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The very real conspiracy against Freemasonry

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posted on May, 12 2008 @ 08:20 AM
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reply to post by freight tomsen
 


I originally joined because I was no longer willing to believe in second-hand information from some website.

You could be quoting 10 00000000000000000000000000000 books on the taste of wine, but you will never know what it tastes like without taking a sip.




posted on May, 12 2008 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen
Good men do not become better men by entering into oath-bound secret societies! Masons are sworn to secrecy under threat of death, thus they are inherently forced into being lifetime liars.


Thats symbolic. I wouldnt know of any information I am not allowed to disclose, much less of any information I could die for.

If that were true why arent any of these "ex-mason" writers who "expose" masonry and rake in millions of dollars in book royalty, dead?



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 09:15 AM
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Man, come on...what is this, a big show or what, this thread look like
It have been created to derailed our investigation goal on secret society
We are losing precious time arguing in this thread and anyway 90% of the
Post in here are between freemason to even more create a ‘’ BIG ‘’ distractive show
And to get us further to our goal, find the truth on a secret societies and their secret agenda



Man, since the beginning of the years, there were very good thread, that
tried to exposed the world agenda of powerful elites and secret society,
gaining power throw powerful corporation, organisation and
and secret society.



real good thread man, with the will, to put light over secret society
to expose to the world the immense power they have and how they
will use it against humanity to create, a one world, prison planet

man, we are here in this conspiracy forum site, all together...to work as a team
to day after day, get more and more conscious of the matrix that the world elites
are structuring around us like, a prison. freemason are the only one who never
try to explore and expose conspiracy, take a look to each and every thread they are
participated, they only use thread to posted propaganda to promote freemason
or to protect the organisation, by aggressively telling conspiratist that they
are ( stupid, ignorant, paranoid etc ) but they do this because we are close
to find the truth and they are terrified about it.



MAN, there are not conspiratist at all, like all members of any cult, yes ‘’ cult...’’
they are programmed to use propaganda strategies, like if they had to protect
their own family like any programmed cult members do, without being conscious
of what they really do, cult use mind control techniques, all around the world and
so since hundreds of years, now it is only more technically advance so it is harder
for victims to be awarded of it so they believe that they do the right thing but they
are helping ELITES to destroy the humanity freedom

Maybe someone should create a thread named,

THE VERY REAL CONSPIRACY AGAINST CONSPIRATIST?




posted on May, 12 2008 @ 09:17 AM
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reply to post by Road Warrior 31
 


What, you dont wanna see a difference between quality-conspiracy-theory and trash?



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 11:39 AM
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reply to post by Skyfloating
 


and, here we go again...


if it is not pro freemason and if a conspiratist dig to deep, and to far,
where, freemasons don't want anybody to go, it ''have'' to be
'' TRASH '' is that it...

it is a endless battle man, more it change and more it's still the same
like i already told here. if there is one think i learn around here,
that think would be that,

FIRST - freemasonry ''CULT'' is untouchable
SECOND - freemasons are all untouchables

man, the roots, of freemasonry are hide so deep, that it is almost impossible
for the light of truth to go clearify, the darkness of that secret society



Maybe someone should indeed, create a thread named,

THE VERY REAL CONSPIRACY AGAINST CONSPIRATIST?




posted on May, 12 2008 @ 11:44 AM
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reply to post by Road Warrior 31
 


Go ahead and create that thread. Preach it. Thanks to the Constitution you have freedom of speech.



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 01:19 PM
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and thanks to freemasons (16% of the signers), you have the Constitution. What a vicious circle indeed. When will the evil end?

At the risk of misquoting... let me loosely paraphrase a line from Bridge to Light: Freemasonry is not a secret society, nor is it a society with secrets. In fact, just the opposite - it's a society that reveals secrets. The masons have revealed the secrets of ancient teachings, and preserved them to modern day times. Without masons lots of this information would have been lost forever, which is the real secret? Information lost forever, or information passed down through generations and lodges to maintain information?



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by Road Warrior 31
man, we are here in this conspiracy forum site, all together...to work as a team to day after day, get more and more conscious of the matrix that the world elites are structuring around us like, a prison. freemason are the only one who never try to explore and expose conspiracy, take a look to each and every thread they are participated, they only use thread to posted propaganda to promote freemason or to protect the organisation, by aggressively telling conspiratist that they are ( stupid, ignorant, paranoid etc ) but they do this because we are close to find the truth and they are terrified about it.


Exactly. Don't worry Road Warrior 31, the only people the Mason/agents fool are themselves. Most ATSers don't even come to this forum because of the CHILDREN that run it. As you Masons see in my book, I figured out your stupid secrets without joining your crooked organization. Now I can use those secrets for ACTUAL spriritual uplift, unlike ALL of you, who are condemned to lives of lies and secrecy.

