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Opposing Masonic Tyranny

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posted on May, 1 2008 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by Road Warrior 31
i think cutbothways, is getting his imformation direcly from the book of freemasonery, '' Moral and Dogma '' of the 33 degree legendery freemason, M. Albert Pike


It all makes sense now....or maybe not.....Because that quote never appears in M&D!!


Edit: but ofcourse you would know that if your intentions were honest.

[edit on 5/1/2008 by Choronzon]




posted on May, 1 2008 @ 03:52 PM
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reply to post by lost in the midwest
 


I’m going to have to agree with you on that.
I think hat most anti-masons hold some kind of grudge against masons and that something must have happened in the past that makes them not like masons.

even not being a mason when I didn’t even have my 1st degree everytime I stepped into that lodge, there was a hand waiting for me to shake and to say hello. most of them gave hugs haha and everyone was always nice and generous. I never regret walking into that lodge.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by cutbothways
Hmm, wonder where all the masons are to discredit this thread.

Maybe they are calling for HELP!

Their lame bosses (high-degree Freemasons) call on Lucifer to help them.


Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
My first comment was that if you believed for some reason that Satan was the one supreme being, then you would not be prevented from joining if all else about you checked out OK.


Freemasonry - part one

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Freemasonry - part two



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 11:56 PM
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Lucifer? naw man me and him aren’t on good terms recently due to the fact that he owes me money.
But seriously where’s your proof????



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 12:08 AM
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Where's your proof? That's what BushidoMason just said to me on the other thread after giving oodles of proof. This is the delphi technique employed constantly by the Masons/agents here. You can provide as many links, references, videos as you want to prove your point. Then the next post an agent just says, "so where's your proof?" They ignore you in the hopes that people skim reading these posts will do the same and adopt their attitude.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen
Where's your proof? That's what BushidoMason just said to me on the other thread after giving oodles of proof. This is the delphi technique employed constantly by the Masons/agents here. You can provide as many links, references, videos as you want to prove your point. Then the next post an agent just says, "so where's your proof?" They ignore you in the hopes that people skim reading these posts will do the same and adopt their attitude.


Actually its because all your 'proof' is hear-say and/or conjecture. Which by definition does not stand the test of being credible source.

Edit: And you have people like cutbothways who quote directly from fiction.....


[edit on 5/2/2008 by Choronzon]



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 01:14 AM
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reply to post by freight tomsen
 

You're correct, as usual. You provide a great amount of evidence to support your claims. These low-degree freemasons tend to ask for proof, when it's right in front of their faces. They're simple shills for a wicked-organization.

One of the many things people like about you is the fact that you are more concerned about sharing the truth, rather than trying to hide it, like Freemasons do, everyday they discuss freemasonry with a crowd of patriotic & honest people, such as yourself.

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posted on May, 2 2008 @ 02:03 AM
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Here's an example of Masonic tyranny:


"One largely unreported story during the Ronald Reagan presidency clearly indicated that at least one freemason lodge was conspiring to overthrow the government of Italy. This scandal also involved a little-known group connected to the Freemasons called the Knights of Malta, which inherited the military orders of the old Knights Templar. John J. Raskob, one of the thirteen founders of the American Order of the Knights of Malta, was involved in the abortive coup against President Roosevelt in the early 1930s, foiled only after Marine major general Smedley Butler blew the whistle on the scheme. Modern American Knights included CIA directors John McCone and 'William Casey. Casey, along with Reagan's first secretary of state, Alexander Haig, have been connected to a fellow Knight named Licio Gelli, who during the 1980s turned a little-used Italian Masonic lodge into what was termed a ‘worldwide fascist conspiracy’ with the help of the Mafia, the Vatican Bank, and the CIA.” -Jim Marrs, “Rule by Secrecy” (256)


Here's an example showing Mason's kill those who attempt to reveal their secrets:


“By 1826 it was estimated that Masons in the United States numbered nearly fifty thousand, mostly educated and professional men. But in that year, one Mason broke ranks. It became known that a Captain William Morgan of Batavia, New York, was planning to publish a book revealing the secret symbols, handshakes, oaths, and purposes of the Freemasons. Morgan, a thirty-year member of the order, wrote, ‘the bane of our civil institutions is to be found in Masonry, already powerful and daily becoming more so. I owe my country an exposure of its dangers.’ Before the book could be printed, Morgan and his publisher were kidnapped in Batavia. Irate friends and neighbors pursued the kidnappers and managed to rescue the publisher, but Morgan was not so fortunate. He was never seen again. Years later, a Mason named Henry L. Valance confided to his doctor as he lay dying that he and two other Masons had dropped Morgan into the Niagara River Valance said since that night he had suffered from a guilty conscience—‘the mark of Cain’—and sought absolution for his sin.” -Jim Marrs, “Rule by Secrecy” (217-8)


Read Mason John Robinson's 1798 book "Proofs of a Conspiracy Against all the Religions and Governments of Europe, Carried on in the Secret Meetings of Free Masons, Illuminati and Reading Societies." The conspiracy is global, very sophisticated, and very long-running.


