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Queen Elizabeth II. Top Mason?

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posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 07:20 AM
I was looking at a Masonic website, and I found this.

The United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) was formed in 1717, and all regular Masonry today derives from this "Mother" Grand Lodge.

Here is a picture of their emblem.

Do you see Pan's image there?

So, I wanted to see who heads up the UGLE "Mother" Lodge

According to the "mother lodge" site itself

"In 1442 King Henry VI developed several questions for Masons regarding the mysteries of their reception and the object of their studies. Satisfied with their answers, he was admitted to the Fraternity, protected it, constituted old charters concerning its privileges, and approved them, in the opinion of his council.
"The fraternity continued to flourish in the next reigns; and in the reign of Elizabeth, about 1550, Sir Thos. Sackville, then Grand Master, assembled the general lodge at York, which is said to have roused the jealousy of the queen; and she intended to break up the meeting, but being informed that they did not meddle with politics, she withdrew her orders, and permitted them to meet unmolested."

"The following circumstance is recorded of Elizabeth: Hearing that the masons were in possession of secrets which they would not reveal, and being jealous of all secret assemblies, she sent an armed force to York, with intent to break up their annual grand lodge. This design, however, was happily frustrated by the interposition of Sir Thomas Sackville; who took care to initiate some of the chief officers which she had sent on this duty. They joined in communication with the masons, and made so favourable a report to the queen on their return, that she countermanded her orders, and never afterwards attempted to disturb the meetings of the fraternity."

So, originally, Queen Elizabeth I was against the "Grand Lodge" and the men she sent were duped into joining "the craft", and therefore giving false, but favorable reports back to the Queen.

Can we begin to see how "the craft" works?

300 years after the naming of The Grand Lodge of All England, at York; the Assembly of Masons meets in Mason's Loft, York Minster, the cradle of Freemasonry, and reclaims Ancient York Masonry to its rightful custodians.
We all know that Queen Elizabeth II is head of the Committee of 300

Of course, the "grand lodge mother of the world" site does not tell us who the grand master is. So we have to go looking at other sites.

The first three degrees of Freemasonry, the Blue Degrees, are common to both
the York Rite and the Scot-tish Rite. These degrees, which are collectively
referred to
as the Blue Lodge, originated in what is now the United Grand Lodge of
England, which is acknowledged by advanced Masons worldwide as the Mother
Lodge of all Freemasonry.[113] Although few seem to be aware of it, the
British monarch, who may serve personally as the grand master of this lodge
before his coronation as king, installs its grand master, and is, like the
Prince of Wales (see below), over Freemasonry worldwide.[114] We should not be
surprised, then, by Elizabeth II's direct oversight of various masonic
institutions and activities.

But this still doesn't definitively answer my question. Is Queen Elizabeth the Top Mason, or what they refer to as "The See" which is represented by the eye at the top of the pyramid, which is reported by the Masons to represent God, or the Grand Architect of the Universe.

I may not be able to prove that the Queen is the Head of Masonry, however, I can come close.

First, we have established that the founding fathers, many of them masons, including George Washington, our first President, were loyal to British Royalty.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 07:31 AM
I only thought that men could be part of Freemasonary.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 07:34 AM
King George III was king of England during the Revolutionary war in the US.

King George III was NOT a mason, although his father was, and Washington and Robert Morris and Benjamin Franklin and others were all loyal to the late King George II.

After all, they named the city where Washington put the Stock Market in "New" York.

The Stock Market is just like it sounds. Trading stock. We are stock, like cattle. Each person getting their CERTIFICATE at birth. That is why your name is in ALL CAPITAL letters. Because you are owned by a Corporation, ie, the United States.

Also, during George (named after the King) Washington's presidency, the National Banking Act was signed into law. And take note, that Washington became famous for fighting against the people who were fighting against taxes on their whiskey. So Washington, and his brethren, were for taxes, which is why the constitution never outlawed them.

Now, in the "Grand Lodge" insignia, you will see a banner that says
"holiness to the Lord"

Not God, but "the Lord"

Who is the Lord of Man?

The son of Thomas Stanley, 2nd Earl of Derby, did not take the style 'King', and he and his successors were generally known instead as 'Lord of Mann'.[7] However, the Latin style Rex Manniae et Insularum (King of Mann and the Isles) continued to be occasionally used in official documents until at least the 17th century.

In 1765 the title was revested in the Crown of the United Kingdom, thus today the title 'Lord of Mann' is used by Queen Elizabeth II.

Now the Isle of Mann is spelled with two n's. But if you look at the Royal website, you will see the Queen referred to as "Lord of Man" spelled with
one n. This is not by accident.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 07:45 AM
So further research reveals.

