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What are the Masonic Secrets?

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posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton
It's not that Masonry holds any knowledge as secret, it's that the search for knowledge is individual and not something that can be taught.


The "secret," I suppose, is just a reiteration of the "pearls before swine" notion. And the rituals are still there in order to ensure that the worthy are kept separated from the unworthy. Otherwise, why bother with the rituals at all? Why not just put away all the funny hats and be a civic organization?

Because at some level, there still has to be a separation between the insiders and outsiders. Those who know and do not say, and those who say but do not know.




posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 07:26 PM
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posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 07:44 PM
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Do you happen to ever check the facts before making up these insane conspiracy theories? Of course, with the stuff you believe in freemasonry, I would expect not.

Skyfloating is not listed as a moderator for this forum - see that list that says who the moderators for the forum are? The person your acting hysterical over isn't on it. As such, he has no authority over this forum. You'll have to target someone else for your "ATS mason conspiracy."

I wish ignorance like yours would be silenced. It discredits good sites like ATS. Unfortunately the moderators are big on free speech here, so even those who do the site a disservice are allowed to say what they like.

[edit on 12-11-2008 by LowLevelMason]



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 07:46 PM
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Well if that is the case.. then Achillies should make the proper appeal to the Mods and request an unbiased ruling. and then we will see if it is as he claims, that he is the victim of an overbearing, overreaching masonic Mod, or if said Mod was simply executing his duty and is having blame cast at him for his affiliations.

And even if Achilles does not make this appeal, i am. I ask that no less then 3 ATS mods examine his 2 removed posts and make a ruling so that there will be no question.


*Edit*

LLM is correct, Skyfloating is neither listed on this forums Mod listings.. nor is he listed as a "SuperMod". which means he has no control over this thread or it's content.

[edit on 12-11-2008 by Secret Master]



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 08:13 PM
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What I find Amazing Secret Master is that when you actually tell most people the secrets of Masonry THEY DONT BELIEVE YOU!! Veiled Symbols and spiritual path couldn’t possibly be the secret. It must be a conspiracy, or my favorite is we just aren’t a high enough level to know!!! lol



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 08:26 PM
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I agree AA. They claim that we are blind, and can not.. or will not see.

But they are equally as blind as they claim us to be. they continue cite sources that have been debunked and exposed as hoaxes or slander. claiming that it is part of the masonic disinformation machine to debunk these accusations.

If this were not sad enough on it's own.. they refuse to examine the several hundred years of masonic teachings and history for themselves.. instead relying on the rantings of a few modern conspiracy theorists and strategically edited material to form their so called basis of facts.

And while i wont point the finger at 12.21.12, i do agree that there is an alarming amount of internet sock puppetry at work with regards to the anti-masonic movement, we have seen this on ATS before. we will continue to see it.

I have often wondered if the perpetuators of the anti-masonic movement here on ATS even believe their words, or if they are just trying to antagonise masons here.

Then again, i also wonder sometimes if the anti-masonic movement isnt an illuminati orchestrated manuever to remove a potenial threat to their powerbase, and if the anti-mason conspiracy theorists here are nothing more then their pawns in this game.



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 08:51 PM
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Your right, SM

They won’t examine the hundreds of years of Masonic material because it’s too much work!! They rely upon others to do their DD for them, and when you rely upon others for information you become just like everyone else! That’s why the mass of population is uniformed or ill informed. Take your pick.

Some things in life you must learn and experience for yourself. I could tell you how to swim, but its not until you get in the water yourself that the real experience and learning begins!



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 08:51 PM
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posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by RuneSpider
Achilles sent me a U2U with this:



allegedly posted by Achilles 13
..i copy the last post before it had been tag extrem violation.......juge for your self.......




Who the heck copies their own posts in anticipation of them being flagged? Rune, did you see this before it was removed?

If not, the more likely explaination is that he is conveniently changing what the actual contents were. It is not the first time he would have said something that warrented removal or moderation.








[edit on 12-11-2008 by AugustusMasonicus]



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 09:27 PM
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Didn't see it,s o I can't verify what he said. When it comes to him, I won't say anything about the probability of him changing what he posted.
That's what he said was posted, before it he made a post that was a bit insulting towards LowLevelMason, which was removed.
However, that's what he says happened, and he sent me a message about it.
I'll be impartial here and just present what he says has happened.
Personally, I've found the mods to be fairly impartial when it comes to rulings, and claims to the contrary usually without merit.



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by bushidomason


There are no secrets in freemasonry. That’s our secret

Again I don’t understand what secret you’re trying to find out?
Do you want to know about what we do at our meetings?
Do you want to know our words ad handshakes?






This is true. (kind of)



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by Secret Master
I agree AA. They claim that we are blind, and can not.. or will not see.

But they are equally as blind as they claim us to be. they continue cite sources that have been debunked and exposed as hoaxes or slander. claiming that it is part of the masonic disinformation machine to debunk these accusations.

