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Killing Americans Is Iran's Policy

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posted on May, 1 2008 @ 03:52 PM
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You, beyond on a shadow of a doubt, can say that Iran is in fact not trying to destabilize Iraq? What proof do you have of this?

PS. Your name reeks of Bias.




posted on May, 1 2008 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by VIKINGANT

Originally posted by jasonhb
We have defeated Communism, Facism, Socialism, Nazism

These things have not been defeated. Many countries still have live by these various isms


No countries live under Nazism today. Communism is but a shadow of its former self. Facism exists in places like Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan..But we're (the Americans, NATO, EU allies and Canada) are trying to do something about it. I have nothing to say about socialism



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 04:21 PM
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All I can say is that I'm not surprised, if America wants to go to war, it will have to get its people aroused enough to support killing.

CIA = Most Untrusted Organization on this planet.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn

Originally posted by ppskylight
Shown what people? Who are you to see that kind of evidence? There isn't really room for civilian level involvment in these types of deals (so why should they release it to the public before they deem its safe) and they arent publicized until finalized because of security reasons (counter intelligence operations getting a head start). We're already at war with Iran, Iraq is just the proxy battlefront at the moment. It might shift into Iran itself if Iran keeps sticking its nose in Iraq's business.


I love how people come up with the idea that we the people have no say in what is important to the country. We the people have ALL the say in this country, and people that believe as you do only further legitimize the degradation of our right to know what our government is doing. Otherwise, who is held accountable? What the hell are checks and balances for if we don't exercise them, and enforce them to the letter?



Yes, we the people have all the say. Unfortunately, the average citizen is not an intelligence expert, nor is the average citizen qualified to comprehend in the fullest way the repurcussions that type of evidence carries for our country. Intelligence reports aren't meant for public disclosure, as that would undermine the value of the intel. You get your say at the polls, and theres other ways you can change your country if you feel it needs changing. Campaign for your favorite candidate, whatever, but theres checks and balances in place, and just because they dont seem to agree with you doesn't make them fascist. You can still vote, and the elections are free. It's called democracy.

Don't forget, the majority of Americans are civilians and have no say or inclusion in any type of defense matters that does not directly apply to their safety. The military is not composed of civilians, and they are doing their job. If they had to submit evidence to the public for approval before making every decision, America would have ceased to exist long ago.

[edit on 1-5-2008 by ppskylight]



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 04:49 PM
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What blows my mind about this all is what does the PTB expect.
What would we do if Russia invaded Mexico.
Sit on our duffs?
I mean Bush acts so violated that Iran is arming the Millitants.
Did he not expect them to do so from the start?
If so we've got a REAL intelligence problem here!
I mean really they talk to us like we are in kindegraden or something.
Iran has to intervene in Iraq or they are next!
Unreal it is!



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 05:09 PM
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This propaganda is a last ditch effort by the clown troop of Bush-chenney-Rice to get gung-ho, under educated, US males to leave the back mountains and ghetto's, & jump on their sinking bandwagon.

A bandwagon of lies, deceit and death!

Recrutment offices in midwest strip malls must be flooded in 'patriotic anticipation' waiting for the legions teenage morons believing this BS!

Teenage Moron - "I'm here tuh kill them damn Rackee's... my shot guns in the truck... my girl Jenna's 8 months pregnant with a son, but she says it cool... how long I'm gonna be over there?!"

R.O. - "I'll put it like this... when you get back... if you get back... your wife will have slept with half the county, and your son will be shaving."

T.M. - "A methusla huh?"


FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! of those evildoer's is the mantra of the age.




[edit on 1-5-2008 by Level X]



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 06:12 PM
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I like to use analogies and keep them simple so some of the lesser politically aware onlookers can get more of an understanding. To turn it around I could say that using big words and political jargon in an attempt to make yourself look ‘well read’ or superior to others just comes across as arrogant and trying too hard.
You know nothing of my education or age (nor I of yours) so your argument is invalid and pointless as far as I am concerned.
I apologise if making things easy to understand for others is somehow offensive to you but it seemed to have an impact and help get my point across at the time.


reply to post by ppskylight
 

These isms may not be as prevalent these days but that is not to say that there are still some sects of people who practice or wish to practice them to some extent even Nazism so they have in fact not been ‘defeated’.
You say America (with friends) is working on removing fascism. Are they not practicing this very same ism themselves in trying to make the world more like them and telling others how to run their countries? Why did China for instance not get involved to try and make them a Communist Nation or Russia enforce its brand of democracy?