Order of the Garter is the core of the Committee Of 300 (aka Olympians). Queen Elizabeth II is the leader of this organization.

Its members include most if not all of the royal British family along with, many peers of the realm including Lord Rothschild, as well as other European nobility, and a slew of other wealthy individuals scattered across Europe and America.

These elite own businesses on every level, especially the oil and banking industry. George Bush is a recent member who was knighted by the Queen on December 20, 1993, as a Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honorable Order of the Bath.

This was for his leadership in the Gulf War, when he sent American solders to die for England's interest of their petroleum in Kuwait. General Colin Powell and General Norman Schwarzkopf were given also lower order of knighthoods. Lord Peter Carrington, who is a member of the satanic Order of Osiris and other demonic groups is a member of the Order of the Garter.

In 1987, Elizabeth II amended the statutes of the Order of the Garter to permit the admission of Ladies Companions, "... to do away with sex discrimination." The Order had been established in the 1340s; membership was limited to only certain males: twenty-four knights, the king, and his eldest son. The statutes did not give women an official place in the Order, but from its inception they appear to have had an associate role and to have participated in its ceremonies. Richard II encouraged participation of women in the Order; Henry VII was the last monarch to include women; thereafter, Henry VIII allowed the custom to fall into abeyance. When Elizabeth II assumed the throne, a power vacuum was created by the incapacity of her largely female Privy Chamber.

In order to amend a statute in the "Order of the Garter", one must be the Head of the Order of the Garter, so therefore we can establish how a woman could be the Top Mason.

[edit on 29-4-2008 by cutbothways]

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 08:01 AM

Originally posted by anti us gov
I only thought that men could be part of Freemasonary.

You are correct. The Queen is not, of course, a Freemason.

The "See" does not refer to the All Seeing Eye. "See" is a technical title of leadership, and refers to the Grand Master, the highest ranking Masonic official, or, as the OP puts it, the "Top Mason".

The OP's suggestion that George Washington was "loyal" to the British throne is beyond absurd.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 08:01 AM

Originally posted by cutbothwaysSo, originally, Queen Elizabeth I was against the "Grand Lodge" and the men she sent were duped into joining "the craft", and therefore giving false, but favorable reports back to the Queen.
Where, from ANY of that, do you get that their reports were false? Favorable, perhaps, but there's nothing in the bits you quoted that indicate any duplicity on the part of her agents. They joined. They saw what the fuss was about. They told her there was nothing to worry about. That's what you've quoted, and nothing more.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 08:19 AM
Have you ever heard of the Cheney Code?

Like The Da Vinci Code, The Dick Cheney Code begins with a murder. Hemmings Dumont, descendant of President Thomas Jefferson and slave Sally Hemmings, is shot with a poisoned dart inside the Smithsonian Museum, where he is a curator.

Dumont guards a secret passed down through generations: 18th-century parchments proving that George Washington signed a pact with the devil to win the Revolutionary War, that several of the founding fathers were gay and that the title to the Louisiana Purchase passed to the descendants of all American slaves in October 2003.
But, as Cheney tells his clandestine cabal of David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Queen Elizabeth, Alan Greenspan and Rupert Murdoch, if the secret Dumont was guarding is discovered, 119 electoral votes become the property of the country's black population, and "if we lose any of those electoral votes, we're toast."
Considering that advance copies of Beard's book were available before Fahrenheit 9/11 hit the theaters and prior to the announcement that the Bush administration might have to suspend the election because of the threat of terrorist attacks, Beard's political satire is even more prescient - if you're a Democrat.

If you're a Republican, The Dick Cheney Code is simply another hackneyed, Bush-bashing book, albeit one with a clever premise.

It's a parody, but it's interesting how prophetic even a parody can be sometimes.

OK, back to facts.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 08:49 AM
This source should put some punch in the debate.

The UK public don't have Members of Parliament. Only Queen Elizabeth II has
them. Once elected into office, Members of Parliament are required to swear
their Oath of Allegiance only to the Patron Head of the Secret Society of
Freemasons, Queen Elizabeth II, but not to the UK public who elect MP's and
then pay their wages. This is probably one of the reasons that questions are
never asked in Parliament about the UK Monarch and her part in the massive
Judicial Oath fraud.

By the way, a woman can be a freemason, according to this Masonic website.

Queen Elizabeth is credited with being the only woman initiated into the Order of Buffaloes.


posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 10:46 AM

Originally posted by cutbothways
By the way, a woman can be a freemason, according to this Masonic website.

Queen Elizabeth is credited with being the only woman initiated into the Order of Buffaloes.


I guest Fred Flintstone was Ok with her Joining:

I sorry but the RAOBGLE is not part of Freemasonry.
There are how ever several groups who call themselves freemasons that do allow women to join, but agian just about any body can claim to be a freemason. There no copyright on the words Mason, freemason or freemaonry.

