Originally posted by bsbray11
No one actually has the same physical neural patterns even for the same stimulus.
Now this is not true in any sense, you're just making this up for an argument, because it has not been scientifically verified, but I'll play along
anyway. -- I'll mold the following sentences around the notion that I have disregarded that what you just said is not proven science. -- Although we
all have neural patterns and neural stimulations, they differ from person to person, and that difference is how it's the same for all of us. We're
all "unique" as you're saying here, which makes us all the same thing, that which is different. I can agree to that, though it is not a scientific
proof and it is but a logical conveyence.
On another note, I hope you did not miss the point that I was making previously. Every element in the universe is the same for all of us, regardless
of how our neurological patterns react to it. Scientifically if we study a rock together, that rock will be the same for both of us.
If we are both exposed to fire or extreme heat for a prolonged elation of time, our raw skin will react in the exact same way - it will burn. Why is
this? Because elements interact with elements on atomic levels, electromagnetic levels, chemical levels, etc. The universe interacts with itself
consistently. Water will never do anything that it can not do while it is water. Water will not catch on fire without the assistance of another
substance, that is an eternal fact of science and the universe. It will evaporate, transelementally metamorph and intermolecularly dispart.
What we feel inside of our heads because of this burning is an emotional reaction, unless you are going to claim that you feel no pain from being
burnt alive, then here is at least one scenerio where some people's stimuli and neurological patterns will behave congruently.
Now if you do indeed make the claim that you can feel none or close to no pain while being burnt alive it is not because the fire is not actually
burning you, it is because the receptor for pain in your brain has been turned off manually by yourself. There are monks that can do this, obviously
in this case the two scenerios differ, but there are multiple people that can experience the same feelings and process
In any case, in both scenerios, the people being burnt alive will die. That's a planetary and anatomical fact.
Two people can sit next to each other and burn and die screaming.
Two people can sit next to each other and one burns and screams and the other meditates to death.
Two people can sit next to each other and both meditate to death while burnt alive.
I can be allergic to salt and you're not, regardless of our reactions to the substance, it's the same substance for both of us and always will be,
in fact it's the same substance universally for every entity capable of scientifically understanding it in a such a way, and even for those that
don't understand it! The only reason I am allergic to it is because of the way that it interacts with my genetics, it will react to that set of
genetics the same throughout the universe. All reactions to an equation in a given set of properties are eternally parallel.
For example: E=MC2... the increase and decrease of mass in this equation will change the amount of energy.
Our equation in this aspect being the eternal universe. All things will react to their laws accordingly. In my hypothesis: I will be allergic to salt,
and you're not, because of chemical reaction. The same would go for you if your anatomical parts were aggregated in a way that caused your body to
chemically react to salt.
Say that I am so allergic to salt that it kills me if I eat it. Just like the monks, regardless of what I cause myself to feel, I will still die
because of the chemical reactions.
Scientific "facts" are just convenient models that fit the evidence we currently have.
No, the facts are facts, the models are models. You have it backwards. Scientific models are just convenient little guess works that fit the factual
evidence that we have currently accumulated.
They have always changed over time as we refine our views. I contend we can refine to infinity.
I oppose your contending statement. The facts of universal science have never changed, they have always been the same and always will be, it is the
Human error in receiving and analyzing those facts that has changed and that will continue to change until the perfectly static physicality of it is
understood. Infinity is static. The universe IS infinite just as its energy proposes, and in knowing such the universe reveals to us that it is
already refined to infinity, and that infinity is static. Nothing changes about it.
The change that we perceive is the movement of its matter, but this movement follows static laws. These laws and principals of the universe are
unchanging and the change/motion/time that occurs is because of them and abides to them and furthermore actually is them in action with their
We are only remembering and discovering the ways of the universe that always have been objectively factual, we aren't creating them, they are there
for us to learn and always have been... set in stone.
Reality isn't the illusion, reality is all around you. The illusion is what the Human species on the planet Earth has so far portrayed existence
[edit on 11-5-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]