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posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 02:51 AM
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They also keep the secrets of ancient ley lines and continue building along them. For instance the cities of Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Washington D.C. are all on a perfect diagonal that continues down to Teohitican and all the way up to Stonehenge, Troy, and Baalbak. London to Giza and Paris to Dendera are almost equidistant parallel lines as well. This geomantic knowledge was understood and kept hidden by ancient builders/Masons and remains that way today.


“Has anyone ever asked themselves why a war memorial nearly always has to be an obelisk? And why do you think the Washington monument in the centre of Washington DC is a giant obelisk? Because obelisks, like all these symbols and geometrical shapes, generate the energy they represent. I remember climbing some stone steps inside a big obelisk near Hebden Bridge in England and feeling enormous
male sexual energy all around me. I wondered what on Earth was happening until I remembered where I was ... inside a male penis in effect. What a symbol is built to represent is the energy it will generate, because symbols are a physical manifestation of the thoughts which create them. These guys don’t put their symbols everywhere just for fun. They do it because it helps to resonate the energy field to the vibrational frequency they want. In turn, this affects the thoughts and feelings of the people.” -David Icke, “The Biggest Secret” (136)



“The extraordinary truth is that the very existence of the Washington Monument is intimately linked with the Egyptian star, Sirius the Sihor, which the ancients represented in their sacred hieroglyphics as an obelisk as well as a star. How is it possible that this most important star of the ancient world should find itself, as it were, resurrected in the architecture of the United States. …in the course of that day, when the cornerstone of the Washington Monument was laid, the Sun would have passed over Sirius … Computations clearly show that on the day the Declaration of Independence was agreed in Philadelphia, the Sun was on Sirius. The Mason who first signed the Declaration of Independence would have been aware of the particular significance of July 4 as a cosmic event. The day was the second in the so-called dog days…which begin on July 3. The dog days are so-called because they refer to the rising of the star Sirius.” -David Ovason, Secret Architecture of Our Nation’s Capitol


The Masons are very familiar with astrology, astronomy and astrotheology. They align all important commemorations, dedications, declarations, ground-breakings, grand-openings, and other events to coincide with astrological phenomena.


“In the years following the Revolution, the Masonic fraternities held ceremonial layings for such new enterprises as bridges, locks, universities, government buildings, statehouses, memorials, and even churches. Such buildings were aligned with the stars, and with the spiritual beings who ruled the stars … Although a survey of the foundation charts used in the early phase of the building of Washington, D.C. reveals the importance of astrology, and, indeed, confirms beyond doubt that astrology played an important role in the early Masonic rites, the rationale of astrology was rarely discussed openly, even in Masonic documents. Knowledge of the stars - insofar as they were understood in Masonic circles - was preserved as secrets best left to those with specialist knowledge of such things.” -David Ovason, “Secret Architecture of our Nation’s Capital” (124)


August 7, 1880 at precisely 10:59am the cornerstone of the Washington Monument obelisk was laid just as the Sun passed over Sirius. The day the foundation stone for the White House was laid, around noon the Moon entered the same 23rd degree of Virgo as the Dragon’s Head node. On the morning of September 18th, 1793, the Sun was also passing through this degree of Virgo when the Capitol building was founded. When the Library of Congress was founded the Sun and Saturn were in conjunction in Virgo. And when the Scottish Rite Freemason “House of the Temple” cornerstone was laid on October 18th, 1911, the Moon and Venus were conjunct in Virgo.


“The chances of the correspondence being mere coincidence are so remote that we must assume that whoever was directing the planning of Washington, D.C., not only had a considerable knowledge of astrology, but had a vested interest in emphasizing the role of the sign Virgo … Time and time again we shall see that a knowledge of the stars played an important part in every stage of the creative phases in the construction of the city.” -David Ovason, “Secret Architecture of our Nation’s Capital” (65-6)


The White House, Capitol building, and Washington Monument form the “Federal Triangle” which mirrors on the ground, Arcturus, Spica, and Regulus in the sky – three stars that bracket Virgo. In Washington D.C. there are 22 full zodiacs secreted into the architecture, most of them highlighting Virgo. This is the highest concentration of zodiacal art/symbology in the world, compared with only 4 in London for example.


