What are the Masonic Secrets?

Originally posted by cutbothways


So, either your response in an outright attempt to throw us off the track, or you are a little less "illuminated" than you thought.

To be honest, I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Nothing you quoted or posted had anything to do with what I wrote.

Before 2001, one had to be either a 32° member of the Scottish Rite or a Knight Templar in the York Rite in order to become a Shriner. After 2001, this was changed to allow Master Masons (Third Degree).

There was never a requirement that one had to be a 33° in order to become a Shriner. This can be confirmed in the Imperial Council of the Shrine's original Constitution.

FDR was never a 33° Scottish Rite Mason.

[edit on 2-5-2008 by Masonic Light]

Oh ok, so David Icke, his source, and me are unreliable. The site Cutsbothways provided is "anti-mason" and unreliable. And because you say so, all this information is false/fabricated. It's twilight in the delphi zone.

Originally posted by freight tomsen
Oh ok, so David Icke, his source, and me are unreliable. The site Cutsbothways provided is "anti-mason" and unreliable. And because you say so, all this information is false/fabricated. It's twilight in the delphi zone.

Icke has no official Masonic documents as sources. He doesn't even have unofficial ones. The only thing he has are other conspiracy theorists who apparently just assume that FDR was 33°, but there's no real reason for them to make that assumption.

15 Presidents of the United States have been Freemasons (not "the majority", as you wrote in another post). Of these fifteen, two of them have been 33° members of the Scottish Rite: Harry S. Truman, who received his 33° in the Southern Jurisdiction, and Gerald R. Ford, who received his 33° in the Northern Jurisdiction.

The Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, recognized Ford's Northern 33°, and awarded him the Grand Cross of the Court of Honour.

reply to post by bushidomason


Oh I know, its an intricately silly serious conspiracy. And on purpose. Not that it doesn't exist, I believe it does; the secret society known as the illuminatti has not a name, and perhaps perpetuated the name Illuminatti to get people confused about enlightenment, also using the guise of freemasonry since it is a very respectable organization.

Its like, people think these guys are doing esoteric occult rituals to steal the good loving energy from our souls, or something to do with the afterlife, and yet most of the NWO CT's think the entire occult is evil, thus leaving the NWO with little or no competition. (if you're not spiritual, this conspiracy is only about half as complicated and perhaps ridiculous when the scaly reps. come into the picture) (that is unless you have seen a rep in real life)

If there are evil witches out there,(and there is) its not the bystanders and CT's that can/will combat them, its the good witches. (and those ignorant to the whole CT who praise the ONE TRUE god no matter what religion, it is also their collective faith/energy that aides the good witch/shaman when drawing upon such energies in ceremony to banish evil.)

If you think all of the occult is evil, then you've obviously fallen victim to the "Illuminatti", who burned books and made the occult seem evil so they would have little to no competition when the time was ripe for their plan of global control.

Fortunately, it has been backfiring on them; there is a massive white magic, lightworker/wayshower movement going on, granted a lot of beginners and pretenders, are lost and found along the "new age" way, the point is, the "illuminatti's" best enemy outnumbers them greatly. This is why their presence is known these days, they have lost so much power, that now they are taking more and more obviously drastic measures. It is about the soul, they know people are beginning to realize this, so their grasp on the physical end of things is tightening up, like a bully who gets out the gun when he's been beaten physically and intellectually.

If there is info about rape and child blood letting and such, its obviously more scare tactics/dis info or embellished and implemented into the CT about them, to keep you from even grazing an esoteric/occult understanding of what is going on in the world today and taking some sort of effective action.

(rape, child porn/child sacrifice blood letting etc)Of course that sort of thing goes on; it goes on a lot more without the influence of an organization, and Im sure there is not one organization in all the world that does not have some child molesting etc. members.

Jesus was a white witch, a shaman of the light, so WWJD? Heal the sick and make the blind see? By what powers did he drive out demons?

the Nag Hamaddi, the books left out of the bible, were the choice of "illuminatti" to be left out, because what they say exposes in full the deception that is spoken of in the bible. But without the dead sea scrolls, any regular bible reader would probably consider the Dead Sea scrolls heresy before even reading them; thus a perfect example of "illuminatti" brainwashing.

A good witch knows their works come from god(prime creator, not the nephilim or any demigod, but from the ONE the ONLY), An evil witch thinks they come from them self. (ego=black magic) Silly self destructive shape shifting slithery children. Forgive them, for they know not what they do.


"oh well, whatever, never mind"

reply to post by psychedeliack

So If I followed your logic, I would suspect Frieght and cutbothway as being "illuminatti". Hmmmm, Thats interesting. Maybe they are trying to keep masons away form the esoteric. Could be!

Just a question for everybody, Just for the sake of arguement if it could be proven that the Knights Templar was the source of today's Freemasons, why would that be a bad thing?



[edit on 2-5-2008 by lost in the midwest]

I always get the impression that while the symbolism is fairly secret, the actual meaning of the symbols is not fully appreciated by even the members themselves. After all, the Masons as we know them today are not true Freemasons. They're a shadow of the former organization, probably without access or knowledge of the real secrets once held by the Freemasons.

I like to think that the ultimate secret information of the Freemasons had to do with the ability to contact and possibly control powerful extra-dimensional entities, as was done in the Testament of Solomon. The secret would be that these things actually do exist and there are ways of dealing with them, but for obvious reasons it's very important to keep that information out of the hands of people who would misuse that knowledge and power. The symbolism is used to encode practices and spells used to conjure and control.

