Killing Americans Is Iran's Policy

Originally posted by ppskylight
reply to post by BrezhnevX

 

The website you referenced is terribly put together, and a terrible reference in any argument. The page itself is poorly sourced and I found many flaws within reading only for a few minutes. I stopped, because I can't really force myself to read too much bull# before it starts to bug me. This is a slanted, revisionist history. Not to mention I believe that the source has been linked to anti semetic/holocaust denier websites in the past few years.

as usual propagnada BS from an american poster ..
also fact is that most americans are arrogant , and use propanganda to hide their war crimes against humanity
have you ever seen journalist John Pilger 's documentary "War on democracy , do see it and , you wil realise how USA has murdered millions in latin America and across the world
the entire documentary
have you ever seen journalist John Pilger's war on democracy:
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also a link on CIA sponsored terror:
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what about the millions of Red indians you murdered alongside the spanish eh?
millions of vietnamese,philpinos ,latinos murdered , what about CIA drugs black ops ???
what about the democracies you overthroew , like in iran and people like Shah

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Originally posted by anti us gov
the us is almost fascism. and then it will become a communist country.

I'm sorry, but did you actually think this through before posting it? Did you realize that fascism and communism are at completely opposite ends of the spectrum? Apparently you did not. You're so befuddled and desperate for something to raise fear in people around you that you just grabbed the two biggest political threat buzzwords and threw them together in a pairing that could never co-exist or occur in a manner where one leads to the other. Allow me to correct your post...

the us is a representative democracy, and it will remain a representative democracy.

fixed!

Now, for everyone clammoring for evidence... you ever actually turn on the news? Read a paper or actual NEWS website (no, blogs and op-ed pieces don't count)? Maybe flip over to NPR on your radio once in awhile? If you have, then maybe you've heard of a dude named the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The United States and the Ayatollah Assaholla go back a long ways, he was, in fact Ayatollah Khomeini's puppet president during the hostage crisis. The two of them have always had two mantras: "Death to America, the great white Satan!" and "Death to Israel!" Enter Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the angry little man. He's yet another of the "Death to America! Boo-hiss! Boo-hiss!" jagoffs in that lovely little country.

We're not dealing with the Iron Sheik here, guys. This isn't an example of a group of foreigners play acting like a bunch of heels and bad mouthing "Real American" Hulk Hogan before quietly going out with him and throwing back a few beers after the show. These guys actually want us dead. It isn't because we're fascists, communists, puritans, hiding the secrets of what really happened at Roswell, or wearing unmatching socks, either. They want us dead because for 1500 years it is what the radical shia Muslim world has done... that being wage war against anyone who isn't also under the same set of laws and religious-political structure of beliefs. If Iran was such a peacefull nation, then why is it that every other word out of their leaders' mouths directly calls for the death of large groups of people? You really don't see that outside of communist and muslim nations anymore. Bush has called for anhilation of terrorists and terror supporting nations, but you gotta have some seriously thick skulls to even attempt to compare calling for the destruction of Al Qaida with calling for the genocide of the Jew.

So if our government says Iran is aiding the insurgents in Iraq, I really have only one reaction: "Duh, anyone with half a brain already figured that out a couple years ago when the reports of large numbers of insurgents being Iranian nationals using Iranian arms surfaced. Please, Uncle Sam, tell me something I didn't already know..." The only real question at this point is whether we take a pre-emptive strike or allow the middle eastern culture of death and glorification of pure unadulterated evil to take the first shot, probably at Israel, and then retalliate. Of course I get the impression that some among you would probably expect us to break out olive branches and peace offerings even if a shahab was sticking out of the chest of Lady Liberty.

reply to post by BrezhnevX


I see we've never heard of the Creek massacre, have we?

I defy you to take any society in the world and tell me they don't have major wars in their history. We don't commit war crimes, we solve war crimes. You want to find war crimes, fine, look at the crime the UN commited by allowing Saddam Hussein to repeatedly break sanction after sanction and play games with the inspectors after he was miraculously and inexplicably saved from America's noose after his initial intrasurgence into a neighboring sovern nation (Kuwait).