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 06:17 PM
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ooh good nuff reason for me, lets go to war in Iran too.. [/sarcasm] They must really believe the US citizens are a bunch of gullible idiots, oh wait.. a good percentage are. Never mind, carry on.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by jasonhb
If I were you I would study all wars the US has been in and why. Your blanket statements dont add up to anything my friend.


So how many books have you read dealing with the US national security states interventions in foreign countries? Just say when you want to start comparing notes so i can start opening my files and introducing some reality into your world.


Iran is the leading state supporter of islamic terrorism.


As compared to Saudi-Arabia, Pakistan, the USA ( a good few of those Cubans living in Florida) and a few others Iran has very little to do with international terrorism.


I believe once they are dealt with (and seria) through a thorough air campaign Iraq will have a chance at governing themselves with the moderate democratically elected government.


Since the vast majority of Iraqi's are Shia and 90% of Iranians are Shia if Iraq is allowed to self govern a formal alliance will result in short order. Fact is the US can not allow Iraqi's to democratically elect anyone of importance as that will run counter to their aim of fracturing ME unity.


Israel will will be able to live free and the a new moderate palestinian state can be born. I think the time is now or never.


Israeli's will never be able to live freely while they allow their government to enslave their fellow countrymen because they happen to have arrived their sooner. The time is no more now than ever than it was five decades ago and frankly nothing will be resolved while the US still has some strategic clout. When Israel is finally forced to fend for itself peace will follow in relative short order but until such a day they will have resourced and weapons enough to suppress Palestinians and ward of anyone who might wish to aid them.

Stellar



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:26 PM
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I'm not saying everyone is qualified to understand the intelligence and interpret the data in a sane fashion. We have a problem with that today with the Iraq war, as we did with the Vietnam war. Just because we're not part of the intelligence community doesn't mean that the intelligence community lives up to that label. This war is stupid. Forget any crimes that have been committed, forget, 9/11, forget everything the media has told you and just think, is our presence there the problem? Is this going to spill into Iran as Vietnam spilled into Cambodia and Laos? What are the potential repercussions? And do you want your loved ones dying for such insanity? Is WW3 worth it to you?



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by VIKINGANT

If they had the evidence, would they not present it when making the claim in the first place?

It's kinda like a bad cops show where the detective makes allegations against the suspect bluffing them with false information hoping they will slip up and confess thier crimes.....


Well, either that, or maybe to be able to have time for the U.S. to plant the 'evidence'.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 10:01 PM
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Does anyone else see the irony here that CIA funded arms and ammo to Chechneya and Afganistan against the Russians?
Yet there is such indignation Iran 'may' be providing arms and assistance to Iraq?
The sword cuts both ways.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 10:21 PM
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Likewise you do know that the USSR supplied weapons to Vietnam, and North Korea in those 2 wars right?

I have said it before and will keep saying it, the best way to approach Iran is offer open diplomatic relations and direct talks. I would be very interested to see what the reaction would be from those friendly folks who since 1979 have held death to America parties, how would they react to that?

As for the ludicrous notion that Iran doesn't support terrorism,

mehr.org...

www.meforum.org...


Suicide Units

The Iranian officials appeared true to their word. During a September 2004 speech in Bushehr, home of Iran's declared nuclear reactor, Samadi announced the formation of a "martyrdom-seeking" unit from Bushehr while Hossein Shariatmadari, editor of the official daily Keyhan, called the United States military "our hostage in Iraq," and bragged that "martyrdom-operations constitute a tactical capability in the world of Islam."[13]

Then, on November 23, 2004, in response to the U.S. campaign against Iraqi insurgents in Fallujah,[14] Samadi announced the formation of the first suicide unit. Named after the chief bomb-maker of Hamas, Yahya Ayyash, also known as Al-Muhandis (The Engineer) assassinated on January 5, 1996, it consisted of three teams of unknown size: the Rim Saleh ar-Riyashi team, named after Hamas's first female suicide bomber; the Mustafa Mahmud Mazeh team, named after a 21-year-old Lebanese who met his death in a Paddington hotel room on August 3, 1989, priming a book bomb likely aimed at Salman Rushdie; and the Ahmad Qasir team, named after a 15-year-old Lebanese Hezbollah suicide bomber whose operation demolished an eight-story building housing Israeli forces in Tyre, southern Lebanon, on November 11, 1982.[15] Samadi said there would be an additional call for volunteers at Tehran's largest Iran-Iraq war cemetery, the Behesht-e Zahra, the following week,[16] and even promised to consider establishing special elementary schools to train for suicide operations.[17]