“On evenings from August 10th to the 15th, as the Sun sets over Pennsylvania Avenue, the Constellation Virgo appears in the sky above the White House and the Federal Triangle. At that same moment, the setting Sun appears precisely above the apex of a stone pyramid in the Old Post Office tower, which is just wide enough to occlude the solar disc. According to the 19th century Freemason, Ross Parsons, ‘The Assumption of the Virgin Mary is fixed on the 15th of August, because at that time the Sun is so entirely in the constellation of Virgo that the stars of which it is composed are rendered invisible in the bright effulgency of his rays.’” -David Ovason, “Secret Architecture of our Nation’s Capital”



“Man has always felt the need to dominate and nowhere and at no time is the desire more prevalent than in this modern era. If it were not so, why all the need for secret societies? If we are ruled by an open system run by democratically elected officials, why the need for a secret Masonic order in every village, town and city across the United States? How is it that Freemasonry can operate so openly and yet keep its secrets so well hidden?” -John Coleman, “Conspirators Hierarchy”


Ok, cue mason/agent to come "debunk" me.




posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 03:32 AM
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You're doing a great service: Sharing the truth & exposing our enemies. Thanks for telling the truth about freemasons & many noteworthy subjects. You're a wise patriot & scholar. You, Jaamaan, & CutBothWays are doing great work for many of the truth-seekers & patriots, who defend this country, on a daily basis.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 03:49 AM
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There are no secrets. There has been plenty of the writings of Pike and others leaked into public knowledge. Freemasonry is an exoteric/esoteric organization. The amount of esoteric knowledge one has depends on their level. Those at the top (30 to 33 degree) are privy to the highest esoteric rituals. Those at the lowest levels (referred to as cattle) are none the wiser.


Albert Pike explained in Morals & Dogma how the true nature of Freemasonry is kept a secret from Masons of lower degrees:
"The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry. The whole body of the Royal and Sacerdotal Art was hidden so carefully, centuries since, in the High Degrees, as that it is even yet impossible to solve many of the enigmas which they contain. It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain, and without any true reward violate his obligations as an Adept. Masonry is the veritable Sphinx, buried to the head in the sands heaped round it by the ages. " 3
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Morals and Dogma IMHO is just Gnosticism. Nothing secret about that. With the internet and Google much information abounds.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by cutbothways





Left: The Main Library of the Supreme Council 33° of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, S.J., U.S.A., the Mother Supreme Council of the World, Washington D.C., is dedicated to none other than Confederate General Albert Pike, the KKK's Chief of "Judiciary".

www.freemasonrywatch.org...


Talk about beating a dead horse. Albert Pike was not a member of the KKK, and Freemasonry Watch is hardly an unbiased source of historical accuracy.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by cutbothways
What Psalms in the Bible do you study?

What is "The Book of Law"
Do you study "The Book of Thoth" and
the Liber-Al?
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I'm not a Mason (yet
) but I think you are confused.

Liber Al vel Legis, AKA The Book of the Law, was written/received by Aleister Crowley, who did not found the OTO but did influence the organization to adopt the "New Aeon" law of Thelema (do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law; love is the law, love under will.)

None of this is directly related to Freemasonry, as far as I have ever heard. OTO has a similar structure in that initiates pass through various degrees and rituals, very likely inspired by Masonry and other similar societies. But Masonry is not a Thelemic church or anything like that.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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In my reading I have come to the conclusion that the true secret of freemasonry is lost. It was lost because the sole keepers of the secret, an Egyptian pharoah and his high priests, were murdered. This murder became the legend/myth of Hiram Abiff.
The secret was the specifics of a king-making ritual, performed to bestow immortality upon the pharoah. When the keepers of the secret refused to divulge it to the Hyksos conquerors of Egypt, they were killed. Since that time, the exact ritual is lost. The rituals of Freemasonry, as well as all Judeo-Christian religions, attempt to duplicate this ancient Egyptian king-making ritual.

