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The very real conspiracy against Freemasonry

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posted on May, 2 2008 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by scientist


Now.. someone do my avatar!


The figure is wearing a hat in order to show that you are either a Worshipful Master or Past Master, i.e., a high level Mason who, by definition, worships Satan, supports terrorism, and are probably a Bilderberg.

The figure smokes a pipe, symbolic of hashish. The Hashishim, also known as the Assasins, were a mystical Islamic order that probably were responsible for teaching Sufi doctrines to the Templars.

Your avatar is evil, man, really evil.

Now do mine!


Y'all are cracking me up! It really is ridiculous how willing people are to read sinister symbolism into ANYTHING. For those who need so much clarification: I'm not saying there is never anything sinister out there...but i don't think it's in Scientist's avatar




posted on May, 2 2008 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen

Originally posted by sc2099
And here is the real conspiracy: a shameless plug. LOL if this doesn't discredit you in the eyes of nonidiots...well then I guess they are idiots.


Mason/agents being paid to monitor internet message boards is shameless. Spending years researching, compiling/writing a book to expose you then promoting it for free online... how is that shameless?


It's shameless because your agenda is furthering your internet fame among similarly minded individuals by slandering others. Posting egregious quotes from it isn't so much shameless as it is boring for the thread reader.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by sc2099
Y'all are cracking me up! It really is ridiculous how willing people are to read sinister symbolism into ANYTHING. For those who need so much clarification: I'm not saying there is never anything sinister out there...but i don't think it's in Scientist's avatar
Actually, sc2099, I find the giant flashing "fnord" in your avatar particularly disturbing.

What's that? Others can't see it?

If you can't see the fnords, the fnords won't eat you.
The Illuminatus! Trilogy by Robert Shea & Robert Anton Wilson



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu


Like I said, I won't tell them they have to change. Just that if they are going to run things, I want the chance to be there.


So you want to be a member of every organization on earth with members who hold prominent posts in society? The Screen Actors Guild (even though you're not affiliated with the film industry in any way)? The Chamber of Commerce (even though you don't own a business)? The Junior Womens' Club? Oh you said you don't have much interest in the discourse of women. The fact is that you don't have a right to belong to these organizations no matter how important their members are because your life is in no way affiliated with them. Just because someone is a Mayor or a Governor does not give the public he serves the right to eavesdrop on every single instance he is in a room with anyone in addition to him or herself.






Oh. And I'd also put spooks on a high traffic web forum to run defense against those that did their research. It's fun and exciting.


Haha well if the people who are masons on this site are specifically supposed to be running defense for Freemasonry at large they're not doing a very good job, as there are about eleventy billion threads describing Masons as everything from baby eaters to puppy kickers.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 01:07 PM
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reply to post by freight tomsen
 


So freight tomsen...I already flipped through your e-book earlier, in connection with your atlantis threads (You really do try to string every event together into one grand conspiracy-theory, dont you?)

What are your comments to the acts of fraud commited by aforementioned anti-masons?

Do you discern between serious conspiracy-researchers and frauds?

Doing so will increase interest in your books.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
But some, such as those who, out of the blue, assert that I spend my pasttime with cannabilism of babies and want me killed...are, uh...psychotic in my opinion. Yes.

Yes. And thats why I am posting "the other side of the story", presenting cases of libel, slander, fraud and genocide conducted by anti-masons.

And you know what? This SIDE of things is truly underpublished. Everyone...even non-conspiracy-theorists get wide eyes when you say "Freemason". "Isnt that the evil organization that rules the world?"


I totaly respect your efforts and i am very willing to look into the subjct from the perspective you present.

Peace



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu
generated by the spirit entity, I am highly distrustful. It is prejudiced.

As for "other avenues..." I understand that there are a great many, and I have explored a number. But the fact that I can't join ONLY because I hold this form in the material realm makes me... Well... Disgusted, I guess.

And, as I said, distrustful.



Why? I'm a man, so I cannot join the Junior League or the Red Hat Society or the Girl Scouts.

Do I distrust them or think they're disgusting? Of course not.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu


Wow. Almost makes it seem that you are fifth degree... LOL! No offense meant, but to catapult 28 degrees in one day..?


In the United States, Scottish Rite degrees are generally given at Reunions, one right after the other, beginning at the 4th degree, and going up to the 32nd.

Depending on the individual Temple, they can do this in one day, or span it out over the course of a few weekends.