"The very word ‘secrecy’ is repugnant in a free and open society, and we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, secret oaths, and secret proceedings … For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence. It depends on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published, its mistakes are buried, not headlined, its dissenters are silenced, not praised, no expenditure is questioned, no secret is revealed ... I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people.” -JFK, April 27th, 1961 in an address to newspaper publishers



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 02:10 AM
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Ok this should be fun.....Hi all I'm here From Eureka Lodge #40...WEST VIRGINIA!!!!!! Ok there has been a lot of problems in the past with wanting to move the lodge forward....Not and I mean not in an evil world conquering way...There was a vote, yes this is true but it was only on ways to move the lodge forward...Just like any vote some felt that it was rigged or that it was wrong the way it was handled.There were some brothers that challenged our GM and council...This is not a no no mind you but the way they did was wrong....They were sending out e-mails and blogs trying to undermine our GM!!!!!!! LOL this happened a good while before the Jesters fiasco!!!! The MM's that were a part of this have been dealt with. Please don't take to heart everything that you read on forums or mason watch or any of that other dribble...If there are any further questions on this matter or any other that I could be of help with please feel free to ask.....or just go to www.wvmasons.org



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 09:34 AM
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Thank you for your post. I have seen politics in the Grand Lodge in Texas and Missouri and some times the brothers get a little over heated. I am glad they have passion for what they belive in, but we should always remember our Obs. People will be people. Hope things are better now.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 10:04 AM
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Honestly, what is the point of creating multiple avatars? We understand your position on freemasonry and have heard your arguments, posting them under another name brings more attention to your lack of credibility.

If freemasonry is so tyranical that you must stand up and alert the entire world, the by all means explain to us how freemasonry has wronged you and the vast suffering you are being exposed to.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 08:40 AM
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Freight,

I know this has been said ad infinitum.

First - Italy P2 Lodge - www.masonicinfo.com...

Masonry closed the Lodge - Took the Charter and stopped recognizing P2 and those who were members as Masons. Not as extreme as say the Pope Excommunicating someone but basically the same principle.

In simplest terms P2 may have continued to meet but it was not a Masonic Lodge anymore.

Second - The Morgan Affair - There was stupidity abounding on both sides. Masons went too far and Morgan was certainly no angel. Of all things about the incident there is absolutely no proof that Morgan was murdered.
Run out of town - Yes but not murdered.

www.masonicinfo.com...

Kennedy Speech.

The point of the WHOLE speech was Government Secrecy. CIA and even the FBI are the groups that Kennedy was talking about. Though even the press commented that he was very vague on what he said. Then again as much as I admire Kennedy I also have to realize he was still a politician.

www.jprof.com...

I can find many more cites that support this. Also what you posted was very typical of an Anti-Mason point of view. Selective text leaving out the context of the whole message.

What I find funny is that a book written in 1798 was updated by someone other than the author to include modern points in the book like the Kennedy speech.



[edit on 3-5-2008 by wlessard]



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 08:50 AM
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Tyranny?

Tyranny comes in a few forms - that of possessive tyranny and that of Righteous tyranny.

Judging from the actions of the anti-mason movement that seems to have sprung out from nowhere, it would seem they are trying to fight fire with perceived fire.

Which doesn't work - You Cannot Fight Tyranny with Tyranny, and as to the reasons why;

1) The survivors of the old form become part of the new form, and corrupt it from the inside.

2) He who lives by the sword dies by the sword.

These 'masonic tyranny' threads are pointless - if the people here really want to do something about what they think is a "Infection on society" Or something like that, they should get their placards out and go protest outside the nearest masonic lodge, not [profanity] about on an internet forum for christ's sake.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by wlessard
What I find funny is that a book written in 1798 was updated by someone other than the author to include modern points in the book like the Kennedy speech.
Oh, that's nothing new. Eric Dubay likes to quote a made-up letter from Albert Pike that apparently refers to the Nazi movement by name 50 years before such an organization was even formed.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 09:29 AM
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Cutbothways, don't you have anything better to do than to keep creating these threads based on lies, innuendo and hoaxes? You do seem to have alot of these threads going and I am getting really tired of it. You've spoken your piece, we all know how you feel, so don't you think it's time to lay off?