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posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 11:32 AM
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posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 12:31 PM
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This would of course assume that Freemasonry can be dated to the Egyptian Kingdom, which it cannot.

It can be speculated that it could, by looking at symbols and our rituals however I feel there is a good explanation for this.

Not much is known of Masonry prior to the mid to late 1600's. As far as we know it was a clandestine group of Free individuals (religion not mattering) that operated no different then a guild. It may have even of been an operative Mason guild that turned into a social club.

The time in which Freemasonry was officially declared a Public Organization, it was during a time of European conquest and imperialistic expansions. As Europe expanded into Africa, especially North Africa there was an Egyptian craze..

People brought obelisks and statues and symbols because it was fashionable.. nothing sinister, just fashionable. This likely contributed to Masonry adapting more and more Egyptian type symbolism. I would say that it is unlikely that all the symbols we use to day are "original" in the sense they have always been used, aside from Mason symbology like the Square & Compass.

There are some who speculate it went back to Egypt, but Guilds had not been formed yet and it just holds no ground. There is less evidence for this theory then there are for a Templar relationship to be defined, which is not saying much at all.

Tomsen:



They also keep the secrets of ancient ley lines and continue building along them. For instance the cities of Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Washington D.C. are all on a perfect diagonal that continues down to Teohitican and all the way up to Stonehenge, Troy, and Baalbak. London to Giza and Paris to Dendera are almost equidistant parallel lines as well. This geomantic knowledge was understood and kept hidden by ancient builders/Masons and remains that way today.


I know of only one account which is true that a building, or a series of buildings where built on a Ley Line, and whether that is on purpose or not I cannot speculate, but it happens to be the Israeli Supreme Court building. Which is an unusual building indeed, if your into mysteries like this.

But our older cities where built for practicability, not ley line or anything like that. DC was designed to be intimidating to foreigners who came to see us, so streets where aligned in a way to give DC a "bigger then life" appeal, a different flow of energy.

Even still, it is unlikely or illogical to assume every great city happened to be designed by "satanic" occultist.



The Masons are very familiar with astrology, astronomy and astrotheology. They align all important commemorations, dedications, declarations, ground-breakings, grand-openings, and other events to coincide with astrological phenomena.


That is false.



Ok, cue mason/agent to come "debunk" me.


I would appreciate it if you cited your sources so that I could get an understanding of where you are getting this information. I don't entirely debunk you, but the source it's self probably would.. as the vast majority doesn't even have an ounce of Masonic representation with facts.

Darkelf:



Those at the top (30 to 33 degree) are privy to the highest esoteric rituals.


Not true, the Scottish Rite (which is American) holds plays as their rituals. They are parables, most from the bible to give meaning.. Some of the plays are ever changing, not based on old symbology but instead off recent events like Vietnam or WWII .. to better relate to Masons instead of Biblical stories.

The 33 is an honorary degree, you do not need wealth (imo donating does help
) to be a 33rd and thus they are not power dealers of the world. Most in my area are retired Air Force..

Anyways, the Esoteric side of Masonry is not explained to new Members, at any time, nor to old members. If you are interested in that aspect of Masonry you must discover it on your own, on our own time, through your own research. Unless there are like minded individuals in your lodge.

I personally don't find it all that interesting. That does not mean I don't understand Freemasonry, because it is essentially interpretable to your own thought process. Essentially if you have a symbol, and you believe it means something .. then it is regardless of what it means to someone else, because it is interpretable and does not alter its meaning from your own consciousness. That means we cannot worship evil deities and not know it.. as that goes against all logic and understanding of how worship works.



referred to as cattle


Rather rude..