He kept his word. On December 2, 2004, the Headquarters gathered a crowd in the Martyr's Section of Behesht-e Zahra,[18] where those who conducted suicide operations are honored. According to the Iranian Mehr News Agency, the organization unveiled a memorial stone commemorating the "martyrs" killed in the 1983 Hezbollah attacks on the U.S. Marine and French peacekeepers' barracks in Beirut. They set the stone next to one commemorating Anwar Sadat's assassin. Samadi concluded the ceremony with a raging speech, declaring, "The operation against the Marines was a hard blow in the mouth of the Americans and demonstrated that despite their hollow prestige and imagined strength … they [have] many vulnerable points and weaknesses. We consider this operation a good model. The cemeteries in which their dead are buried provide an interesting view and cool the hearts of those Muslims who have been stepped upon under the boots of the Yankees while they were ignored by the international community."[19]



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 11:03 PM
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Yes, please introduce "you're reality" into my world. Break it out...pleeze!

Just to understand your mindset. Please tell me what this means that you wrote:

You:

When Israel is finally forced to fend for itself peace will follow in relative short order but until such a day they will have resourced and weapons enough to suppress Palestinians and ward of anyone who might wish to aid them.

Huh?

My guess is that you dont support democracy. The majority of palestinians do want peace. It's irans proxies hamas who stall the process, launch rockets into israel and then cry war crimes when they retaliate. And if you think Iran is democratic I guess it is. Just like he first Ford cars that were sold. "You can have any color you want as long as it's black". America has long been a defender of peace. What has S. Africa done for the world? Isn't that where you are from? Break out your books, im curious what other cowardly liberal nonsence you are going to put forward.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 11:27 PM
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And who put the madjis is power to overthrow the shaw? We did. In the 80's Iran was considered one of most westernised nations in the middle east till we could'nt keep our bloody paws off it. Same as Hussein. Till they wouldn't play ball like we wanted.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by anti us gov
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when they said that iran was giving the weapons to iraqis'. thats when they should have shown the evidence to the public. why would that be a problem to show evidence?


Ok I agree they should show evidence to the public. But where would they find such evidence that most americans could readily understand came from Iran? I could be wrong but I don't think that the weapons that Iran is giving to the militants is stamped "a gift from Iran to you" or "death to america from Iran" some things are not easy to prove, and that goes both ways...but I don't find it very hard to believe that Iran is giving our "enemies" weapons and encouraging american casualties



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 11:36 PM
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All i can say is if i was the president of Iran i'd be giving the Iraqis what ever they need to fight the Americans.
Didn't someone really intelligent once say it's better to fight them over there than over here?
I guess that could be true in Iran's case too huh?



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by Stumpy1
some things are not easy to prove


As I pointed out earlier....

Military commanders in Baghdad are expected to roll out evidence of that support soon


And my point now as it was then. Why SOON? Why not make the claim when the evidence is available?



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 12:14 AM
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The ayatola of iran (the dictator) has a long history of directing proxies which he learned while in exile. This is some good info:

link:

www.fsmitha.com...



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by BrezhnevX

as usual propagnada BS from an american poster ..
also fact is that most americans are arrogant , and use propanganda to hide their war crimes against humanity
have you ever seen journalist John Pilger 's documentary "War on democracy , do see it and , you wil realise how USA has murdered millions in latin America and across the world
the entire documentary
have you ever seen journalist John Pilger's war on democracy:
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also a link on CIA sponsored terror:
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what about the millions of Red indians you murdered alongside the spanish eh?
millions of vietnamese,philpinos ,latinos murdered , what about CIA drugs black ops ???
what about the democracies you overthroew , like in iran and people like Shah


The US has commited its share of atrocities throughout world history. But that remark about propaganda is one hell of a thing to say from someone living in 'Soviet Imperium.' The fact of the matter is, almost all nations are financially, and therefore politically, controlled by those who control our money world-wide. Wars are no longer driven by someones sovereignty being violated, they are driven by greed from those who want one thing and one thing only, power. No use getting into a pissing contest over whose country caused more death because it doesn't matter anymore. The entire world is going to end up a giant socialist state, where all the wealth has been consolidated by our rulers. After all, that is what socialism does, it doesn't equally distribute anything, except to those who are at the top of that food chain. We are spoon fed this idea of multiculturalism that will eventually destroy everyones national identity, then we will see a true world government, which is the eventual goal of all the actions cited in your post. The purpose for the coup's, assassinations, and interdictions.



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