[edit on 29-4-2008 by lost in the midwest]

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by anti us gov
I only thought that men could be part of Freemasonary.

You are correct. The Queen is not, of course, a Freemason.

The OP's suggestion that George Washington was "loyal" to the British throne is beyond absurd.

The OP is correct, the Queen is the Queen Bee. That is one reason in Masonic symbology you'll often see a hive with bees buzzing around. The Fleur de Lie symbol is a modified bee. That's why we're WASPS. Good Army boys are told to "Bee all you can Bee." Francis Bacon... ahem I mean William Shakespeare said "To Bee or not to Bee, that is the question." The transhumanists call our collective consciousness “the hive mind.” When something becomes popular, the masses get excited and the Bees want to know what the Buzz iz about. It was Buzz Aldrin, the 33rd degree Mason who supposedly went to the Moon. Buzz Lightyear is the spaceman doll from Toy Story. The Bee-tles were the Tavistock "British Invasion" singing Let it Bee. You've also got groups like “The Hives” and the “Bee Gees." B-Movies, the new Bee Movie. I heard Alan Watt saying something like originally English was like I Be, You Be, He Be etc. instead of conjugating To Bee, so that we're always reaffirming our WASP/Bee status.

The word "Behave" comes from "Beehive" and that's what these Mason/agents on here are making sure we behave. Of course the Queen's not a Mason, says resident agent Masonic Light. Of course, he says, Washington (A Mason of British aristocratic lineage) wasn't loyal to the British throne. That is beyond absurd, he says.

The truth is ALL 43 U.S. presidents have carried European royal bloodlines into office 34 have been genetic descendants from just one person, Charlemagne, the brutal eighth century King of the Franks. 19 of them directly descended from King Edward III of England. In fact, the presidential candidate with the most royal genes has won every single American election.

“This information comes from Burke's Peerage, which is the Bible of aristocratic genealogy, based in London. Every presidential election in America, since and including George Washington in 1789 to Bill Clinton, has been won by the candidate with the most British and French royal genes. Of the 42 presidents to Clinton, 33 have been related to two people: Alfred the Great, King of England, and Charlemagne, the most famous monarch of France. So it goes on: 19 of them are related to England's Edward III, who has 2000 blood connections to Prince Charles. The same goes with the banking families in America. George Bush and Barbara Bush are from the same bloodline - the Pierce bloodline, which changed its name from Percy, when it crossed the Atlantic. Percy is one of the aristocratic families of Britain, to this day. They were involved in the Gunpowder Plot to blow up Parliament at the time of Guy Fawkes” -Researcher/Author David Icke, “Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center”

If America declared its Independence from the European monarchies in 1776, how is it possible that every single president has descended from European monarchs? If presidents are democratically elected as we are told, what are the odds that we would always choose members of British and French royal bloodlines to lead us?

“The Americas have always been owned and governed by the same royal families of Britain and Europe that conventional history states as being among those defeated during the wars of so-called ‘Independence.’” -Michael Tsarion, “Astrotheology and Sidereal Mythology”

“If it really is the Land of the Free and if, as is claimed, anyone really can become the president, you would fairly expect that the 43 presidents from George Washington to George W. Bush would express that genetic diversity. You're having a laugh. The presidents of the United States are as much a royal dynasty as anything in Europe, from whence their bloodlines came.” -David Icke, “Tales from the Time Loop”

Researchers like David Icke, Michael Tsarion, and Fritz Springmeier, along with foundations like the New England Historical Genealogy Society, Burkes Peerage, the Roman Piso Homepage, and other reliable genealogical sources have documented these royal presidential bloodlines. Actually, by branching out far enough on the presidential family tree, the dedicated researcher will find that all 43 presidents share kinship, belonging to the same general ancestry, often called the 13th Illuminati bloodline, the Merovingian line, and/or the Windsor-Bush bloodline.

“If you go deeply enough into the genealogical research you will find that ALL the presidents are from this line …A spokesman for Burkes Peerage, the bible of royal and aristocratic genealogy based in London, has said that every presidential election since and including George Washington in 1789 has been won by the candidate with the most royal genes. Now we can see how and why. United States presidents are not chosen by ballot, they are chosen by blood!” -David Icke, “The Windsor-Bush Bloodline”

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 12:14 PM
reply to post by cutbothways

I'm so glad you're exposing her. She has never been loved by her slaves & peons: the oppressed people of the European fiat-union, Russia, Canada, Malaysia, Singaporeans, East Indians, Australians, and ect. Elizabeth II (a.k.a. whatever her real GERMAN name is) & her wicked supporters must be removed.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 01:03 PM
reply to post by cutbothways

Well I see a few giant holes ..

