should name the military exercises Operation Hawaiian DUMP because that is exactly what these maneuvers actually are – an apparent attempt to discover just how polluted and contaminated they can render the fragile Hawaiian Island and Pacific Ocean aquatic ecosystems by dumping both toxic and radioactive wastes quite liberally all over them.

... during one of the seminars someone innocently asked a question to the effect: Why is the US Military destroying the environment and lives of so many people around the world?

You could quite literally hear a pin drop when someone very somberly, quietly, eventually offered, "Because they can."


aec.army.mil...

www.govsupport.us...



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by TKainZero
This is strange, and i cannot recall of a situation like this in my life... this is the kind of thing that only is thought of in cartoons...


You must have slept through the RED MOSQUE.

sovereign,

Sri Oracle



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