If this were not sad enough on it's own.. they refuse to examine the several hundred years of masonic teachings and history for themselves.. instead relying on the rantings of a few modern conspiracy theorists and strategically edited material to form their so called basis of facts.

And while i wont point the finger at 12.21.12, i do agree that there is an alarming amount of internet sock puppetry at work with regards to the anti-masonic movement, we have seen this on ATS before. we will continue to see it.

I have often wondered if the perpetuators of the anti-masonic movement here on ATS even believe their words, or if they are just trying to antagonise masons here.

Then again, i also wonder sometimes if the anti-masonic movement isnt an illuminati orchestrated manuever to remove a potenial threat to their powerbase, and if the anti-mason conspiracy theorists here are nothing more then their pawns in this game.



The problem is... Why didn't we learn about Freemasonry when we were in elementary school?

Why didn't we learn tht George Washington was a FreeMason?




Why is it that I never heard the word FREEMASON once in my American Educational System?


That's the secret.

[edit on 12-11-2008 by Doomsday 2029]



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 10:05 PM
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Freemasons are pretty much on every other street corner.
High school and elementary school education is pretty much a cliff notes of world history.
You don't learn that George Washington was a brewer, Franklin was a lecher, Jefferson had a thing for his slaves, or really any bit of trivia about famous people.
You learn about what they did, when, and maybe a few details that may or may not be embellished.

You are free to learn about it elsewhere. A lot of folks don't see Masonry as such a big deal, and a while back it used to be fairly well respected.
It wasn't considered important, though.



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by bushidomason
reply to post by cutbothways
 


There are no secrets in freemasonry. That’s our secret

Again I don’t understand what secret you’re trying to find out?
Do you want to know about what we do at our meetings?
Do you want to know our words ad handshakes?



So wait a second?

How do Freemasons feel about this?



"It's so secret we can't talk about it"

Okay Freemasons .... Yall should be Mad as Hell!!!!

[edit on 12-11-2008 by Doomsday 2029]



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
So wait a second?

How do Freemasons feel about this?

"It's so secret we can't talk about it"

Okay Freemasons .... Yall should be Mad as Hell!!!!
Why? Freemasonry and Skull & Bones are not related in any way.

[edit on 11/12/2008 by JoshNorton]



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 10:38 PM
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i have to say that joshnorton, lowloevelmason, masonicus are
doing an extremely good job communicating to non-masons
on ATS, non-masons including myself.

i'm happy that this communication exists and appears to
be sincere. let us have that dialog...

but - i'm puzzled by deletion of prior posts in this thread.
who is the mod that deleted these posts?

there is no paranoia here, we only want to know why posts got
removed and by whom.



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by Nohup
The "secret," I suppose, is just a reiteration of the "pearls before swine" notion. And the rituals are still there in order to ensure that the worthy are kept separated from the unworthy.
I really don't think so. Masonry isn't all that exclusive. Sure, no women, no atheists, no felons, but otherwise? We let almost anyone in. Neither do we claim to be the only way to enlightenment. The teachings of Masonry offer one path to self knowledge. People for centuries have arrived at the same destination traveling different roads. Honestly it's not all that different than a self-help course.


Otherwise, why bother with the rituals at all? Why not just put away all the funny hats and be a civic organization?
We want the lessons to mean something, not just be listened to once and forgotten. The theatrics, the solemnity, the archaic language... these all serve to separate the experience from our day to day lives. Not as something better, but as something different so that it will stand out and hopefully not be easily passed by.


Because at some level, there still has to be a separation between the insiders and outsiders. Those who know and do not say, and those who say but do not know.
Why do you believe that? Such divisiveness is contrary to the idea of brotherhood and "meeting on the level".



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by eventHorizon
i have to say that joshnorton, lowloevelmason, masonicus are
doing an extremely good job communicating to non-masons
on ATS, non-masons including myself.

i'm happy that this communication exists and appears to
be sincere. let us have that dialog...
That's what they pay me for why I'm here.



but - i'm puzzled by deletion of prior posts in this thread.
who is the mod that deleted these posts?

there is no paranoia here, we only want to know why posts got
removed and by whom.
As recently discussed in the ATS Issues thread, the airing of dirty laundry doesn't do much to keep the thread on topic. Achilles is highly excitable and has gotten himself in trouble on many occasions. His negative score should be indication of that. In fact, it's clear that his supposed copy & paste in his U2U was a fake, because he's never been polite to the Masons that he's convinced are brainwashed. Look at his post history if you have any doubts as to his general tone and temperament. That he just got slapped on the wrist for it is the only reason he's pretending to play nice for the moment. We'll return to our regularly scheduled programing any time now...



posted on Nov, 13 2008 @ 12:27 AM
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posted on Nov, 13 2008 @ 12:29 AM
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So heres some more questions for you, the interviewing proccess shall continue.

Why do Masonic Lodges have no windows?

How is it that you can refer to someone as worshipful master and at the same time DENY you are the member of a religious cult?



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