The hierarchy of Masonry is this:

First degree.

Second degree.

Third degree.

Then it ends. Most Masons take 6 months to get all three, depending on the Lodge's schedule. Some do it in one day. The Scottish Rite is an appendant body, and holds no authority over ANY Blue Lodge, as the Blue Lodge is the highest. The York Rite in many places has more power then the Scottish Rite, they have degrees that are just as "important" as a 33rd.

Then there is the Shrine, which one USED to have to be a 32 degree to get into, so if we went by "numbers" the Shrine would have been one of the highest. But it's not.

Essentially a persons level of "importance" is not judge by how many degrees he has, but rather how much time he puts into Masonry. Naturally he will have more degrees being more active. My current WM is not even in the Scottish Rite, never found it interesting I guess, however he heads our local York Rite body and the Eastern Star. The York Riters and the Scottish Riters are sometimes indifferent, each thinking the other thinks them selves more important.

The entire notion that the Scottish Rite for one reason or another is "better" or more important is simply because it uses numbers to identify the degrees. However, no one ever gets 32 degrees before becoming a 32nd. Numbers mean nothing in the Scottish Rite, so long as you have the required ones (4-7-14-19-30-31-32) if I am not mistaken.. its been a while.

This is because in our society it is ingrained in our minds numbers must mean higher importance.. you ascend up from 4-33 so 12 is higher then 11.. even though I can get 12 before 11. In fact, I don't even have the 15th degree for example yet I am a 32nd.

Make sense?



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 12:34 PM
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The Hebrew Kabalistic Tree of Life (studied in-depth by Masons) displays the Roman numerals IX-XI (9-11) when the tree has “fallen” or is shown on its side. And in the Tarot (also studied by Masons) there is much 911 significance as well. The Major Arcana card “The Tower” shows a tall tower being struck by lightning, fire coming out the windows, and people falling to their deaths – all of which happened on 9/11, if the lightning is symbolically substituted by an airplane. In “The High Priestess” tarot card, Isis (the Statue of Liberty) is seen between the black and white Masonic pillars of Mercy and Severity, Boaz and Jachin (the Two Towers). The 13th “Death” tarot card also shows two towers with the sun between them.

In Freemasonry the two/three pillars are very important and well-known to every Mason. One of the largest Masonic websites is called “The Three Pillars.” They are depicted on the 1st degree tracing board and they are the 3 columns of the Kabalistic Tree of Life. The pillars of Solomon’s temple - Sol-Om-On three words all meaning “Sun” -relate to this as well (note: WTC 7 was the Salomon Brothers Building). The right pillar of Mercy is Male and the left pillar of Severity is Female. Between them is the third androgynous pillar of enlightenment and illumination. This is symbolically depicted in the Tarot Death card where the sun is rising between two towers/pillars. In Da Vinci’s Last Supper, the back wall with two windows can be viewed as three towers/pillars. On the right is a man pointing representing the phallic/masculine, on the left is a very effeminate John representing the feminine, and the sun/son Jesus is in the middle. In the movie Spider-Man there was a deleted-scene with the sun rising between the Twin Towers symbolizing this as well.


"More important, however, is the fact that Mary Magdalene can be seen as being associated with both a tower and the number seven. The name Magdalene can be literally translated from the Greek as meaning 'tower' and, as we have seen , this association between the terms 'tower' and 'seven' is present in the famous Biblical quotation: Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the Tower of Seven even unto the border of Ethiopia. So, Ezekiel's 'Tower of Seven' is none other than the Egyptian 'Magdal of Sefekh,' the same title that is now being associated with Mary Magdalene. The Tower of Sefekh was historically seen to be a prime symbol of Egypt and because of his notoriety it has already been identified as with the Great Pyramid (The Great Tower) of Egypt.” -Ralph Ellis, "Solomon Falcon of Sheba" (126-7)


