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Topic started on 1-5-2008 @ 11:55 AM by RabbitChaser
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Hawaiian sovereignty seekers take over palace in Honolulu
 HONOLULU (AP) — A Native Hawaiian group that advocates sovereignty locked the gates of a historic palace in downtown Honolulu on Wednesday,
saying it would carry out the business of what it considers the legitimate government of the islands.
The group said it learned from Honolulu Police Chief Boisse Correa that arrest warrants were being prepared for the 60 or so protesters and would
probably be served later in the day. Police have not confirmed that to The Associated Press.
"The Hawaiian Kingdom Government is here and it doesn't plan to leave. This is a continuity of the Hawaiian Kingdom of 1892 to today," said Kahau,
who was elected head of state of the group seven years ago.
"The sovereignty of these islands is inherent to the Hawaiian people, and we've never relinquished that," he said.
There is certainly no better time, imo, for all states to break free of this countrys' grip, via D.C.
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reply posted on 1-5-2008 @ 12:12 PM by theRiverGoddess
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I agree RC....
...it is time for more of a SERIOUS change than what the 2 republicrat parties are trying to shove down our throats.
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reply posted on 1-5-2008 @ 01:14 PM by RabbitChaser
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I ran into another article on this... probably was out prior to the above article.
Hawaiian Sovereignty Activists Barricade Iolani Palace
 HONOLULU, HAWAII - Hawaiian sovereignty activists calling themselves the "Hawaiian Kingdom Government" surrounded Iolani Palace this morning,
refusing to let state employees either enter or exit the historical site, saying the palace and surrounding grounds are property of the "Hawaiian
Kingdom."
An unknown amount of state employees who work in the state archives division were trapped inside this morning, according to Russ Saito, head of the
Department of Accounting and General Services, but since were allowed to leave, his office reports. The dozen employees who work there were sent home
for the day. But several had their cars on site and cannot get them out of the palace parking lot. Saito says there are enough protesters to block
with a human chain all five entrances and exits to the palace. They also locked the palace gates with their own locks.
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reply posted on 1-5-2008 @ 01:41 PM by Nyorai
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It sounds nice. Don't know where it will go, or if it could escalate into something dramatic. It might even have a ripple effect.
The United States and others have stolen so much land and culture, and not even that long ago; we ought to give some of it back for good. A problem
however is how well these new nations will fare on their own, and if we will try to suppress and manipulate them like we do to independent Native
American land.
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reply posted on 7-5-2008 @ 01:24 PM by TKainZero
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What are they doing/ what has been done here?
A. Has there been an attempt at a succestion in Hawaii, where forces within a State, sucscend from the USA...
B. Does that mean that in effect, by proclaiming, a Kingdom of Hawwaii Goverment, declare war on the US?
Questions?
Is this the indigious population of Hawaii doing this? (Samoans)
What does the Other population of the islands think?
What does the US reps and US senators from Hawaii think?
Do these people deserve a tomahawk misslie in thier House???
This is strange, and i cannot recall of a situation like this in my life... this is the kind of thing that only is thought of in cartoons...
I want more info on this...
This should be bigger news... and we need to know some details...
... ors is this just a PR stunt...
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reply posted on 7-5-2008 @ 01:29 PM by RabbitChaser
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I'm with ya' on those questions... I haven't run into anything more about it, but I've been lost elsewhere. Will try to put in some effort later
to find a follow up on this. Anyone else got anything?
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reply posted on 7-5-2008 @ 01:55 PM by RabbitChaser
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Ok -- just located these...
Media Downplay Hawaii Uprising, Back Hawaiian Apartheid
Bill
 A real-life secessionist movement seizes a historic American landmark and major media outlets treat the uprising as a curiosity of mere passing
interest. Meanwhile, that same media gives a thumbs-up to a seditious, balkanizing plan for Aloha State apartheid.
The Honolulu Advertiser reported that the "sovereignty group" claimed its actions were "not a protest or demonstration but a reoccupying of its
legitimate seat of government." CNN called the occupiers simply a "group of native Hawaiians."
Of course, to find out what's really in the bill it's necessary to read George Will. Will scathingly criticized the legislation and pointed out that
Akaka doesn't even deny the bill could set the stage for Hawaii to exit the Union. Will wrote:
Italian Government Disowns Honolulu Consul Letter Recognizing
Hawaiian Kingdom Government
 In the letter addressed to Hawaii Kingdom Government and stamped “Italian Consulate” Di Amore-Siah writes:
“This office on behalf of the Italian Government in Hawaii acknowledges that there was a prior treaty that was not between the United States nor the
State of Hawaii but between the Hawaiian Kingdom and the Italian government.
“We acknowledge and recognize that the Hawaiian Kingdom exists and is operating at 210 Iolani Avenue in Honolulu, Hawaii 96783. We appreciate your
visits to our office and appreciate the relationship that Italy has with the Hawaiian Kingdom and its currently operating government.”
Apparently the Di Amore-Siah letter was triggered by the Hawaiian Kingdom Government group pretending to ‘cancel’ the 1863 treaty that the
Hawaiian Kingdom had with the Republic of Italy after the Honorary Consul failed to respond to an earlier Hawaiian Kingdom Government letter.
Di-Amore-Siah writes:
“I acknowledge that the former Treaty between the Italian Government and the Hawaiian Kingdom was enacted and valid for over a century. I also
understand that this treaty was cancelled in August of 2007, for the Italian Government’s failure to acknowledge your prior correspondence in an
affirmative letter of acknowledgement.
“We are grateful that the Hawaiian Kingdom has reconsidered the cancellation of the treaty.”
ok -- no further comments right now -- I'm tired and need some sleep and just can't digest both those articles right now.