Are Americans arrogant? You're damn right we're arrogant, but we deserve to be arrogant. We've covered the UN's butt for years. We've prevented India and Pakistan from wiping each other off the map. We kept Russia from sodomizing the entirety of Europe. We drove Germany back into submission and turned Japan from a warmongering island of agression to a modernized nation of peace. We blow our noses on the idea we should feel any guilt over the world's inferiority complex and wipe our mouths off on the sleeve of international whining. We tried working peacefully with the world and where did it get us? A huge smoldering crater in the center of downtown Manhattan and a hole in the side of a US Navy vessel, that's where. So forgive me if claims of arrogant Americans fall on my deaf ears... actually, don't forgive me, we've done nothing wrong.

reply to post by burdman30ott6


Kudos burdman, i couldn't have put it better. America is not perfect by no stretch of the imagination, but people have been so blinded by the truth that they've have negated their grasp of history and common sense for the convenient media depiction that is currently distorting Americas image. Has the world really become that crazy that they will actually side with these Islamic fascists who harbour a true hatred for anyone not adhering to their ideals.

Isn't it amazing how so many America haters take pleasure in utilising this democratic source of debate, to side with countries that quite frankly do not tolerate such forums!!!

Originally posted by jasonhb
We have defeated Communism, Facism, Socialism, Nazism

These things have not been defeated. Many countries still have live by these various isms

But as Patrick Henry said, "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death"!

What about the liberty for other countries and cultures to live by their own chosen political viewpoint? If for instance you like chocolate icecream and I feel that vanilla is the only flavour that should exsist do I have the right to beat you up with my vanilla eating friends until you eat only vanilla?
Its a very basic analogy I know but it makes my point

reply to post by VIKINGANT


The problem is your assuming that the people of these countries chose to live as by their governments desire. Iran as an example, is a religious theocracy, contrary to the will of its people. To keep continuity with your analogistic theme, its like you wanting to have strawberry ice cream, but your government says you can only have vanilla, but strawberry ice cream is readily available outside your borders, so why shouldnt you have it?

Originally posted by theblunttruth
reply to post by VIKINGANT

 

The problem is your assuming that the people of these countries chose to live as by their governments desire. Iran as an example, is a religious theocracy, contrary to the will of its people. To keep continuity with your analogistic theme, its like you wanting to have strawberry ice cream, but your government says you can only have vanilla, but strawberry ice cream is readily available outside your borders, so why shouldnt you have it?

Iran did have strawberry ice-cream before until the US splattered it all over the floor and forced them to have vanilla.

Please don't bull# and pretend that the US cares about democracy. They weren't too keen on that when they overthrew Mossadegh and installed the Shah - training his secret police and using the US embassy as a focal point of identifying and kidnapping political opposition for prison and torture.

Have you ever wondered why they went straight to the American embassy after the revolution?

reply to post by theblunttruth


Yes. Point taken. But there are alot of countries who ARE happy with their political structure yet the US still feel they need to jump in anyway because it is not in ine with thier thinkng. Look at the USSR of old where communism was said to be the biggest evil on earth. Many Russians and Slavs were happy with it.
On the other hand, there are countries where the people revolted and showed signs of success with the revolts but the US again jumped in to 'set thing right' because they felt the 'people' were wrong and didnt know what was good for them(according to the US standpoint)

reply to post by VIKINGANT


I totally agree, hence conceding to the fact that the US is far from perfect and has made blunders before. I am also not one to insist that the western style democracy should be the model for all nations, far from it. We have to encourage a mutual understanding and respect for others cultures, history and heritage.

All this talk of icecream makes me glad I live in the OL USA... I dont think you can get Ben and Jerry's Cherry Garcia IceCream in IRAN.. HAHA...

I always like to compare FOX and CNN 's websites... I notice that CNN is always talking about something different the FOX. And FOX seems to talk more about IRAN, SYRIA... POSSIBLE TERRORISM THREATS while CNN seems to talk more about the IRAQ war.. It is an intersting thing if you pay attention to it... But I have noticed that for the past week FOX has almost constantly had something related to PRO-WAR type stories as the headline.... SYRIA had a nuclear plant... IRAN is killing americans... AL Queda is Strong... I mean it has been constant... Either that kind of talk sells advertising on thier site or someone is wanting to prepare us for a preemptive attack on IRAN.... In any case, the constant rumble of this news concerns me for what may happen soon.... speaking of constant rumble... another earthquake in California... Breaking news on FOX...

reply to post by Euroche


Euroche, first of all thanks for the reply, you make some very valid points that i completely agree with, so please refrain from hostility in the form as branding ones opinion as BS, before hearing me out!