So overlooking the 7 World Trade Center towers is the Statue of Liberty, Isis/Mary the Tower of Seven, wearing a 7-pointed crown. Just as in the sky Sirius (Isis) stands beside the 3 stars of Orion’s (Osirus’) Belt, on the ground Isis (the Statue of Liberty) stands beside 3 collapsing towers. The three buildings that collapsed, buildings 1, 2 and 7, perfectly replicate in size and distance both the 3 pyramids at Giza and the 3 stars in Orion’s Belt. WTC buildings 1 and 2 were very tall with a shorter building 7 off to the side. Similarly, there are 2 large pyramids at Giza and a smaller pyramid off to the side. Not to mention, before being destroyed on 9/11 there actually stood a huge model of the 3 Giza pyramids at the base of the World Trade Center. The Giza pyramids themselves were modeled after Orion’s Belt which consists of 2 bright stars and another slightly less bright one off to the side. The ancient Egyptians associated Orion’s Belt with the God Osirus, the husband of Isis/Sirius. Their son is our sun, Horus, the Egyptian Jesus.


"For instance, this is why the tracing board portrays the three pillars as all being of different heights, with two larger pillars in the foreground and a much smaller one behind. This is not simply a matter of perspective, as the two foreground pillars are placed at exactly the same depth within the picture, but are given slightly different heights; while a much smaller pillar lies behind. Yet this depiction exactly reflects the reality at Giza, where two major pyramids are nearly but not quite of the same height, while the third is much smaller.” -Ralph Ellis, “Eden in Egypt” (165)


Sirius, the dog-star, is so called because it lies in the constellation Canis Major. Canine, Latin for dog, was shortened by the Masons/Hollywood to K-9 in Doctor Who and Rin Tin Tin K-9 Cop. NASA even has a Mars rover called K-9. Since K is the 11th letter of the alphabet, K-9 is numerically 119 or 911.

Before 1679 the constellation Columba (the Dove) occupied the same space as (was one with) Canis Major/Sirius. Since then the two constellations have drifted apart, but symbolically the Illuminati still associate the Dove with Sirius/Isis/Mary. The Columbine “blazing star” flower, Colombe meaning Dove, is a 5-petaled flower. In ancient Egypt the hieroglyph for Sirius included a 5-pointed star. In the U.S. District of “Columbia” the Masons built numerous 5-pointed star pentagrams into the roads/architecture. Is it not coincidental how the 5-sided Pentagon building would be attacked on 9/11, the same day it began construction 60 years prior? (9/11/41) And is it not interesting how the numbers 911 and 5 relate back to Sirius the K-9, and Sirius the Columbine 5-pointed blazing star?



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 12:42 PM
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I disagree. Freemasonry does not have to date back to Egypt. It just has to be a "spiritual descendant" of the religions (Judaism, Christianity) that sought to duplicate the ritual.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 12:53 PM
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...You are not a Mason, and yet you preach what we believe as fact?

The vast majority of Masons do not study Esoteric studies, and they do not believe in things like "trees of life"..

There may be some that do, but imo much of that comes from a religious or spiritual standpoint and not from a factual one.

That is to say, you can take a symbol from Masonry and OH thats the Tree of Life, and I believe it is something different and think Trees of Life are nothing more then hog wash.. well it doesn't matter what YOU think it is, because it is interpretable and thus only means what I make it represent.

Masons for the vast majority do not study ANYTHING that you just said. Even from the most esoteric Masons I can be fairly certain your information is false.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by TheComte
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I disagree. Freemasonry does not have to date back to Egypt. It just has to be a "spiritual descendant" of the religions (Judaism, Christianity) that sought to duplicate the ritual.


It's possible..

Judaism is a clear representative of Monotheistic Egyptian mythology.. the same stories, the same parables the same set of Monotheistic beliefs. Christianity however is somewhat Judaic, it derives from Jews.. but it derives from a Sect of Jews. IMO, Christianity has more in common with Zoroastrianism. This religion is ancient, and first recorded in 440 BCE..