For starters, governing bodies have been suspicious throughout Masonic history. The does not and never has meant they where in the Craft, it means the complete opposite. Why was the Queen jelous of Masonry? Because she couldn't get in. So she had spies innitiated.

Second, Mother Lodge is common English langauge. We tend to put female gender to many things from cars, boats, countries, places of importance -- like lodges.

The next big hole. Masonic leaders have gone to war in the past, but to think that we declared independance from England because George the Third was not a Mason is just stupid. The Mexican American war had Masons on both sides for instance.

The Next big hole is that New York is not called New York because of where the Grand Lodge was. It was named after York, a fairly important city in England.

The next big hole is that while New York is the supposed most important Stock Exchange in the country, it is by no means the only exchange? For instance, Chicago has a very important exchange as well.. And you relation to Stocks and cattle / humans is... absurd.

Next big hole. The Grand Lodge of Louisiana does not say "holiness in the lord of man" just.. Lord. Which is a reference to God. To say otherwise is a guessimation and illogical. Also the Queen of England can be called Lord of Man because the English hold the right to mis-spell and poorly anglicize Gaelic words.. Mann, Man, Manx, they don't care. Just look at my poor Ireland and all the horrible anglicization that has gone on for centuries.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 02:31 PM
reply to post by gaeliclad

Sooo, what your saying is, Queen Elizabeth is not the head Freemason?

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 02:45 PM
Ya. That's about what I am saying.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 02:52 PM
reply to post by gaeliclad

Please, share your inside information.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 02:55 PM

Originally posted by cutbothways

Please, share your inside information.


You're the one claiming "inside information", that a non-Mason (woman) is the "head of Freemasonry".

The real head of Freemasonry in every Masonic jurisdiction is an elected officer called a Grand Master. He is the chief Masonic official in his jurisdiction, and is the presiding officer of his Grand Lodge.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 03:05 PM
If there was proof, then there would be no conspiracy, and we could hang the Queen and her son for satanic murders, and the murder of Diana.

Until then, what I have dug up should be sufficient for anyone who's mind hasn't been closed by the Lodge.

Yes, I am a "freethinker"

Masons hate that. Uncontrollable. Masons need control.

That's why they don't allow women (except for the Queen)

Next I suppose your going to tell me she is not the Head
of the Knights of Malta either.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 03:16 PM
Well sir I don't have "inside" information to Masonry as I am not a Mason, however, neither do you. Perhaps I am better at seeing things for what they are, and you not so much?

And just because your "the opposite" of the argument does not mean your a "free thinker" and Masons are not. In my eyes your mind is just as closed as anyone elses you just believe your opinion based on speculation and hate to be infallible. To my knowledge there is no "head" of Freemasonry.

And Masonic Light, in Ireland Masons are called "ancient" are they still under the UGLE?

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 03:25 PM

Originally posted by AnonymousHippo
reply to post by cutbothways

I'm so glad you're exposing her. She has never been loved by her slaves & peons: the oppressed people of the European fiat-union, Russia, Canada, Malaysia, Singaporeans, East Indians, Australians, and ect. Elizabeth II (a.k.a. whatever her real GERMAN name is) & her wicked supporters must be removed.

Glad you brought that up.

In Council on 9 April 1952, after her accession, Queen Elizabeth II officially declared her “Will and Pleasure that I and My children shall be styled and known as the House and Family of Windsor, and that my descendants who marry and their descendants, shall bear the name of Windsor.”[1] This is in contrast with the usual practice in which her children would be of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg through their father, born Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark, a line of the House of Oldenburg.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 04:33 PM
So, here I show that Mason are Loyal to the King (or Queen) and since all Freemason are loyal to the "Mother Lodge" who toasts to the Queen, I would suggest she is the boss.

On the death of King George VI and the accession of our present monarch, Queen Elizabeth II, in 1952, however, some confusion arose over the form of the Toast. The Board of General Purposes made the position quite clear in its report of 19th February, 1952, adopted at the Quarterly Communication of Grand Lodge on 5th March 1952. The relevant item read as follows:-
"The Loyal Toast"
As there appears to be considerable doubt in the minds of Brethren regarding this matter, the Board wishes to make it clear that, in countries where the loyal toast of the Queen is honoured, the first Masonic toast should be "The Queen and the Craft". This should be followed with Masonic 'fire", where such is given". Thus, the question was settled conclusively, and, we trust, for all time for Lodges under the English Constitution. Nevertheless, in some Lodges and in some jurisdictions in countries of the Commonwealth the first toast is to "The Queen", followed by the singing of God Save the Queen. The second toast is to the Grand master.

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