That's It!!! This Anti-Obama Propaganda Has Got To Stop, page 3

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reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:15 PM by bigbert81

reply to post by zorgon

Black muslim?

Wow, I'm shocked to see YOU Zorgon have your facts wrong. /sarcasm

And yes, I think it's pretty obvious the next president WILL be a democrat.

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:17 PM by _Del_

In an effort to find common ground. I've dissected your Original Post point by point.

Barack Obama has good oratory skills, just like Hitler. -- BS

Barack Obama has been uniting people, is he the antichrist? -- BS

Barack Obama's middle name is Hussein...Like Saddam's last name. -- BS

Barack Obama is muslim. -- BS even if it was true

Barack Obama's former preacher is saying things I disagree with. -- Concerning inlight of the fact he has been a "Mentor" for 20+ years.

Barack Obama's supporters are glossy-eyed and zombie-like. -- BS as far as it goes.

Barack Obama's supporters are like a cult. -- BS as far as it goes

Barack Obama preaches 'Change', yet people can't name anything he'd be changing. -- Fairly true.

People are voting for Barack Obama because he's black. -- BS with rare exception

Barack Obama's wife said 'For once in my adult life, I'm proud of my country'. -- Concerning.

Barack Obama hasn't been wearing a lapel pin. -- BS

Barack Obama is too inexperienced. -- Concerning

Barack Obama grew up overseas. -- BS

Barack Obama doesn't put his hand over his heart. -- Concerning

Barack Obama said 'Cling to guns and religion'. -- shows remarkable lack of forethought.

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:17 PM by bigbert81

reply to post by pavil

Uh-huh.

Half and half. I hope you can back that up with some examples, because I've been paying a lot of attention, and I don't see this AT ALL. Not even close.

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:18 PM by bigbert81

reply to post by ImJaded

Thank you IMJaded, I appreciate that, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who can see how much pull the media has had in this joke *cough* election.

It's like watching FOX News listening to some of these people.

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:19 PM by zorgon

Originally posted by bigbert81

As I've already stated, even though I don't like to concede to the whole 'Change' slogan, he truly does stand for FAR more change than his competitors.

Just what change does he stand for? I am finding that difficult to get clear... perhaps you could give some concrete examples?

Thanks

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:20 PM by bigbert81

reply to post by Alxandro

That is actually a good point you bring up, and I think you're absolutely right. Things are going to get bad.

And I would be extremely cracked if Obama didn't win. Extremely.

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:22 PM by bigbert81

reply to post by easynow

No, that's not how it works.

You don't come on here with some BS opinion report without backing it up.

That's how the forum works.

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:24 PM by bigbert81

reply to post by dawnstar

Would you disown a friend of yours for 20 years for him saying G-d da-n America?

C'mon and think about that.

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:28 PM by _Del_

reply to post by bigbert81

He's not really having a problem throwing him under the bus now that he's getting attention, is he?

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:31 PM by bigbert81

reply to post by galatea

Cool, thanks for the post and insight.

It's appreciated.

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:34 PM by bigbert81

reply to post by zorgon

If you check the legislatures passed by Obama vs. Hillary, you should see a VAST difference in not only the bills passed, but the statures of them as well.

I've already stated how McCain is the most like Bush (95% actual statistic).

Unfortunately, I can't post a link, because this information came from some physical reading materials, and not the internet.

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:34 PM by cpdaman

they are all corrupt, but i guess it is depressing to admit we get to choose between 3 degenerates who share one thing in common. elite liars

yes yes it's my civic duty to waste my time and vote for one of 3 degenerates, and if you happen to pick one in a year the election is rigged for someone else (oh well) better.

but people will vote based on tax breaks

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:41 PM by semperfortis

Just a quick question here...

Going over some of the ATS profiles of Obama supporters. and referencing their threads, has revealed numerous threads bashing Hillary and President Bush...

Now you want everyone to STOP bashing Obama...

HUH?????

So it's OK for you to bash someone you don't agree with, but for others to bash your candidate should be off limits???

Just how does that work?

Semper

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:43 PM by pavil

Originally posted by bigbert81
reply to post by pavil

Uh-huh.

Half and half. I hope you can back that up with some examples, because I've been paying a lot of attention, and I don't see this AT ALL. Not even close.

Didn't you just say half the things weren't even true? You yourself gave the examples. The whole Wright thing smacks of Obama not being truthful and forthcoming about not knowing about the things/theology that Wright preaches. Either he knew or he wasn't very religious/chuchgoing. Either way is a no win situation for him. Like I said, just wait till the Fall. The fireworks haven't even started. As other have said, Obama has plently of skeletons in his closet. They will all be dragged out. After all, like Wright said, Obama is a politician, right?

As Ricky would say, "He's got some 'splaining to do".

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:44 PM by bigbert81

Originally posted by _Del_
In an effort to find common ground. I've dissected your Original Post point by point.

Barack Obama has good oratory skills, just like Hitler. -- BS

Barack Obama has been uniting people, is he the antichrist? -- BS

Barack Obama's middle name is Hussein...Like Saddam's last name. -- BS

Barack Obama is muslim. -- BS even if it was true

Barack Obama's former preacher is saying things I disagree with. -- Concerning inlight of the fact he has been a "Mentor" for 20+ years.