That's why we always find it humorous when these people start talking about all these "evil high degree Masons". Most of us *are* high degree, and even those who aren't could be if they wanted.


It either means you were seen as somehow "special," or there is not much meaning of the levels between 4 and 32. I'm just thinking.


There is a lot of meaning. It's just not realistic to think that all these folks these days can spend all their time going to Lodge every night getting different degrees, rehearsing for rituals, etc. What we do is pass them through all the degrees, and then let them study them on their own.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck


Essentially aside from a few required degrees, you do them in the order they become available. We use a system called a "passport" to log our degrees, in any order. The degrees are very long sometimes and complex, only 7ish or so are done in a reunion.


Just a note: that is forbidden here in the Southern Jurisdiction. They must be received in the proper order, but only five degrees are mandatory. The others are optional, and may be communicated without ritual.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Do you discern between serious conspiracy-researchers and frauds?

Doing so will increase interest in your books.


Of course I do, we all do whenever we read anything. I think my book shows good discernment quoting the likes of Alex Jones, Jim Marrs, and Paul Watson and not quoting frauds like Stewert Swerdlow or Zecharia Sitchin, for instance. I quote David Icke about bloodlines and secret societies of which he is knowledgable, but I refute Icke regarding his interpretation of serpent/reptilian aliens and symbology. The best test is your own discernment, and based on the incredibly negative reaction I'm receiving from all the ATS Masons, I'd say I've hit pretty close to the mark. Otherwise you have nothing to fear, and I'm just another crazy/paranoid conspiracy theorist.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by bushidomason

Haha did you just say "the mist" was real???
That was a horrible movie, with a terrible ending.


Actually, it was based on a novella by Stephen King. The story line was the same, but the written story had a completely different (and at least little happier) ending.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen

Of course I do, we all do whenever we read anything. I think my book shows good discernment quoting the likes of Alex Jones, Jim Marrs, and Paul Watson and not quoting frauds like Stewert Swerdlow or Zecharia Sitchin, for instance. I quote David Icke about bloodlines and secret societies of which he is knowledgable, but I refute Icke regarding his interpretation of serpent/reptilian aliens and symbology.


Well, thats honourable authorship then. Good for you.

Steward Swerdlow
The guy who wrote the Montauk books, right? I read them too.

A highly entertaining read, despite the obvious fraud.



The best test is your own discernment, and based on the incredibly negative reaction I'm receiving from all the ATS Masons, I'd say I've hit pretty close to the mark. Otherwise you have nothing to fear, and I'm just another crazy/paranoid conspiracy theorist.


Well...what reactions do you expect? They are members of lodges and know nothing of all the evils asserted.

You guys will have to re-vise your conspiracy theory to something like this:

"Freemasons themselves are benevolent. It is the Illuminati who recruit from freemasonry because they find able men there, men of good reputation...to subvert them for their devilish purposes".

In other words, writing something that cant be refuted so damn easily.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

You guys will have to re-vise your conspiracy theory to something like this:

"Freemasons themselves are benevolent. It is the Illuminati who recruit from freemasonry because they find able men there, men of good reputation...to subvert them for their devilish purposes".

In other words, writing something that cant be refuted so damn easily.



I don't need to re-vise my conspiracy knowledge (not theory) to something like that, because I've already stated that it is just like you said. Most Masons are benevolent and that is how the higher-level malevolent ones maintain the facade.

Masons rise in degrees through a process of rituals and initiations. They read books like Machiavelli’s “The Prince” and Albert Pike’s “Morals and Dogma” then write essays detailing whether they agree philosophically with people like Pike, Hegel, Machiavelli and others. These essays are then sent in to the Headquarters of International Freemasonry and reviewed by top-level Masons. If the initiate agrees that the few should control the many, and that secret society rule is virtuous, etc. then he is congratulated and promoted through higher degrees. If the initiate disagrees that the few should control the many, and holds a genuinely moral position, then he is congratulated and promoted within his existing branch, never to rise above the Blue degrees. Every Mason will disagree with this however, because most Blue Lodge Masons genuinely do not know, and high-ranking Masons are sworn to secrecy.