Someone said "lies aren't the same as secrets." Tell that to the receipt you got for your soul.



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen
Exactly. Don't worry Road Warrior 31, the only people the Mason/agents fool are themselves. Most ATSers don't even come to this forum because of the CHILDREN that run it. As you Masons see in my book, I figured out your stupid secrets without joining your crooked organization. Now I can use those secrets for ACTUAL spriritual uplift, unlike ALL of you, who are condemned to lives of lies and secrecy.

Someone said "lies aren't the same as secrets." Tell that to the receipt you got for your soul.


Dude, you're always going on about how Masons are all liars, but you have yet to demonstrate even one instance of this happening. You keep bleating about it without actually backing up your accusations.

This is a great opportunity for you! You have been shown to post falsehoods (See thread: "So How Can One Mason Know That All Masons Are Innocent?"), but you are yet to show us how Masons themselves are liars.

Show us an instance of regular Masons on the forum lying about something. If Masons are constantly lying, it should be easy for you to demonstrate one instance of this.

Care to take up the challenge, brah? I have to warn you, though, that your failure to do so, or responding with yet another change of topic, will be interpreted by me as an inability to respond to the point at hand due to your entire line of argument being based on conjecture.

OK, go!



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 10:10 PM
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Whoa there spirit7 .. You need to calm down on the smilies..

Didn't you supposedly join this board under the guise of "I just want to learn and see all the sides to the stories" and now Masonry is a cult taking over the world and oh wait..

Just another handle..

Forgot.



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 12:07 AM
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man, honestly, since i join, i want see all the sides to the stories, you explain me a lot about freemasonry, '' and i tank you for it ''. i listen and read a lot of documentation, threads and good movies and video on both side. '' head side '' and '' tale side'' of the coin. like i told you in the '' Who is the most powerful secret society?'' thread
what make me balance more on the '' head side'' was cause by a lot of freemason's, close, agresive, attitude, i wanted to honestly explored equaly, but man, a soon as i started to explore freemason's conspiracy, all freemason even you, start to be frustrated and agressively trying to convinced me to change direction, to stay on the freemason side.

man, i honestly, wanted to see all the sides of the stories and i also want to try to find the truth, and it could not be possible to do so, without exploring conspiracy possibilities. man, why don't you let every one explore conspiracies, you feel ''personaly'' accused when conpiracy theorist dig around your backyard.

man, it is only a fraternity NON...who cares, why you all react like ''cult'' members, any honest men on earth would be interesting in conspiracy regarding their organisation. if i work for a compagny and even if i am proud to be one of their employe, if my boss is suspect of criminal activity, i don't care if he is my boss, i want to know the truth, you know what i mean man,

that is why i am interesting in questions, like: is freemasory a cult / religion, under a fraternity front cover to hide it, like i asked here in this post..

reply to post by Road Warrior 31
 



man, i have been searching around on freemason and it's look like one of their '' secrets '', is that freemasonery is a indeed a religion, what do you think, that could explain, their energy in, why, they all strongly defend their fraternity, in conspiracy forum site, like some scientologist, on the street, trying to convince nonbelievers or asking '' what are you afraid of '' , no...


"Freemasonry is indeed a Religion"
video on '' freemasonery is a religion ''




don't take it personaly rockpock, if i don't drink everything freemason give me, i have to explore all possibilities if i want to find the truth, even if you had bashed me around a little i think you and augustusmasonicus have interesting point of view sometimes, anyway, i agree maybe some accusation could be free but it is unrealistic from freemason to say that freemasonry his without any, conspiracy secrets and guilty acusations.

and yes i will calm down on the smiley, sorry i got emotional man


ho..! and freight tomsen, i found on a thread, a post about your book
, i started to read it and it is very interesting, man i don't know how many hours of research you most have done to write all those pages but it seems to be alot
it sure gonna take me a while, to get throw all of it, but i will..



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by Road Warrior 31

man, honestly, since i join, i want see all the sides to the stories, you explain me a lot about freemasonry, '' and i tank you for it ''. i listen and read a lot of documentation, threads and good movies and video on both side. '' head side '' and '' tale side'' of the coin. like i told you in the '' Who is the most powerful secret society?'' thread
what make me balance more on the '' head side'' was cause by a lot of freemason's, close, agresive, attitude, i wanted to honestly explored equaly, but man, a soon as i started to explore freemason's conspiracy, all freemason even you, start to be frustrated and agressively trying to convinced me to change direction, to stay on the freemason side.

man, i honestly, wanted to see all the sides of the stories and i also want to try to find the truth, and it could not be possible to do so, without exploring conspiracy possibilities. man, why don't you let every one explore conspiracies, you feel ''personaly'' accused when conpiracy theorist dig around your backyard.