As my post above, the US has made some awful moves in the middle east in it's thirst for oil. Its policies are completely inconsistent. If we talk about Iran, then of course, its failure was underlined when deposing of Mossadeqh, for Reza Shah Pahlavi. But we must distinguish between the Shahs regime and the current theocracy. The US is it's greatest enemy sometimes, it is currently rueing past mistakes which make it increasingly difficult to impose a moral high ground.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
reply to post by BrezhnevX

 

I see we've never heard of the Creek massacre, have we?

Are Americans arrogant? You're damn right we're arrogant, but we deserve to be arrogant. We've covered the UN's butt for years. We've prevented India and Pakistan from wiping each other off the map. We kept Russia from sodomizing the entirety of Europe. We drove Germany back into submission and turned Japan from a warmongering island of agression to a modernized nation of peace. We blow our noses on the idea we should feel any guilt over the world's inferiority complex and wipe our mouths off on the sleeve of international whining. We tried working peacefully with the world and where did it get us? A huge smoldering crater in the center of downtown Manhattan and a hole in the side of a US Navy vessel, that's where. So forgive me if claims of arrogant Americans fall on my deaf ears... actually, don't forgive me, we've done nothing wrong.

We don't commit war crimes, we solve war crimes.

where does that BS come from Mr.know-it-all, your Leader Bush is a war criminal , so was George Washington who openly advocated the genocide of Red indians....

We kept Russia from sodomizing the entirety of Europe.

first thing , Russia was interested in finlandization of Europe through political means and not destroying it , it very well knew it would destroy Europe in a matter of days with just conventional forces alone ,but this sort of war would have been detrimental to the forces of world communism and would have made the SU look like the biggest danger to world ...

We drove Germany back into submission

Soviet Union was the one who drove Germany back to submission , as it destroyed 86% of the fascist and nazi wehrmacht forces ....

We've prevented India and Pakistan from wiping each other off the map.

firstly, USA had threatened to wipe India off the map in 1971 during indo-pak war and sent a carrier task force to bay of bengal to attack india and it was the soviets who sent nuclear armed destroyer force to Bay of bengal in response and made America step down and prevented destruction of India ...

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
reply to post by BrezhnevX

 

Are Americans arrogant? You're damn right we're arrogant, but we deserve to be arrogant. We've covered the UN's butt for years. We've prevented India and Pakistan from wiping each other off the map. We kept Russia from sodomizing the entirety of Europe. We drove Germany back into submission and turned Japan from a warmongering island of agression to a modernized nation of peace.

I actually agreed with some of what you said, but you can't always cast the US as a white knight, riding in to save the day.

The US always acts in its own interests, and always will. Some of these interests map directly on to democratic will, and the progress of human rights. But you can't claim that this is always the case.

As for the whole world war 2 shenanigans. You guys really, really, really, REALLY didn't want to get involved for a very long time. You stood by whilst the whole of Europe was raped. Thanks for taking so long to make your minds up.

In al fairness ,our gov says they have proof ,but truly they dont.hey just want to go after the third largest oil country.one that never sighned the treaty with the us .back when kissinger was in office.But never less we will just sit by and let them do what they do.And us WE will do nothing and they know that.WE are the People that sit by and let our gov do what they want ,even let them take our libetys,(like the Patriot act took alot away .and we did nothing, SO FREE RAIN IN GOV FOR THEM>"DO WHAT THEY DO. I MIGHT BE ONE MAN BUT I AM GOING TO VOISE MY OPINION TO THEM. Time to picket and MAKE NOISE for all the world to see we are not going to take it any more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love how some of you are calling for evidence of Iran's terrorist activities directed against the US, as if you would ever even accept such evidence when it's provided. There is not a single thing short of an Iranian admission that would have any of you believing that Iran is guilty.

