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Feds: We will search through your laptop files at the border

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posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 11:20 PM
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Feds: We will search through your laptop files at the border


tech.yahoo.com

Following in the wake of February's news that customs agents were seizing electronics and making copies of all the files on cell phones and laptop hard drives, a federal appeals court has ruled on the legality of such searches. The result: Yeah, customs can do whatever it wants to your computer when you come across the border, without a warrant, and without cause.

The ruling extends to all electronics: In addition to laptops, feds can seize phone records and even digital pictures on your camera as they hunt for evidence. The ruling was unanimous among the three appellate judges.

Be assured that the ruling has little to do with thwarting terrorism. The appeal was actually part of an ongoing trial of a man named Michael Arnold, who returned from the Philippines and had his laptop scoured by the feds. They found purported images of child pornography on the laptop and later arrested him. In his trial, the evidence was suppressed for probable cause issues, as the court said that customs had no reasonable suspicion to search his laptop in the first place. That ruling has now been overturned.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 11:20 PM
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Federal agents love to please their masters. Most of them are trained to kill you if they are ordered to do so. Yet, they aren't trained to care whether or not you're innocent or whether they were hired to enforce the laws written in the bill of rights & constitution or the New World Order.

The Nazis/Zionists won WWII. They're working for the world government, not us. They search peoples' files without permission, on a daily basis. They manage Microsoft, IBM, Google, Dell, and other data-collecting agencies, but they don't seem to want us to know very much about any of their businesses.

Since they don't serve the public, we shouldn't serve them

tech.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 29-4-2008 by ChadAndrewATS]



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 11:25 PM
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Welcome to the fascist Police State, where your rights to illegal search and seizure have now waved bye-bye, compliments of the totally corrupted SCOTUS. It just get better by the day. Seig Heil!

S & F...



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 11:31 PM
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reply to post by DimensionalDetective
 

I know what you mean about those Nazis. They're wicked & insane. They're committing war-crimes, on a daily basis, and treating the public like terrorists.

They're terrorists. We're their prey.

[edit on 29-4-2008 by ChadAndrewATS]



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 11:43 PM
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C'mon, you guys give them way too much credit. The notion of a big and scary U.S government that is all powerfull lends them an air of invulnerability that isn't in fact present. What you are seeing is their panic that they can't stop the tide of radicalization in the American-Muslim population. Searching laptops is a desperate measure, and will likely be highly innefective for terror related purposes; if the process is random.
On the other hand with selective screening techniques that have been developed over the last few years in combination with laptop searches might actually stop a terrorist attack.

I understand the animosity towards the American government over Iraq and some of their other mishandled aspects in the war on terror. But one must realize that they are just trying to protect us, and that the threat of terrorism and Radical Islam are much more dangerous to the average American than even the Republicans. Look at Britain if you want to see exactly where we don't wanna be in 20 years in terms of radicalization. I'm not trying to butt heads with an Admin. or anything,
but I've seen some pretty extreme things in my life that have persuaded me to view the American gov't as the lesser of two evils.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 12:09 AM
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Might as well forget everything you ever knew about privacy. It's been enjoyed to a great extent by mankind for all of time. Unfortunately those days seem destined to fade into our past. More and more, we are given no choice but to live out our lives in glass houses, until our last bastions of privacy will be our own thoughts.

When those days arrive, will we still have the courage to put those thoughts into words or will we be afraid for our very lives?



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 12:41 AM
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only at the border you say bull hooey -try typing in c.i.a -Kennedy assassination here on above top secret if your using Norton sorry about your luck as you will never see what happens to your computer i personally use kapersky as a virus and all protection on my computer guess what pops up on kapersky a little screen that says you are being hacked by the c.i.a. it asks allow or deny which do you choose to do .BIG BROTHER has his eyes nose and ears in everyones business-p.s. dump Norton if you know what is good for you it`s a back door into your systems people. have a good day now.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 12:41 AM
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i would like to see how this works in practice


i have just returned to the UK from a holiday in europe - and i was initially quite nervous about having my laptop stolen - but they are everywhere - i would estimate that on my final flight - amsterdam to manchester - at least 20 out of 90+ passengers had laptops in thier hand baggage -

it was fairly easy to count as - the boarding gate security make you remove it from the bag - and scann it seperatly - and use an explosive sniffer

so exactly how is the US with millions of passengers / week going to even collect the files - never mind analyse them ???????????



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 12:47 AM
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one beautiful thing about kapersky is that it also gives you their i.p. address-i wonder if b b is paying attention must be a little paranoid.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 01:05 AM
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I know what you mean. For years, wicked federal-agents have been funding & working along with their Nazi-associates at Microsoft, Google, Apple, and Dell to make popular electronic-devices & clothes with RFID-chips built- & inserted in them: Shirts, Pants, Cameras, HP Printers, Cell-Phones, PC's, and ect.




[edit on 30-4-2008 by ChadAndrewATS]



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 01:19 AM
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Oh, well i would love to see the face of the custom officer when he opens my laptop and realizes that its a custom OS Booting with unix and linux, both have enterprize protection not found on avarage person laptop. Its basicly unbreakable, unless i provide a code. Both linux and unix are modified, and i could bet 5000$, they could not open it even if the whole goverment would try. Encrypted, and if you force it open the data is unusable.

Now you might ask what is so important in my laptop that it has this security level that most banks dont have. Actually there is nothing else there, but my work files, some personal e-mails etc.. Nothing that would not stand the daylight. Its just that i like to keep my stuff private. I would say the officer, this is a laptop that is owned by company in other country, and im employee there. I dont have the codes to open this, since i dont have permission to access it.