Barack Obama's supporters are glossy-eyed and zombie-like. -- BS as far as it goes.

Barack Obama's supporters are like a cult. -- BS as far as it goes

Barack Obama preaches 'Change', yet people can't name anything he'd be changing. -- Fairly true.

People are voting for Barack Obama because he's black. -- BS with rare exception

Barack Obama's wife said 'For once in my adult life, I'm proud of my country'. -- Concerning.

Barack Obama hasn't been wearing a lapel pin. -- BS

Barack Obama is too inexperienced. -- Concerning

Barack Obama grew up overseas. -- BS

Barack Obama doesn't put his hand over his heart. -- Concerning

Barack Obama said 'Cling to guns and religion'. -- shows remarkable lack of forethought.

Ok, fair enough, it's good to see that you CAN weed out much of the bull going on. So, what's left?

The preacher thing is nothing more than 'Guilty by Association', something that is wrong and unjust.

The change thing I've just addressed in my last post above this one.

The color thing, I agree with you.

The wife comment, I think, has been blown way out of proportion and looked at much too critically than it should be. It's a simple, commonly used phrase that she didn't think about when she said. Even if it was true, big deal. All it means it that she's unhappy with the country, and I can't blame her too much.

The inexperienced thing I've gone over so much. You can't say 'experience is good, so the more the better' without looking at what that experience is. Plus, you need to consider the differences, and whether you think it's worth sacrificing a few years for a much more honest character. Are you happy with how the country has gone with all these 'experienced' people, even though Obama has much more legislative experience than Hillary, plus more time in the Senate?

Hand over the heart. Is that really an issue compared to what he's going up against? Really? What are you afraid the consequences of someone not doing this might be in the White House?

The 'Clinging' thing, I agree was stupid, but to call it and judge it so harshly, to me, doesn't sound like you're considering his opponents again.

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:49 PM by bigbert81

reply to post by semperfortis

Fair enough, Semper, I can see your point, however...

I'm not trying to say it's not ok to bash Obama, I'm just trying to point out in this thread that the stuff being said about Obama pales in comparison to his opponents wrong-doings, and I'm trying to figure out why what someone's former preacher says is worth more than blatant, consistent lying.

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:50 PM by Sestias

reply to post by bigbert81

I'm a longtime Obama supporter, as you know from my previous posts and threads, and I will vote for him on Tuesday in the NC primaries.

It's true that the only friends and supporters of Obama that anyone wants to talk about are the controversial ones. I'm an educator and I have many controversial friends and associates myself. I would hate for anyone to assume that my views are the same as theirs, when in fact we often diverge in important ways. But the friendships and mutual respect are there, regardless of disagreements. I assume that Obama, coming from a strong academic background, has the same sort of mutual respect even for his adversaries that is a sign of a well educated person.

That said, I have to acknowledge that Rev. Wright has floored me. It seems almost as if he thinks Obama isn't black enough and at least unconsciously wants him to lose. I would think that he could curb his inflammatory rhetoric at least until the election is over, just out of friendship for his protege. I hate to say it, but it would be political suicide for Obama to keep defending him at this point, and he seems to know it. Obama may have to distance himself from several of his colleagues, as "political" as that is, in order to have a fair chance at the presidency.

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:52 PM by bigbert81

reply to post by pavil

And as I've stated earlier, if you watch ANYONE else talk about this church, they ALL say the same things as Obama in regards to THIS Rev. Wright not being the same Rev. Wright they've gotten to see and know through the church, so accusing him of lying when other's seem to say the same thing is just blind.

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:54 PM by _Del_

I've already stated I'm not enthused about his opponents either. You can't dismiss valid concerns about his abilities by saying "Well, they are liars too." It's ludicrous.
You are judged by the company you keep. Especially in the absence of any other defining attributes. In his attempt to be everyman he has become no man. So the only way left to access his character is by looking at who he associates with. Wright isn't the only questionable character -- he's just the most vocal. Several of his associates have views that would be considered extreme. Until recently he has done little to distance himself from these people, which leads one to believe that he is at best sympathetic to them or at worst they reveal where his true thoughts rest.
When you add that his only comments on national security issues are labeled as "dangerous" by members of his own party -- I don't think he is a good candidate. I think he will be shredded by the GOP when he wins the nomination. If you think people are being hard on him now, wait until the other party gets involved with the mudslinging.

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 10:54 PM by Novise

Since 99% of America does not have the attention span to hear the whole Pastor's sermon. I'll just say that he is spot on with what he was saying. Violence begets violence, evil begets evil. And that's exactly where we are today. That we are willing to send hundreds of thousands of troops to occupy and imperialize with other countries. Maybe, just maybe dozens or so of their population are so angry at us, they are willing to suicide attack us.

If they were sending so many to occupy us, many of us might just as well attack them in the same fashion. I imagine Americans would give up more than any other country if faced with such a desperate situation. So it's time to stop making fun of the "suicide bombers" based on the fact that they instantly die for what they believe in, and ask ourselves what we are willing to die for. Because I think we would be out there just the same, if it was our way of life so under attack.