But the real sad part is that so many of you will use the excuse of "Iraq" to keep the American government and military from adequately defending the American people, and people of other nations, in the future. I'm just grateful that thick-headed individuals like those who are so prevalent on this site are not in charge of making the necessary decisions to protect this nation. After all, you guys won't even recognize Iran's continued acts of aggression and terrorism against the US and its allies for the past 30 YEARS! But I suppose that when Iranian students, with the knowledge and blessing of the Iranian Islamofascist government, stormed our embassy in Tehran and held Americans hostage for nearly a year, that was just a diplomatic dispute, right? And when Iranian-backed Hezbollah agents blew up our Marine barracks in Lebanon, that was just a bad electrical fire, right? Give me a break! These animals have been hell-bent on the destruction of the US, Israel and every other non-Islamic nation since 1979.

Some of you are so consumed with hatred and anger for our current president and his administration, that you're willing to take the side of any evil individuals and/or nations that oppose them. Someday many of you will look back with regret and shame on your siding with terrorist kooks like Ahmadinejad and coca leaf-chewing madmen like Hugo Chavez. I just pray that our country doesn't pay the price for your ignorance.

reply to post by hpcocoa


I'm sorry, but that would be almost funny if it wasn't so misguided and contradictory. You talk about your civil liberties being taken from you and then side with a country like Iran. Try living there and then lets hear what you have to say about your civil liberties!!!

It is that our policy is to police the world and change other countrys to what we think.If our gov didn"t put their nose into their buisness ,we wouldn"t of had even 9 11.Hew are we to change what they think our do.those countrys weir formed way befor ous. i gus we should of never train ben loden on millatery intelagence years agoe . I think we need to go to our constitution and read it, Well the gov should anyway. They are not their to protect the us , to protect us they need to bring all our troops home and leave them alone and mind their owen buisness.and take care of all our owen problems hear . Vote ron paul!!!!

Originally posted by Rasputin13
I love how some of you are calling for evidence of Iran's terrorist activities directed against the US, as if you would ever even accept such evidence when it's provided. There is not a single thing short of an Iranian admission that would have any of you believing that Iran is guilty.

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Some of you are so consumed with hatred and anger for our current president and his administration, that you're willing to take the side of any evil individuals and/or nations that oppose them. Someday many of you will look back with regret and shame on your siding with terrorist kooks like Ahmadinejad and coca leaf-chewing madmen like Hugo Chavez. I just pray that our country doesn't pay the price for your ignorance.

Great post, i totally agree, particularly with your first statement. Evidence has already been publicly displayed with regards to Iran's IED's and interference in Iraq. Also, many documents regarding the construction of Nuclear Warheads were found by the IAEA, but it is completely futile, these people will just not believe any of it until the day warhead hits them between the eyes so to speak. By that time it's too late.

A star for your post my friend

And for another thing . we give wepons to other countys. hew are in war.
you really need to sit back and think.we do it but if someone else does it we are going to declair war on them .sounds one way to me .that is y we need to bring our troops home and protect it from hear.stay out of their gov . WE are not into nation building. And for another how can we build theirs when they cant even run ours , do you think they follow our for fathers rules,do you think they really give a darn .Thees are people hew are out for power and glory. If They didnt spend all our money over their can you amagine how well we the people would be doing hear. iT IS NOT MY PROBLEM IF IRAQ has no freedom .they weir never free.but they weir a nation way befor we weir.so if they want freedom let them fight for it as our for fathers fought for ours and like our trops do for ours.Our milatery is hear for our protection not to go free other countrys.if they want freedom fight for it or move to the good ol usa,(get a green card)

reply to post by jasonhb


Is this you answer to everything. Didn't you just give the same EXACT answer on another board. Why yes you did....

America will NEVER stand down in the face of evil. We have become a great country because we are not afraid of going toe to toe with anyone. We have defeated Communism, Facism, Socialism, Nazism and a Monarchy to bring freedom to hundreds of millions of people from every race, creed, religion and nationality. And we WILL defeat Islamo-Facism! 'We may love life like they love death'..............But as Patrick Henry said, "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death"!

JasonHB cut and paste forum method exposed *link to other board*

This is called a forum, a thread where you discuss issues not just paste your constant unchangeed montra on board after board.

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