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reply posted on 9-5-2008 @ 04:07 PM by TKainZero
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It looks like they have seized 'some form of control' on Hawwaii...
What happens next who knows... Mabye the Marines come in...
The media is realy down-playing this, which tells me there is quite a bit more then what we are being told...
If we only could get a blogger from inside...
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reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 12:25 PM by RabbitChaser
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Speaking of your media down-playing...
Media Downplay Hawaii Uprising, Back Hawaiian Apartheid
Bill
 A real-life secessionist movement seizes a historic American landmark and major media outlets treat the uprising as a curiosity of mere passing
interest. Meanwhile, that same media gives a thumbs-up to a seditious, balkanizing plan for Aloha State apartheid.
Are members of groups like the Hawaiian Kingdom Government serious insurgents or fringe-element kooks who are best ignored? Only time will tell, but
one thing is for certain: a Hawaiian segregation bill will only make things worse, guaranteeing more such occupations and perhaps future violence.
Many mainstream media outlets have treated the pro-segregation, pro-secession bill, sponsored by Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii), that would create a new
government for "Native Hawaiians" in Hawaii, as just another bill. A sunny piece called "Freshman senators hold key to Native Hawaiian bill's
hopes," appearing in The Hill, a Capitol Hill newspaper focused on Congress, noted cheerfully that "the bill has a fighting chance."
My guess is Will got Akaka's goat when at the top of the op-ed he inserted this entirely appropriate quotation that associates the bill with
Nazism:
"I decide who is a Jew around here." -- Hermann Goering in 1934, when told that a favorite Munich art dealer was Jewish.
Just about anybody who's anybody in the Hawaiian establishment supports this bill, including Hawaii's Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, who has visited
Washington, D.C., repeatedly to lobby federal lawmakers. The Republican In Name Only (RINO) governor has been pushing for the legislation for
years.
There was an intereting read, to say the least, but that was from 5/5 I think... here something from 5/8, but I can't find much else...
Hawaiians sit in at palace, reject U.S. occupation
 The Hawaiian Kingdom Government’s Web site (www.hawaiiankingdom.org) states: “Since the Spanish-American War, 1898, our Nation has been under
prolonged occupation by the United States of America. ... The primary objective of the Hawaiian Kingdom Government is to expose the occupation of our
nation ... and to provide a foundation for transition and the ultimate end of the occupation of the Hawaiian Kingdom.” The government is part of a
broad sovereignty movement in Hawaii and has registered thousands of Native Hawaiians and non-Hawaiians as citizens.
In 1993, a formal “apology” to the Hawaiian people was approved by the U.S. Congress and signed by President Bill Clinton... The “apology”
further acknowledges that, “The indigenous Hawaiian people never directly relinquished their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people or
over their national lands to the United States, either through their monarchy or through a plebiscite or referendum.”
The Hawaiian Kingdom Government plans on returning to the Iolani Palace every day except the weekends, and conducting its business from the palace
grounds. Mahealani Kahau, the government’s elected head of state, said: “The Hawaiian Kingdom Government is here and it doesn’t plan to leave.
This is a continuity of the Hawaiian Kingdom of 1892 to today.”
Oh, that's beautiful... that "continuity of the Hawaiian Kingdom" line is priceless
And here is the The Hawaiian Kingdom website.
[edit on 5/12/2008 by RabbitChaser]
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reply posted on 15-5-2008 @ 02:57 PM by RabbitChaser
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Alright... I try to stay with a story once in awhile...
Group returns to palace this
week
 The group, which claims to not recognize the rule of the U.S. government or the state of Hawai'i, yesterday applied for and received a second
permit allowing it to hold a public assembly or gathering on state park grounds from 6 a.m. to 5 p.m. daily through Friday.
Head of sovereignty group escorted
off palace grounds
 Mahealani Kahau, who heads the group Hawaiian Kingdom Government, said she was told to leave the palace grounds or face arrest about 2 p.m. after
earlier in the day going into the Friends of 'Iolani Palace building to ask for a letter addressed to her.
Enforcement officers told her that going into the building was a violation of the group's permit to be on the grounds. No other members of the group
were asked to leave, and she said the group will be back tomorrow. She said she has been told not to return to the grounds until next week, when a new
permit is issued.
Leader Of Sovereignty Group Escorted From Palace
Leader of Hawaiian Group Banned From Iolani Palace News video there.
Now, posted today...
Sovereignty group head barred at
palace grounds
 week 3
The group is in its third week of occupying the palace grounds. The land where the Kana'ina Building and palace are located is overseen by the state
Department of Land and Natural Resources, which has posted several officers near the palace since the Hawaiian group blocked the entrances to the
grounds earlier this month.
While the Acting Government is provisional and exists until a true Hawaiian government can be reconstituted, the Hawaiian Kingdom Government
"organized themselves without any basis in Hawaiian constitutional law," Sai wrote.
Sai's group has been attempting to regain control of Hawai'i through international law.
Leaders of Hui Pu, an umbrella group of different Hawaiian independence organizations, visited the palace grounds on the first day of the Hawaiian
Kingdom Government's action and said they support its intent.
Sounds like no one is really trying to cause a problem with this... seems they went a bit overboard with the expulsion *if* there was actually a
letter in there for her ie: if she already knew that for sure. However, she will most likely be allowed back in next week, given a new permit is
granted. I try to keep my eye on it...
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reply posted on 15-5-2008 @ 03:03 PM by N.B.A.Y.S.O.H
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Hawaii will never get its sovereignty back .Not in your life time or mine.
What next give it all back to the Indians.
sad but true
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