I believe it is highly probable that Judaic tribes, in the same region as Zoroastrianist mixed ideas and came back with Christianity, which was then Romanized and spread across Europe.

And while Masonry uses Christianity to represent our philosophies, I do not believe it holds a single ounce of Christian exclusive value.

Actually in my studies of Gaelic histories and religion, Masonry's social structure is far more closely linked to Brehon traditional concepts. Now, it will hold a monotheistic view but it is highly generic. In fact, it is essentially Deist in nature.

The esoteric side of Masonry may very well hold Egyptian qualities, but seeing as Egypt once dominated all the known world and a huge portion of the world population, it is not improbable or illogical to assume that all of the Western World holds some aspects of mutated Egyptian qualities. Very distant though.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 01:12 PM
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posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 01:14 PM
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OK folks, discuss the topic, not the members.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 01:16 PM
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What? .. That is not what I intend at all.. your information is false, thats the end of it.

The Esoteric side of Masonry is explained in good detail by some members who DO study it, like Masoniclight for instance.

The simple fact of the matter if your information is false. And whether or not a Mason does or does not divulge what they learn does not mean your information is anymore valid.

And there are PLENTY of good sources on the net and in books that give a great account of Esoteris Masonry. Your sources, not so good..

Not trying to bring you down, just saying how it is.. your information is false. And yes, Masons would tend to know Masonry better then a non-Mason...



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck

Not trying to bring you down, just saying how it is.. your information is false. And yes, Masons would tend to know Masonry better then a non-Mason...


Masons may know Masonry better than non-Masons, but they don't spend hours a day on internet conspiracy forms spilling their guts about all the secrets of Masonry! The point is, whether Masons know more about Masonry or not, they don't come to ATS in order to inform. They take blood-oaths never to divulge Masonry's secrets:


“The initiate into the order's beginning or First Degree of the Blue Lodge pledged to ‘binding myself under no less penalty than to have my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by the roots, and my body buried in the rough sands of the sea at low water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in 24 hours.’ The penalties in higher degrees grew progressively more gruesome.” -Jim Marrs, “Rule by Secrecy” (218)



“Second degree Masons recite the following heinous oath: ...binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my breast torn open, my heart plucked out, and placed on the highest pinnacle of the temple there to be devoured by the vultures of the air, should I ever knowingly violate the Fellow Craft obligation. The third degree oath proclaims: ... binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my body severed in two, my bowels taken from thence and burned to ashes, the ashes scattered before the four winds of heaven, that no more remembrance might be had of so vile and wicked a wretch as I would be, should I ever, knowingly, violate this my Master Mason's obligation. That's not all. In the 4th degree, Mark Master of the York Rite, the candidate performs a ritual which symbolizes having his ‘ear smitten off’ if he reveals the order's secrets. And for the 5th degree, Past Master, the hapless candidate agrees as follows: ... binding myself under no less penalty than (in addition to all my former penalties) to have my tongue split from tip to root, that I might thereafter be unable to pronounce the word.” -Texe Marrs, “Codex Magica” (285-6)


So if Mason's take blood-oaths never to divulge the secrets of their secret society, why are there scores of them on ATS supposedly "telling all?"



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 01:27 PM
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Look, first off.. please link your sources.



Masons may know Masonry better than non-Masons, but they don't spend hours a day on internet conspiracy forms spilling their guts about all the secrets of Masonry!


Actually we do a great deal. Our secrets are our handshakes and our "modes of recognition" .. 5 mins on Google and you will know everything.

Even our rituals are public information.

And we are here to inform. I am here for political and economic discussions on other threads, this is just a hobby. I prefer real conspiracies.