Maybe you could concentrate on genuine conspiracies, such as the Catholic Church and pedophilia or something. Or better yet, why don't you do something positive in your own life instead of focusing on how bad others are. If you're so busy worrying about the Masons, you can't possibly have enough time to take care of your own house, metaphorically speaking.

I'm really getting tired of your hate posts.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by christiansoldier
Cutbothways, don't you have anything better to do than to keep creating these threads based on lies, innuendo and hoaxes? You do seem to have alot of these threads going and I am getting really tired of it. You've spoken your piece, we all know how you feel, so don't you think it's time to lay off?

Maybe you could concentrate on genuine conspiracies, such as the Catholic Church and pedophilia or something. Or better yet, why don't you do something positive in your own life instead of focusing on how bad others are. If you're so busy worrying about the Masons, you can't possibly have enough time to take care of your own house, metaphorically speaking.

I'm really getting tired of your hate posts.


I'm sorry. I'll stop then. NOT!

My hate posts? Nothing interesting to read in what I write.

Then don't read em. Go take a nap if your show tired.

When you wake up, I'll tell you how the christians (you gave
yourself your own label) are a bunch of morons who want
the end of times, because they think they are going up to
meet Jesus in a beautiful light of glory, while all the other
heathens suffer on earth...

I call this event, the removal and burning of the chaff. What
will be left, will be the wheat, to be put in Gods storehouse.

Sweet dreams.



posted on May, 3 2008 @ 10:29 AM
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My hate posts? Nothing interesting to read in what I write.


I have only been here what... 2 weeks or so. You have nothing new. Not that I seen. It is the same over and over.

THere is a saying about that. No matter how many times you repeat a falsehood it still is a falsehood.

Anyways I said my peace and I will look for new angles but I wont hold my breath that you will post anything new. In almost 10 years of being on different Mason Discussion groups I have not seen anything new.

In almost 30 years of being part of Masonry or an apendent body (DeMolay) I have only seen this proliferation of Anti-Masonry on the internet. Most people who are anti-mason don't have the guts to actually say this stuff to a Mason face to face. I say most as when I was 25 I met a man who I knew through an internet newsgroup, One of the FIDOnet ones back before the web, met me at the library in Daytona Beach and we proceeded to go through real books on the subject. After a weekend of reading and discussion which was very civil he asked for a petition to join Masonry and has been an active member ever since. About 15 years now. Once he saw the truth and actually read through things and read quotes in context he understood where he was misled.



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 01:43 AM
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Look, I'm a Mason and I can tell you right now that I'm not interested in engaging in tyranny or oppressing anyone.

I just want to worship satanic reptiles, surgically implant children, tinker with the world economy, and hobnob with my Jesuit assassin buddies IN PEACE.

Gawd!! Is that too much to ask???

*disgusted*



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 01:51 PM
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hahaha
hey can't forget to discuss how you’re going to spend your money on the new light bulb to be replaced in the lodge room

That’s a must



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 01:39 AM
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Roark,

Are we going to have to stich your mouth up more? Geez, Man!! Go ahead and tell everbody everything already!!

This thread is the work of a troll, everybody knows it, so lets move on. It has been obvious for a long time that this individual is not interested in productive discourse or the illumination of any truths. It's all hashed over information and sloppily threaded together.

Those of us who are more serious students need not defend this drivel. We are not the nexus of evil on earth, nor are we bringers of light. We are a fratenity of men who hold certain truths to be self-evident. We recognize one Supreme Being, who I prefer to call God. We share a belief in the Brotherhood of Man. We teach that truth and morality are more than mere words, they are truely acts and deeds whose practice are to be admired.

I am under no compulsion to explain to any other man or women why I chose to continue my membership in the fratenity, unless it suits me to have them possibly understand the benefits that I derive from being a member. We are productive members of our communities, who hold our word and the word of our brothers in high regard, for the most part. Some people, regardless of their affiliation with our fratenity, are not always as up front or dependable as many of us would hope. We call these people human, a fraility that extends to us all.

I hold no ill will toward this individual, but I won't extend my hand to him in friendship. I believe the act would only be rebuffed and held in contempt by this individual. The best I can do is pray for him, because God knows I don't have the patience some of you have.

Let God sort him out.




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