This is just something I have a hunch about, and no specific proof for. It certainly goes against our common Newtonian understanding of the way the universe is set up, although that might just be because nobody's had a chance to scientifically investigate it. If we were able to get a real Freemason in a room and have them conjure up active extra-dimensional entities, we might be able to develop some reasonable scientific hypotheses about the whole process.

But I suspect that even the highest ranked Masons don't fully understand or are able to activate the power, since the instructions for doing so were garbled so badly over the years. So they keep the fragments of the secrets that they know, with the understanding that it's probably better to not let the symbolism of those secrets be known to the general public, since there might be some symbolist genius out there who could put the pieces together and become a real threat to mankind, civilization, what have you.

Just an idea.

reply to post by lost in the midwest


I for one don't think that would be a bad thing at all.
all we need is more proof than just Rosslyn Chapel though, to make it more profound that the modern day freemason's come from the Knights Templar.

Originally posted by lost in the midwest


Just a question for everybody, Just for the sake of arguement if it could be proven that the Knights Templar was the source of today's Freemasons, why would that be a bad thing?

For most people, it would not. However, it should be borne in mind that the Templars faced a large list of false accusations, including idolatry, heresy, and witchcraft. While literally all serious minded scholars of history recognize that the charges were fraudulent, anti-Masons will continually parade them around as if they were true.

The entire anti-Masonic position is based on suppression of the facts, and appeals to propaganda.

reply to post by Nohup


Neat ideal, there has always been a myth that King Soloman could control the Jinn. Even had one caught up in his ring. I doubt that anyone could find proof of it, but its somthing to think about.

reply to post by Masonic Light


Well Light they are doing that anyway with out proof or reference or much thought at all.

reply to post by lost in the midwest


I have gone to great details on my own theories, and it involved a very indirect decendancy from Templar groups in Scotland.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There it is.

It's a pretty long read though. (people on ATS don't read posts longer then 3k chars on average )

Anyways.. I don't see why it was a bad thing at all. And ANY one who says the Templar worked for The Church is seriously misguided. The Templars worked with the Church. But not all the time.

Originally posted by freight tomsen
Oh ok, so David Icke, his source, and me are unreliable.

technically, it only takes one person in that chain to be wrong, for everyone to be wrong.

For example: Icke's "source" is wrong.

That means, icke, and you and your buddy cutbothways are all wrong, since you were all drinking from the same source. it's not really that complicated, or difficult.

but in short, the answer to your questions is "yes."

reply to post by scientist


Sort of like the way the military works on a "need to know" basis, giving out secret information to soldiers, but only enough for them to perform their duties.

Just like the Masons. The lesser degrees only know enough information to keep them interested, and paying their dues.

Anyone who calls themselves the Supreme Council, considers themselves to be the most important

www.scottishrite.org...

Talk about egos

Originally posted by Cosmocow
reply to post by cutbothways

 

I thought i just saw a show on the history channel showing the Mason's connection to the underground railroad? It was actually a pretty interesting show to say the least.

Yes I watched the same show!!!!!! It was very interesting to say the least...

I want to know why a Masonic symbol, the all-seeing eye triangle, is on our one dollar bill! Why don't they explain the words above and below the triangle?

reply to post by Ragdollcat


man, i am sure interesting in the all seeing eyes in the triangle printed on the American one dollar bill but i am even more interesting by this masonic symbol on the one dollar bill, being in many roman catholic church like this one here, can anyone explain please,

Originally posted by Road Warrior 31
reply to post by caspar2012

 

hi man. i didn't know, about the weavers, very interesting link. it look like history as lot
of conspiracy branch.it's getting hard man, to put it all together.
for the question on achiles13 i got something interesting i think, i drove my car for 6 hours
to get to this canadian roman catholic church and take those picture my self. man i'm still got the chill when i think about it. not sure what they have in common but they are all together here man.

please

'' don't shoot the messenger man '', me like maybe others just think it is cool to explore new possibilities. the secret society forum is for all above top secret community, and man that is what we here for, exploring conspiracy theories and deny ignorance. anyway here are those cool pictures.

reply to post by Road Warrior 31


That is the Eye of Providence is meant to symbolize the presence of Diety. The symbol on the back of the dollar bill is the same while the 'triangle' is not a triangle but an unfinished pyramid to represet the unfinished state of the country, meaning that it is alwyas a work in progress.

Please view this thread that I authored where we discuss these emblems and symbols:

Thread regarding symbolism.

reply to post by Road Warrior 31


The all-seeing eye is the eye of god that watches over man in his daily actions. Meaning that whatever you do God is watching you. It doesn’t have to do anything with freemasonry. We used the all-seeing eye for the same reason as everyone else does.

Well I m not a Mason but I was in DeMolay and I poked around a bit whie I was. The only secret I found was that supposedly the knights templer where the men who removed Christ's body from the tomb and buried it. In other words Jesus never rose from the grave as myth tells but was buried by the Masons in respect.

I don't proclaim that this is true or that it is a true Masonic secret, I have a hunch that Masonry is probably full of lots of "secrets" that are local to the specific lodge.

I have no hate for Masonry, I think most Masons are probably good people that dedicate themselves to service to others, however I don't shut myself out from the possibility that there may be a darker side to some of it's members a we have seen occasionally

Originally posted by Nohup
I always get the impression that while the symbolism is fairly secret, the actual meaning of the symbols is not fully appreciated by even the members themselves.

Actually, the symbolism isn't secret, but Masons don't always agree with each other on what the symbolism means. The meanings as interpreted officially are published in the monitors. Some Masons, like Pike and Mackey, believed the official interpretations were wrong, and therefore published alternative interpretations.

But all these have been published publicly, and are not considered secret.