The very real conspiracy against Freemasonry

True. Then again if they were being investigated by the FBI, hypothetically speaking, would you or I even know?



My responce.






I disagree.

Thanks in advance,

Distracto

From the Cathechism of the Catholic Church, Section 838:



This shows conclusively that the Roman Catholic Church consideres Protestants "honored by the name of Christian".

Good debate.



I'm honored!

Have a glorious day,

Distracto

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Let the trolls be brother. Remember the old saying, don't argue with an idiot, he will only bring you to his level.

The topic: The very real conspiracy against Freemasonry.

The key word is properly. There are many different forms of baptism; sprinkling, submersion, etc. The name Christian is conferred upon CATHOLIC guidlines; which in turn conforms to Vatican ii/council of trent standards.

Furthermore, please re-read this post.

In no way can you possibly say that other denominations are accepted as Christian by catholics. Baptists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, and non-denominational Christians (among others) do not accept the authority of the pope; hence they are anathema.

Thanks in advance,

Distracto

"Properly baptized" refers to all mainstream Protestants. "Proper" concerns the Trinitarian formula (In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).

Therefore, the Roman Catholic Church do not consider Oneness Pentecostals and Jehovah's Witnesses to be Christians. They do consider Methodists and Presbyterians to be Christians.




Not only do I say it, but the official statement of the Catholic Church says it, as I quoted above.



The question of the authority of the pope does not define "Christian". The Roman Catholic Church defines "Christian" as one who has been properly baptized and confirmed (or made confession of faith). This applies to mainstream Protestants as well as Catholics and the Orthodox.

The sign of the cross is not used in Protestant faiths (In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). In fact, the rituals for baptism are completly different.



My responce.



We are not "blessed with that unity.." hence the term "seperated brethren" instead of "fellow christian."

Try again.

Thanks in advance,

Distracto

Onomatology of distracto’s name, would seem to indicate the nature of his cause.

Further, particularly in the last page of this exchange, one finds distracto apparently undertaking to impart to his readers everything he knows that is not germane to the topic at hand.

The result is a topical treatment of dogmas of faith that may initially impress the reader as imminently informed. However, by understanding the structural methodology with which he has framed his argument, he has indeed only reinforced Skyfloating’s original premise.

edit to: correct the spelling of distracto's name

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I think the real conspiracy is that the Elks and the Eagles have gaming tables and bars. Just what is up with that? How did Masonry lose out on something like this?

The plot thickens.

To clarify:




A non-catholic is "christian", but not a true christian by Catholic Standards. Hence, the division between Catholic and Christian.

Additionally, the Unitatis Redintegratio states that only the Catholic church is endowed with divine truth.


Thank you in advance,

Distracto

Yes it is. In fact, the entire procedure of the Anglicans and Lutherans is practically identical to that of the Roman Catholics (and all Anglicans and Lutherans use the sign of the cross).



No need to. You said that Catholics did not consider Protestants Christians. I demonstrated that you were in error by quoting from the Church's official Catechism. As far as I'm concerned, that's the end of it.

We have a huge billiards room and a very nice bar, it may need to be refurbished but it's there.

We can't use it though.. alcohol is the devil!

(pool tables work but I can't play pool without a glass of rum and a cigar.)

Gambling is strictly forbiden here to.. we can't even do raffles! lol no joke..

And here people think we are more evil then all the others. I agree, it's the Elks and Eagles that run the world!

And I countered successfully.

Good speaking to you,

Distracto

Additionally, considering many denominations do not recieve the blessesd sacrament of Confirmation they cannot be considered true christians (by your own words.)

Have a good day,

Distracto

What does any of this have to do with the topic? Remember:

The very real conspiracy against Freemasonry.

Bollocks. It's clear to everyone here except your good self that you have delved into (fairly petty) semantics and hairsplitting when Masonic Light clearly demonstrated the Catholic Chruch accepts Protestants as being Christian.

Get over it. Move on. Back to the topic.

After having re-read the original post and done a little reading on the Net as well, I have to admit that, as a Mason, I'm fairly proud of our fraternity when I consider the list of historical "enemies" we have faced over the years: Facists, racists, totalitarian "Communists", the Inquisition, and other violent religious fundamentalists...

I'm curious as to how the hardcore anti-Masons feel about having such bedfellows in their zealous quest...

OK, "bedfellows" is harsh. Philosophical allies perhaps?

The Secret Purpose of this thread


A second purpose, ahidden one of this thread was to provoke anti-masons to present their best evidence in countering the topic. I looked forward to intrigue and mystery. Im a bit dissapointed that there is no evidence of a masonic conspiracy other than some rehashed quotes from a hundred year old book and something about some other group and their charity funds.

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Not to mention Catholics is Evil bit..

Not sure what that had to do with ANYTHING what so ever..

I swear I don't intend to sound arrogant or mean in any way what so ever when I say this. When you look at an Antimasonic post.. and compare it to a Masonic post.. I think it is clear to see that there is a .... difference which, imo, makes up the biggest divide between those who fear Masonry, and those who partake in it or do not fear it.

I don't want to say it's an intelligence factor, because .. it might not be. However the difference clearly has a level to do with understanding and creates it's own thought process which is shrewd to say the least..

The other clearly noticeable difference is.. that the antimasons do NOT intend to ever change their way of thinking. They are set in their ways, they are consumed with hate, and never intend to "change" or accept reality.

It's terribly sad being on the inside and reading the absurdness that some people go to great lengths to believe in. Especially when you know they are lies.

Some have an agenda. A blatant agenda.. like Spirit7/stompk/straightenarrow/what ever he goes by now. OR Chadandrew/hippo/freight.

Or maybe they are all the same I don't know. Odd that those with a set agenda make different names to compliment themselves to further their own agenda.

If that is not evidence of a conspiracy against Masonry, what is?

Oh Lord! I have a reputation! Okay ... that's fine and good.


It's really amazing how fast a subject can go from Freemasonry to highly inaccurate posts about the Catholic faith. That being said - YES I think it is very possible that there is a conspiracy against Freemasonry. I also think that there could be a consipracy within the higher ranks of Freemasonry against the Catholic faith. The thing is that we are dealing with a somewhat secret society - Freemasonry, and a corporation - The Catholic Church. Neither one is going to let it's corporate/secret society secrets out to the general public. - IMHO


Acceptance of papal authority has nothing to do with the catholic church recognizing someone as 'christian'.


WRONG (again). The Catholic Church says that the Catholic Church is the only one with the FULLNESS of divine truth. It says that all religions have some elements of divine truth.

This is not unlike all the other faiths - everyone thinks they are the one to get it all right and that others are lacking in some area or other.

Distracto - all your statements about the Catholic faith show a severe lack of understanding of it. I highly suggest that you read the Catechism.