"The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Parts of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them, but it is intended that he shall imagine that he understands them. Their true implication is reserved for Adepts, the Princes of Masonry.” –Albert Pike (Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council of the 33rd degree and Supreme Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry) “Morals and Dogma”



"Freemasonry is a fraternity within a fraternity - an outer organization concealing an inner brotherhood of the elect. ... It is necessary to establish the existence of these two separate yet interdependent orders, the one visible and the other invisible. The visible society is a splendid camaraderie of 'free and accepted' men enjoined to devote themselves to ethical, educational, fraternal, patriotic, and humanitarian concerns. The invisible society is a secret and most august fraternity whose members are dedicated to the service of a mysterious Arcanum arcandrum [a sacred secret]. Those brethren who have essayed to write the history of their craft have not included in their disquisitions [a formal discourse or treatise] the story of that truly secret inner society which is to the body Freemasonic what the heart is to the body human. In each generation only a few are accepted into the inner sanctuary of the work ... the great initiate-philosophers of Freemasonry are ... masters of that secret doctrine which forms the invisible foundation of every great theological and rational institution." -33rd Degree Mason Manly P. Hall, “Lectures on Ancient Philosophy


The process from a 1st to 33rd degree Freemason may take 10, 20, 30 or more years but is not based on time. The way initiates rise degrees is through invitation by members of a higher degree. This is the nature of all secret societies; the only way to get ahead is by appeasing those ahead of you. It is through this boot-licking pyramid structure that the few bloodline elite at the top control the many at the bottom. Then by issuing lords, knights, and vassals of various degrees along the way to do their bidding, the royals essentially control all facets of this world-wide Brotherhood.


“The invitation-only thirty-third degree … is the highest publicly known degree. The vast majority of members look upon their affiliation with Freemasonry as little different from joining the Lion's Club, the Optimists, or the chamber of commerce. And from their standpoint, this is true. Even Masonic literature makes clear that only those initiates who progress beyond thirty-third-degree status are educated in the group's true goals and secrets. This hierarchy is readily admitted by Masonic authors. ‘There has always existed an external, elementary, popular doctrine which has served for the instruction of the masses who are insufficiently prepared for deeper teaching,’ wrote Mason Wilmshurst. ‘There has been an interior, advanced doctrine, a more secret knowledge, which has been reserved for riper minds and into which only proficient and properly prepared candidates, who voluntarily sought to participate in it, were initiated.’” -Jim Marrs, “Rule by Secrecy” (247-8)



[edit on 2-5-2008 by freight tomsen]



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 01:57 PM
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Looks like we're going in circles again. Here's an idea, how about doing a debate on this in the Debate Forum? A structured debate that is judged?

Anyone up for that?



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen

I don't need to re-vise my conspiracy knowledge (not theory) to something like that, because I've already stated that it is just like you said. Most Masons are benevolent and that is how the higher-level malevolent ones maintain the facade.


Actually, you need to revise a lot. The T&C prohibit lying, such as:


Masons rise in degrees through a process of rituals and initiations. They read books like Machiavelli’s “The Prince” and Albert Pike’s “Morals and Dogma” then write essays detailing whether they agree philosophically with people like Pike, Hegel, Machiavelli and others.


That is complete nonsense, and I'm pretty sure you know it. I read Machiavelli's "The Prince" in college, but I can state with a large amount of certainty that most Masons have never even heard of it, much less read and wrote a paper on it.

Ditto for "Morals and Dogma". It used to be given as a gift to new members of the Scottish Rite. Of these, probably one out of a hundred actually read it. None of them were required to write any papers on it, and the Scottish Rite stopped giving it out in the 1960's.


These essays are then sent in to the Headquarters of International Freemasonry and reviewed by top-level Masons.


And just where exactly is this "Headquarters of International Freemasonry", where our top brass sit around all day grading papers?



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid


Anyone up for that?


I'll throw my hat in.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid
Looks like we're going in circles again. Here's an idea, how about doing a debate on this in the Debate Forum? A structured debate that is judged?

Anyone up for that?


Sounds a capital idea, Intrepid. Trouble with a debate coming from these quarters I would think would be judging the debate on facts. Anti-Masons can introduce all sorts of assertions and such and Masons can counter up to a point but have to stop short in certain matters.

Or is this a judgement on style, execution and delivery as opposed to actual content?


Might be just the ticket.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Or is this a judgement on style, execution and delivery as opposed to actual content?


All of the above.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 02:15 PM
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The Debate option is a good one. Under the scrutiny of a panel of neutral judges it is easily defined what is true and what is not.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Or is this a judgement on style, execution and delivery as opposed to actual content?


All of the above.


Then I hereby officially and unconditionally challenge freight tomsen to a head-to-head debate.

Are you game, freight?



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