The fact is i would never provide the code no matter what, cause it insults me. Or i would simply say i forgot the code. Hehe heh, and im not citizen of USA (thank god), so basicly they could only deny me from entering USA.

People there are so stupid they prolly would think i have a nuclear device in my laptop HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

What strikes me is that, dont people in usa understand, that if there would be real terrorists, they would attack usa monthly and not only when its plausible for the goverment. People there are utterly idiotic, thank god there are few smart ones there that see what is coming. Honestly i could not careless what happens there, but its big country and it affects the whole globe.

I would rather die that server elites, thats a fact. If my country would go to war, i would be shot. Its because i would refuse to shed blood in the name of the banking elite. This world has gone mad, what a sad thing...

People are ignorant. I bet 1 million dollars (witch i dont have) that, without the men behind the curtain WE ALL WOULD LIVE IN PEACE!

Truly sad, sometimes i have trouble sleeping at night. In the morning i always tell my self not to visit ATS or any conspiracy sites cause i get depressed daily. The fact is still, truth might hurt you, but its better to know whats coming than deny it all.

Oh lord...



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 08:26 PM
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I understand you. Americans are not fools. We know a lot, and we enjoy learning more. Anyway, I see what you mean about your software & computer. Do you think it would be secure enough to protect your laptop-files from being stolen if this device (mentioned below) was inserted in it (?):

Microsoft device helps police pluck evidence from cyberscene of crime

Microsoft has developed a small plug-in device that investigators can use to quickly extract forensic data from computers that may have been used in crimes.

The COFEE, which stands for Computer Online Forensic Evidence Extractor, is a USB "thumb drive" that was quietly distributed to a handful of law-enforcement agencies last June. Microsoft General Counsel Brad Smith described its use to the 350 law-enforcement experts attending a company conference Monday.

The device contains 150 commands that can dramatically cut the time it takes to gather digital evidence, which is becoming more important in real-world crime, as well as cybercrime. It can decrypt passwords and analyze a computer's Internet activity, as well as data stored in the computer.

It also eliminates the need to seize a computer itself, which typically involves disconnecting from a network, turning off the power and potentially losing data. Instead, the investigator can scan for evidence on site.

More than 2,000 officers in 15 countries, including Poland, the Philippines, Germany, New Zealand and the United States, are using the device, which Microsoft provides free.

"These are things that we invest substantial resources in, but not from the perspective of selling to make money," Smith said in an interview. "We're doing this to help ensure that the Internet stays safe."



People there are utterly idiotic, thank god there are few smart ones there that see what is coming.


You shouldn't insult any nation. There are more than a few smart people in this country. There is a very long list of important things discovered/invented in America (see sample list below):

1. Constitution
2. Automobile
3. Plane
4. Telephone
5. Radio
6. Television
7. Computer
8. Internet

(and the list goes on...).

[edit on 1-5-2008 by ChadAndrewATS]



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 08:55 PM
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Interesting list, and I agree many things were invented in the US - but some of those on your list were not. Patented in the US perhaps....

J.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 02:25 AM
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I would like to see how it works in practice too. Those fiat-federal agents/Nazis probably use that device I mentioned in my previous online-forum-post on this page.

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I see what you mean. I appreciate your help. I'll try to learn more about the inventors of those devices/tools.

[edit on 1-5-2008 by ChadAndrewATS]



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 02:35 AM
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This is getting ridiculous. Soon cavity searches will be the norm. (HEAVEN FORBID!)



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 02:39 AM
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I guess when I leave the country this year i will not be bringing my computer with me. Customs dont need to be searching peoples computers. what a waste of our money.

I was recently at an airport and gum set off the alarm. i got searched. the guy was rubbing his hand everywhere and that damn wand. that made me mad. I dont even look like a terrorist.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 02:42 AM
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Why wouldn't you bring your laptop? I'd bring mine, and the only reason I can think of why you wouldn't want to bring it would be that you have something you wish to hide. I'm real interested in you, you know that?



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 02:48 AM
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They love invading peoples' privacy whether it involves stripping off their clothes to see what they're "hiding" or stripping away their cilvil liberties.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 02:52 AM
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Actually....

The scots invented the T.V., although I've also heard a Canadian invented it, and a Russian invented it, etc...
wiki.answers.com...


The Telephone was invented by Alexander Graham Bell, an Englishman.
www.cbc.ca...


The inventor of the radio has several contributors from Canada, Italy, Germany, America, etc
www.buzzle.com...


Theres no use trying to find the inventor of the computer, you'll get 20 different people claiming to be the creators.


The internet was created by America, but the world wide web was created by CERN in switzerland, so without them the internet would still be confined to the American military and we wouldn't be exposed to an endless source of information
www.hitmill.com...


Please do research before assuming America is the creator of all things civilized.



Edited for spelling

[edit on 1-5-2008 by voodoomaster2008]


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[edit on 1/5/2008 by khunmoon]



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by anti us gov I dont even look like a terrorist.


what does a terrorist look like then ?

or maybe what does a terrorist NOT look like - as you do not look like one - or so you claim

if it would help - i can quickly post images of :

negro / black african terorists - the anc [ circa 1960s to 80s ]

caucasian terrorists - the IRA [ circa 20th century ]

japanese terrorists - the japanese red army , and AUM SHINRIKYO

more caucasian nerrorists - the german barder meinhof gang

hispanic terrorists - mexican MS13 gangs

more caucasians - elements of the chechen rebel movement in russia

arabic terrorists - the PLO [ among others ]

indian terrorists - the tamil tigers

need i go on ????????????????



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