Once again Road Warrior has said such a piece of truth it must be quoted. READ THIS QUOTE AGAIN, and if you're new to the Secret Society forum, have a browse through. Notice how ALL the Masons act exactly as Road Warrior has pointed out. It is their unified front of Misinfo.

[edit on 13-5-2008 by freight tomsen]



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen

Once again Road Warrior has said such a piece of truth it must be quoted. READ THIS QUOTE AGAIN, and if you're new to the Secret Society forum, have a browse through. Notice how ALL the Masons act exactly as Road Warrior has pointed out. It is their unified front of Misinfo.



I read it. As evidenced in the OP, anti-masons are usually of the sort that like to suppress freedom of speech and "the other side of the story".



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 06:07 AM
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After the happenings in this thread, I have decided that there is definitely a conspiracy to destroy the good reputation of Freemasonry.

Anti-masonic propaganda is rife, accusations thrown without proof, all to tarnish the image of Freemasonry, irrespective of the feelings of the Masons.

The question is: "Why?"

What do the anti-masons gain by tarnishing the reputation of Freemasonry? Why do they do what they do? What do they stand to gain by bashing Masons with false propaganda?

Would any anti-mason like to comment?

I have found that anti-masons tend to objectify Masons, forgetting or ignoring the fact that we are just normal people - your next door neighbour who brings in your post when it's raining, your local postman, your school teacher who you visit once a month to discuss the progress of your child.

My office mate and I are best of friends. He is strongly anti-mason, and condemns masonry in a similar fashion to Freight Tomsen here. I have not told him that I'm a mason, because he would drop our friendship like a hot coal, without reason or cause. Not because of who I am, but simply because I'm a mason. He has great faith in my character, and asks my opinion on many aspects of his life, but he always says that he would never be friends with a mason.

My question is: "Why?"

Why, why, why?

What makes a person drop everything he knows and cherishes from his own personal experience in favour of wild unproven stories circulating on the net?

What makes an anti-mason tick?



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 08:18 AM
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The only good thing about your type of conspiracy-theories is that they got me to join.

Without all the tales of mystery Id have never joined.

You are unwittingly promoting it.



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen
It is their unified front of Misinfo.

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Once again, I beg you to demonstrate how Masons are misinforming people.



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 03:09 PM
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it now appears that our good friend freight tomsen, who was apparently banned on ATS, is now on the Freemasonry Watch forum claiming that the Three Amigos are Masons, and that his life has been threatened.

Can anyone really doubt he's a conspirator against Masons?

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posted on May, 14 2008 @ 03:43 PM
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Meh, it should come as a surprise to no one... The primary focus of his time here at ATS was the unabashed promotion of his book by keyword insertion (for Google spiders).

Let him wallow in the five post a day forum that is FW...

:shk:



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 05:23 PM
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man, i have been reading a lot of stuff around here and from what i understand, i think i have a good theory

Could it be possible man, that low level freemasons are just unaware of secrets agenda and dark sides of their fraternity, just like in a ''cult ''.


only high level freemasons, elites and powerful chosen members are. All other freemason are being misled, used and manipulated to hide the corrupted headquarter who is, accomplice with other organisation and corporations, for our world of chaos we live in, since September 11, and getting worst every day, until it will be almost apocalyptic. Then, they will use the ‘’ order into chaos ‘’ strategy. Man, could that be the new world order agenda that has been planned for world population, that we will soon be all enslaved by our dept that we owned to international bankers, and living into a martial law, police state, prison planet, brave new world, one world government.


Man, if we cannot accused all Christian for the conspiracies and atrocity of the Vatican like the inquisition etc., we cannot say that low level freemason are guilty, they could just be victims of their own corrupted fraternity on the highest level and like cult members, they defend their religious fraternity and their temples ( lodges )

Maybe man, the only thing they can be guilty of, is maybe their ignorance and honesty,
who gullibly, push them (low level and unchosen one ) to trust those high level elites, who in fact are only using them...


so if there are no reason to hate regular low level freemason, maybe we should help them instead,
and then, unify our force all together, against powerful corrupted elites to defeat their apocalyptic agenda for humanity


man, i think we should work together, instead of being, against each others...



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 05:27 PM
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And another one bites the dust, I wonder if a pro-mason has any chance of not being banned on freemason watch? It doesn't matter that he was banned, he had shot himself in the foot too many times to be taken seriously.


[edit on 14-5-2008 by lost in the midwest]



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