As far as our oaths are concerned.. you should know that we don't take them literally.. you can be expelled for disrespecting your oath, but that's because one who would isn't a man of good character and we don't want to be around him anyways. But no torn open breast, slit throats or buryings at sea.. not even an ocean around us anyways.. kinda hard to find an ebbing tide you know?


And I can't be expelled because I will never give you the words to the ritual, never mention a mode of recognition, and never demonstrate a handshake.

Never have, never will.

But I will tell you ANYTHING else.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck

But I will tell you ANYTHING else.


Of course you will. Thank you so much for your selfless service to humanity. Your constant contributions contemptively construct conclusions controling concerned citizens.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 01:36 PM
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There are many secret sayings, handshakes, and gestures used by Masons both to recognize one another in public as well as to communicate specific information. For instance, there are many mudras (hand-gestures) commonly used by Masons posing for portraits/photos. A common one is known as “the Hidden Hand” whereby the right hand is placed partially or fully within one’s shirt/jacket. Masonic kings, presidents, prime ministers, and media personalities have been photographed posing the Hidden Hand. Another common one is “the Claw,” right hand at chest bending all knuckles into a claw.


“At his trial for conspiracy to commit homicide, Satanist rebel Charles Manson was observed giving a variety of Masonic hand signs, including the Masonic sign of distress. The same sign was reportedly given by Mormon founder Joseph Smith as he lay dying on the floor of an Illinois jail on a variety of criminal charges. Lying bleeding and desperate, Smith's raspy voice could be heard crying out the plaintive, Masonic wail, calling on Masons to help a brother in dire trouble, ‘Is there no help for the widow's son?’” -Texe Marrs, “Codex Magica” (44)

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Perhaps the most commonly displayed hand-signs are the Satanic Devil Horns, made by bending the middle and ring fingers, extending just the index and pinky fingers. The thumb can be stuck out or clasped in; both are used, and have been by Satanists for centuries. Recently, this along with many other Masonic hand-signs have been leaked into popular culture and given different exoteric meanings to the mislead public. For example the Devil Horns with thumb out is often used to say “I love you.”


“The sign often is confused with the deaf's signing of the phrase, ‘I love you.’ While at first this appears an odd resemblance, we register an ‘ahh, I get it!’ emotion when we discover that the person who invented, or created, the hand sign system for the deaf, Helen Keller, was herself an occultist and Theosophist. Did Keller purposely design the deaf's ‘I love you’ sign to be such a remarkable imitation of the classic sign of Satan? Was Keller saying, basically, ‘I love you, Devil’?” -Texe Marrs, “Codex Magica” (120)

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If you listen to Heavy Metal music, the Devil Horns are called “Metal Horns” and the whole audience makes the mudra. Even President Bush’s Alumni University of Texas calls the hand sign “UT Horns” and students flash them at rallies and sporting events. But, UT or Metal Horns cannot account for the scores of world political/media figures who have been photographed making this Satanic gesture (also notice the mischievous looks on their faces): Most every member of the Bush family, both Georges, Laura, Barbara, and the daughters too, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Dan Quayle, Jon Edwards, Prince William, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, Iranian President Ahmadinajad, Israeli Prime Minister Yasser Arafat, and many others have all been photographed making this sign. Michael Jackson, Prince, Penn and Teller, also “Christian” singer Amy Grant and televangelists Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, Rodney Brown, and Benny Hinn have all been photographed making the Devil Horns sign. The Council on Foreign Relations logo is a naked man aback a white horse giving the Devil Horns. Could some of these just be coincidence? Sure. But could all of them be?
 

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posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 02:01 PM
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LOOK .. you MUST cite your sources!!!!!!!

And the only hand shakes used by Masons, or sign or what ever is "hi" .. ya know.. nice to meet you.

And I have never given our grip to a non-mason.. in fact, its almost always done semi jokingly after I confirm someone is a Mason.

Rings are always more helpful, though I am pretty good at judging if someone is a Mason or not just by looking at them.

The rest of that information you so kindly contributed is rubbish.





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